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Posted: 9/25/2011 6:33:50 PM EDT
[#1]
"Marine response"
Because it's not a fucking carry handle. Edited to add [Drill Instructor voice]DO YOU SEE SAMSONITE STAMPED ANYWHERE ON THAT WEAPON?[/Drill Instructor voice] |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 6:34:27 PM EDT
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"Marine response" Because it's not a fucking carry handle. What he said. 
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Posted: 9/25/2011 6:37:53 PM EDT
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The main reason it's their is to raise the sights up. But, in regards to carrying it like that, you can't control the orientation of the business end well by carrying it by the carry handle.
 Carry by the slip ring is a better alternative in that regard.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 6:43:30 PM EDT
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Good question. Too bad Eugene Stoner is dead, that would have been a great question;
"Why did you keep the 'carry handle' on the AR-15 after changing the charging handle? I think the commonly accepted reason is that the extra metal makes for a more robust platform for the rear sight to be mounted on. I'm positive that if you take even a robust BUIS like the DD 1.5 or the LMT standalone rear sight, and then a similar upper with an A4 carry handle, and then proceed to drop the rifle on it's rear sight from various angles, that the carry handle (or especially a fixed A2) will have less zero shift than the standalone. But that's pure, unadulterated spculation. Take it for what it is. The more likely explanation is economics. Colt and FN were maiking various M16-pattern rifles for decades, and then the military demands a flat-top upper. This is before widespread prevalence of quality aftermarket BUIS, especially ones the military approves for use. So, for the provision of a rear sight, mounting of existing optics systems (cantilever and top-mounts), and perhaps retaining the traditional profile of the M16, they make a detachable carry handle. Of course, once standalone BUIS become popular, Colt and FN already have the machines for making the carry handle. And the military pays for the carry handle anyway, so why stop making it? Plus, they make interesting forward grips on A4s. 
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Posted: 9/25/2011 6:47:06 PM EDT
[#5]
Super early AR's actually had a cocking lever in the carry handle. I would love to buy one of these old ones.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 6:53:21 PM EDT
[#6]
This is why actually!
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Posted: 9/25/2011 6:54:12 PM EDT
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In addition to a more robust platform to mount the rear sight, it also makes it possible to add a scope through the hole in the carry handle channel.
True, they should just go with flat top recievers now that picatinny rails are all the rage. |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:08:47 PM EDT
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You guys are awesome, I'm actually learning a thing or two. Haha yes it's not a samsonite! With the ammount of abuse these weapons go through getting dropped and slammed/thrown around I can see the merit in having the extra metal around the sight to make it more durable and thrash-resistant. My unit is actually sending me to Unit Armorer school in 3 weeks, I'm sure i'll learn alot of cool stuff there too.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:09:48 PM EDT
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This is correct. |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:13:14 PM EDT
[#10]
Old charging handle, didnt know that!
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:21:36 PM EDT
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The sights are mounted at that height because the stock is inline with the barrel, and if the sights were mounted low to the receiver like traditionally stocked rifles, there would be no way to look through them. As shown in the post above, the "handle" came from covering the charging handle.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:28:26 PM EDT
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I always thought that original design made a lot of sense. I have never liked the charging handle as it now is located. But as far as carrying the rifle with the carry handle, you have to remember that they're dealing with soldiers, so they know that you have to eliminate bad habits and build good ones through dogma, and it works. If you never get used to carrying it by the handle during training, you won't try it where it could get you hurt. Not being in that situation, I find the carry handle convenient to use sometimes.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:38:29 PM EDT
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I love the carry handle. To me, it's the defining feature of the AR-15/M16 platform. The only time I carry my rifles by them, though is when I'm moving them around the house. As previously stated, the handle was meant to house the trigger type charging handle and elevate the rear sight assembly due to the AR-15's in-line design. You'll be hard-pressed to get your hands to fit between the slot in an A4 handle unless you have extremely small hands, which suggests that Colt had no intentions of the rifle being carried that way when they designed the detachable carry handle.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:56:08 PM EDT
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The biggest 'derp' of the carry handle on a flattop receiver is that the rifles don't even fit in mil rifle racks with the carry handles attached.
