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Posted: 2/19/2006 6:55:11 PM EDT
will the .223 take down a 500 pound boar. that is what i will be purchasing one for.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:58:18 PM EDT
Shoot it right bwtn the eyes and it'll work............
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:15:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 14FEVR:
Shoot it right bwtn the eyes and it'll work............



And if that doesn't do it, I'm sure one of the other 29 rounds will take him down. We have LARGE boar here too, I should look into hunting

Gene
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:17:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 7:18:59 PM EDT by SelectFire]
You need a weapon named for a boar to kill a boar.

The Vepr.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:20:26 PM EDT
shot placement--several folks here have had success w/ 5.56 55gr FMJs and other loads

h/w, i too would feel a heck of a lot better w/ a larger caliber--.308 semi auto min

500lbs of animal is tough to take down--tougher than 200lb humans or deer
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:34:53 PM EDT
It's been done by people on this board, but I wouldn't recommend it--particularly if you haven't done a ton of hog hunting. I'd say get an AR10, FAL, etc. (as others have said).
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:36:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 7:36:48 PM EDT by General_Tso]
Oups. Double tap.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:39:07 PM EDT
Use a heavier bullet - 69gr, instead of the 55gr. Faster twist rate will help too (1:7)

+1 on shot placement.

I'd recommend using match ammo over MilSup. select a bullet with slower expansion characterists.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:48:43 PM EDT
Hunted pigs in Ga. with a bow and 45 for back-up. One of the 3rd ID guys I hunted with used a Ruger mini 14. Ammo was blue box Black Hills 52 gr. Hollow pts. He killed alot of pigs. If he shot four times fast everybody moved his way. He would ground hunt and stalk pigs! 5.56 will work. Shot placement is key. You most control any fear. If you have a hog charge you, thats when shot placement saves your butt. I say carry a back-up! Some crazzies use a spear to hunt hogs.
Good luck!
ATB,
Chalmers
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:52:27 PM EDT
Head shot, behind the ear or between the eyes. Dear Right There (DRT) No questions asked. The .223/5.56 does the job.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:12:39 PM EDT
I have killed a lot of hogs with my ar's. First, stalking or from a blind take a good well placed shot between the eye and ear. I don't recomend shooting quickly at running pigs. They will eventually die but not very humane. They don't tend to bleed much so you will probably loose them. I live in the Texas panhandle and have killed a mountain of pigs but have yet to see one over 300ish. If you have been seeing a pig that big I would get a more appropriate gun and don't forget to take a picture. Good luck.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:17:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 8:18:55 PM EDT by Carry-A-Big-Stick]
You should look into a 50 beowulf AR15. 400GR. If that doesn't take one out then nothing will.
Here is a link to one site that sells them 50beowulf.com
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:28:10 PM EDT
This topic has had the living hell kicked out of it.

There will ALWAYS be people that say "Shot placement is all you need.." Well, you can kill an elephant with a .22 short if you hit it right. Just because you CAN...doesn't mean it's a good idea. No disrespect intended, especially to ARKittyKat which is a guy here that has killed many hogs with an AR by careful shot placement.

However, there will ALWAYS be people (like me) that say "Pick the appropriate caliber for the specific game."

It is responsible hunting IMHO as a lifelong hunter.

I've killed 18 hogs and can tell you first hand that they're tough bastards. I've used 308, 30-06, 300 WinMag, 7.62x39 and 12 ga. slug for these shots. Anything less, and you're NOT taking enough gun....again IMHO.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:37:50 PM EDT
Check out johnnyphaze's pic of the one on the front end loader. I'm assuming that one was taken with an AR.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:38:54 PM EDT
Just be carful. Whatever. There is a guy on here who has taken HUGE ones with his ar15. he has never had problems. though if i remember he shot one 8 times or something.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:16:31 PM EDT
use 75gr TAP....no issue
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 4:08:45 AM EDT
My 325lb plus Russian boar fell to a Colt Sporter Match HBAR with a 1/7 twist 20in barrel and at the time a Leupold VX-III 1.5 X 5 scope and 64gr Winchester Power Point ammo. First shot was just below the eye......Second shot was up hill in the roof of the mouth exiting out behind the ear. Shot placement is everything and keep them below 125 yards IMHO. Good Luck......Trapfan.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:16:44 AM EDT
I would not hunt pigs with anything smaller than a 6.5 mm, and only with the heaviest bullets available in each caliber.

