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Posted: 1/3/2006 1:51:03 PM EDT
never know until you ask.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:33:02 PM EDT
Maybe.

There are several '9mm' calibers out there:

9mm short, 9x19, 9x21, ect

Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:46:04 PM EDT
9MM NATO is equivalent to 9x19mm, 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum and probably some others.

The important detail is that the case is 19mm long, as compared to other "9mm" rounds like 9mm Kurz (or short) which is really .380 auto, 9mm Makarov (9x18mm), and 9mm Largo (9x21mm?).
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:05:45 PM EDT
What about NATO pressures vs "standard" pressures - any difference?
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 6:16:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wolfgang12:
What about NATO pressures vs "standard" pressures - any difference?



Yes. Nato loading is like a +p, or from what I'm told a +p plus a little but not enough to be a +p+.

In a nutshell, it's hotter than standard saami 9mm. But I believe most modern pistols can handle it. I could be wrong about that. It's always good to check with the manufacture of your pistol or carbine or whateve you're shooting.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 6:22:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wolfgang12:
What about NATO pressures vs "standard" pressures - any difference?



9mm NATO is generally loaded to higher pressures than domestic 9mm. When Walther first started importing their P-99's some of them would not cycle domestic 9mm because of this.

Link Posted: 1/3/2006 11:45:36 PM EDT
9mm NATO is also 124 grain
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 11:58:41 PM EDT
dpmmn, I'll trade you some Russian 9x39mm for some of your Trophy Bonded Bearclaw...
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:12:29 AM EDT
9mm nato (from ammoman) is a lot closer to major in IPSC scoring than it is to minor. HK usp never had a problem with it.

Major pf= 165 (bw*vel/1000)
minor pf = 125 (bw * vel/1000)

I was getting over a 155 power facotr w/ the nato loading.

regular american egale red box ie 115 gr 9mm is a close second.

rem cheap ammo is a weaker than cci blazer and blazer is less than federal.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 10:04:13 AM EDT
M982 ball or M882 ball?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:44:33 PM EDT
9mm NATO is loaded to higher pressures than SAAMI spec 9mm, and is 124 gr. FMJ. Kind of think of it as the difference between 5.56 and .223.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:10:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bushwacker85:
9mm NATO is loaded to higher pressures than SAAMI spec 9mm, and is 124 gr. FMJ. Kind of think of it as the difference between 5.56 and .223.



I believe 5.56 and .223 have other differences as well though - differences that matter to the specs of the chamber. In the case of 9mm, AFAIK, all the dimensions of the rounds and the chambers are the same, it's just a matter of pressure.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:23:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
9mm nato (from ammoman) is a lot closer to major in IPSC scoring than it is to minor. HK usp never had a problem with it.

Major pf= 165 (bw*vel/1000)
minor pf = 125 (bw * vel/1000)

I was getting over a 155 power facotr w/ the nato loading.

regular american egale red box ie 115 gr 9mm is a close second.

rem cheap ammo is a weaker than cci blazer and blazer is less than federal.



Winchester RA9TA (127gr +P+) comes out to 159 pf, and based on data in another nearby thread, Hirtenberger "L7A1" 9mm subgun ammo would be 180 pf. Does this mean you could shoot a 9mm pistol in a major competition if you used that ammo and it chronoed in that range at the competition?
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 4:28:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
9mm nato (from ammoman) is a lot closer to major in IPSC scoring than it is to minor. HK usp never had a problem with it.

Major pf= 165 (bw*vel/1000)
minor pf = 125 (bw * vel/1000)

I was getting over a 155 power facotr w/ the nato loading.




I only got a 135 PF from my Sig 226 using the M882. I never chronoed my Glock though
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 10:13:12 PM EDT
its not +p ammo

Winchester 9MM NATO - Velocity 1185 fps, Energy 387 ft lbs
Winchester USA 9MM – Velocity 1140 fps, Energy 358 ft lbs



Link Posted: 3/27/2006 7:48:09 AM EDT
Here is some actual chronograph data for Federal's NATO M882 along with several other loads for comparison. Testing was done using a SIG Sauer P229 with a 3.8" barrel. An Oehler 35P chronograph was used and muzzle velocities were calculated from instrumental velocities using Oehler's Ballistic Explorer software. All strings of fire consisted of 10 rounds each and were fired under similar environmental conditions.


Load
muzzle velocity



Federal 124 Hydra-Shock
1019 fps


Federal NATO M882
1049 fps


Hornady 124 XTP
1051 fps


Remington 124 JHP
1070 fps


Federal 124 +P+ Hydra-Shock
1117 fps




Link Posted: 3/27/2006 7:57:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AROKIE:
its not +p ammo

Winchester 9MM NATO - Velocity 1185 fps, Energy 387 ft lbs
Winchester USA 9MM – Velocity 1140 fps, Energy 358 ft lbs




YOU KNOW IT!
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 7:58:56 AM EDT
I thought NATO ammunition has a sky blue painted bullet tip...
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 8:21:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 8:22:18 AM EDT by ANIMUS]
Not blue tip. Looks like a standard FMJ.

We are told it's rated at over 1200 fps/124gr out of the M9. The stuff sure feels hotter than standard practice ammo I've shot through my personal 92.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 8:24:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ANIMUS:
Not blue tip. Looks like a standard FMJ.

We are told it's rated at over 1200 fps/124gr out of the M9. The stuff sure feels hotter than standard practice ammo I've shot through my personal 92.



I was kidding!
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