160 grs in 6.5 mm

175 gr in 7 mm

200 or 220 gr in .308"

250 gr in .338"

225 gr in .358"

285 gr in 9.3 mm

275 gr in .375" (not the heaviest, but it will flatten a pig)

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:36:53 AM EDT
I use a varmint ar when I'm in the stand and something a little bigger when on the ground looking for em...I like my .270 for this/.45 backup. Haven't lost a hog yet.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:51:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 8:52:11 AM EDT by El_Blasto]
First of all, I thought it was illegal to hunt large game with such an under powered round. Please dont try to hunt a large adult boar with any .22 caliber weapon! I say this only for your own good.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:00:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:16:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 12:26:27 PM EDT by superde]
Is that the 16? 2 have fallen to my Sendra so far. This one, as it was charging, took most of a 40 round mag (as well as a couple .223's from one buddy's AR and a couple 30 caliber rounds from another friends 30-30) as it collapsed about 15 yards in front of me.

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:25:52 AM EDT
A fella in TX said shoot them in the EAR hole, even if its an arrow or a .22 it will bring them down. I don't see why a well placed bullet to the head won't bring one down. Hell you don't eat the head anyway.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:29:59 AM EDT
Guy on the outdoor channel (Ted Barta i believe) killed one with only a knife. Dogs kinda of held the pig up while he stabbed it. Was interesting.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:35:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:39:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 10:03:49 AM EDT
with 30rds magazine,,i bet u can even kill elephant....
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 10:09:57 AM EDT
AR15kittykat has taken down a 700lb bore with winchester q1313a. Johnnyphaze's post in that link shows the 700lb monster.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 10:19:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 10:28:04 AM EDT
I say yes.

I am new to AR's, but a lifer when it comes to hunting, and rifles in general.

a 223 bullet 55 grain or better, will by all means do the job. Period. - Shot placement is kind of a duh.. here... Of course as a couple have said, I think even worse case-scenerio, if shot placement isn't right on the first time... 29 more chances and you'll be fine.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 12:29:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:

Originally Posted By superde:
Is that the 16? 2 have fallen to my Sendra so far. This one took most of a 40 round mag (as well as a couple .223's from one buddy's AR and a couple 30 caliber rounds from another friends 30-30) as it collapsed about 15 yards in front of me.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/superde/pig2.jpg



That is the Semi-lower. Looks identical of course. that boar (pictured) was taken wit ha single 147 grain subsonic in the chest. DRT.

TRG



That is some good shooting. I have seen them shot many times with 9mm before they went down. Of course they were being shot in the side from about 5 yards while going 35 mph through a hay pasture out the window of a truck LOL.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 12:44:49 PM EDT
Hows bout' a .44mag lever action??
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 1:44:39 PM EDT
Just bought a .450 marlin guide gun for my hog hunting. They tend to get pretty big in the sugarland area. I have taken a few with 75 grain tap ammo. The bigger ones take a little more to go down. Shot placement is a must!!!
I don't think we even make a dent in the hog population in Texas. They multiply faster then we can kill the bastards
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:04:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By superde:
Is that the 16? 2 have fallen to my Sendra so far. This one, as it was charging, took most of a 40 round mag (as well as a couple .223's from one buddy's AR and a couple 30 caliber rounds from another friends 30-30) as it collapsed about 15 yards in front of me.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/superde/pig2.jpg


Real fucking ethical.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:12:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By superde:
Is that the 16? 2 have fallen to my Sendra so far. This one, as it was charging, took most of a 40 round mag (as well as a couple .223's from one buddy's AR and a couple 30 caliber rounds from another friends 30-30) as it collapsed about 15 yards in front of me.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/superde/pig2.jpg


Real fucking ethical.



Yeah...This is a real shame.

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:13:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 2:41:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By superde:
Is that the 16? 2 have fallen to my Sendra so far. This one, as it was charging, took most of a 40 round mag (as well as a couple .223's from one buddy's AR and a couple 30 caliber rounds from another friends 30-30) as it collapsed about 15 yards in front of me.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/superde/pig2.jpg


Real fucking ethical.



I am always amazed at people's ability to throw stones at anyone's method of hunting.

...

When you can tell me that you have never killed ANY creature in a less than 'ethical' manner, then we can talk about what I do.

TRG



+1 TRG, but I now try shying away from topics like this that cause heated replies... Just trying to avoid headaches
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 3:02:25 PM EDT
If it takes you 30+ rounds to drop a boar then at what point do you not figure you do not have enough gun to do the job?

Hunting? No. You are simply killing. The law says you are within its bounds, but this is not the kind of board that will stand up and say 'thats not right'. They'll just make some comment about the AR-15 being the do all, end all of hunting.

For coyotes, prarie dogs and animals up to about 100 lbs I would say no doubt the .223 is a quick, clean kill (unless you cannot even do that right).

Anything over 100lbs a .30 cal rifle should be used.

But again, this is not that kind of board.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 3:11:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 3:13:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 3:17:22 PM EDT by WyattT]
i agree with pfarber. i hunt hogs for at least half of the summer in the Uvalde area with my best friend. we have about 250 hogs under our belt. we have used ar-15s in the past but they are not terminally effevtive, escpecially with light weight low penetration ammo like TAP. yes you can kill hogs with it, the small ones pretty well but all you have to do is read some of the fackler articles and box 0 truth information to come to the conclusion that large heavy bullets are really good for killing people, therefore large heavy bullets aer most likley even better/more essential for killing tougher creatures. unless you are hunting exclusively from a stand and are 300yd moa accurate, get a bigger gun. if you choose to use such a inadequate gun, keep your distance and shoot at the ear hole.
-Wyatt

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 3:47:03 PM EDT
Something that hasn't been addressed. Depending on your range, don't forget the height of your sights above bore. If you are trying for a precision shot at close range, you will need to aim a bit high to account for it. Hate to hear you got gored because you shot too low.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 3:57:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 5:07:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pfarber:
If it takes you 30+ rounds to drop a boar then at what point do you not figure you do not have enough gun to do the job?

Hunting? No. You are simply killing. The law says you are within its bounds, but this is not the kind of board that will stand up and say 'thats not right'. They'll just make some comment about the AR-15 being the do all, end all of hunting.

For coyotes, prarie dogs and animals up to about 100 lbs I would say no doubt the .223 is a quick, clean kill (unless you cannot even do that right).

Anything over 100lbs a .30 cal rifle should be used.

But again, this is not that kind of board.





I am a rancher with over 2,000 acres of land in our family. We kill wild hogs any chance we get. They have been reeking havoc on our coastal hay meadows. I've killed hogs with .50 BMG, 45-70 govt, .300 Ultra Mag, .300 Win mag, .308 and .223. I will tell you honestly that I kill them and usually leave them for the local scavengers to clean them up (usually takes 1-2 days to completely dissapear). Hogs are a non game animal in Texas, because they are multiplying at a much faster rate than anyone can shoot them, and all the farm and ranchland that they tear up. I am not saying that a M-16 is the right tool for the job, but it sure breaks up the monotony FWIW.

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 5:16:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pfarber:
If it takes you 30+ rounds to drop a boar then at what point do you not figure you do not have enough gun to do the job?

Hunting? No. You are simply killing. The law says you are within its bounds, but this is not the kind of board that will stand up and say 'thats not right'. They'll just make some comment about the AR-15 being the do all, end all of hunting.

For coyotes, prarie dogs and animals up to about 100 lbs I would say no doubt the .223 is a quick, clean kill (unless you cannot even do that right).

Anything over 100lbs a .30 cal rifle should be used.

But again, this is not that kind of board.



don't know too many grown men that are less then 100 lbs. Maybe the US military isn't using enough gun.

also, hogs need killing. they are becoming more of an issue than Texas Fireants.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 7:30:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By pfarber:
Anything over 100lbs a .30 cal rifle should be used. [ quote]

So I guess the ten's of thousands of hunters using 243, 257, 6.5, 270, 7mm yada yada yada are all idiots ?????

I do agree that 223 isn't really enough for hogs and deer in all situations. That's why I bought a 6.8 upper. Loaded with Barnes TSX bullets it should do the biz up to app 250 lbs. Lots more energy out past 200 yds

The remington site has a neat cartridge comparison tool.

rj
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 7:50:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:43:55 AM EDT


don't know too many grown men that are less then 100 lbs. Maybe the US military isn't using enough gun.

also, hogs need killing. they are becoming more of an issue than Texas Fireants.



And into the 'ar-15 is the most uber weapon ever' crapper we go!
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:52:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:30:52 PM EDT
THANKS FOR ALL THE INPUT I BOUGHT A SAIGA .308 TODAY AND WILL GET AN AR-15 LATER FOR VARMENTS. FROM WHAT IVE GATHERED HERE THE .308 WILL DO THE TRICK
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:59:44 PM EDT
Good for you. Sometimes all the arguing and BS do have a postive outcome!
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 5:12:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gbolt903:
THANKS FOR ALL THE INPUT I BOUGHT A SAIGA .308 TODAY AND WILL GET AN AR-15 LATER FOR VARMENTS. FROM WHAT IVE GATHERED HERE THE .308 WILL DO THE TRICK



Good choice. have fun!
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