I always see hem mounted with the handle mounted one slot back; I guess you're supposed to remember to remove and replace the carry handle correctly ever time it goes in and out of the arms room? Worst case I saw was a guy bought a damn NICE new cmp AR, asked his retired Marine buddy to look it over. Dude made him take the carry handle off, And remount it hanging OFF the receiver. Because apparently that's the "correct" way to mount the carry handle. That was an epic facepalm moment. |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:57:02 PM EDT
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I put a sandwich in my cary handle to fill in that wasted void
Between shots I takea bite of the corner that hasnt been marred up by ejected brass 
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:58:58 PM EDT
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my ar has wheels at the stock end so i can drag it like a Samsonite.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 8:03:23 PM EDT
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my ar has wheels at the stock end so i can drag it like a Samsonite. Are you a midget? |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 8:07:46 PM EDT
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my ar has wheels at the stock end so i can drag it like a Samsonite. You should try to take it onto an airplane as a carry on and let us know what happens.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 8:10:14 PM EDT
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The military flat tops (M4, A4) are all doing away with the carry handle and going to the matech.
The only flat tops that are using the carry handle are the ones with a M203 attached for the quad sight to mount too. With the A2 its still a crap shoot as you are stuck with it until you get A4's. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 8:20:13 PM EDT
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my ar has wheels at the stock end so i can drag it like a Samsonite. You should try to take it onto an airplane as a carry on and let us know what happens. Actually if you have no brass no ammo and have been brass rodded twice its ok... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 8:24:07 PM EDT
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well lookie there.....never knew, learn something everyday!! |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 8:30:47 PM EDT
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There was a post awhile ago somewhere in which a fellow did some receiver flex testing with and without the un-carry handle.
Was quite a bit less flex with it than without apparently. |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 9:42:44 PM EDT
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I doubt any owner hasn't picked up his AR by the conveniently located handle and looking in the mirror or glass patio door realized he looked like a tool, half ground pounder, half business man with a briefcase. Although I read somewhere in the history of the AR that Stoner did in fact intend the AR to be carried by, guess what... the carry handle! I did not know that about the charging devise. Would you happen to know what years they were made? One thing I like about a carry handle is it is the signature look of a black rifle. I do however like an LMT stand alone for better balance. |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 10:29:40 PM EDT
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My gf calls it a "purse handle". Thankfully, none of my rifles have carry handles anymore.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 11:18:18 PM EDT
[#25]
May I be the first to congratulate the OP for passing air assault school and for having the nads to come on ARFCOM and admit that he is a vagina for trying the ultimate bitch-move of using the "carry handle". Why were you not cured of this stupidity in Basic Training? I blame your drill sergeants. They have failed you, and you have failed them AND the army, and ARFCOM.
Go outside and smoke yourself. BWHAHAHAHAHA |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 4:51:24 AM EDT
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Colt still ships brand new M4s with regular fat handguards and carry handles on them in the plain brown boxes most likely cause there has been no modification to the purchase order telling them to stop. Once at unit level the handle goes into a box of other CHs and handguards and MATECH sights and Knights handguards go on the carbine. The cycle keeps repeating this.
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Posted: 9/26/2011 5:40:06 AM EDT
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Quoted:One thing I like about a carry handle is it is the signature look of a black rifle.
Wait... I thought the signature look of the black rifle was 5lbs of crap occupying every inch of rail space on a railed forearm? [/sarcasm] |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 5:47:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted:One thing I like about a carry handle is it is the signature look of a black rifle. Wait... I thought the signature look of the black rifle was 5lbs of crap occupying every inch of rail space on a railed forearm? [/sarcasm] Just for the record: Some people actually only mount things that improve the capability of the rifle and don't just put everything they can on there just because there's open rail space. |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 6:11:05 AM EDT
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This is correct. Learn something new every day. Cool. |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 6:21:22 AM EDT
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May I be the first to congratulate the OP for passing air assault school and for having the nads to come on ARFCOM and admit that he is a vagina for trying the ultimate bitch-move of using the "carry handle". Why were you not cured of this stupidity in Basic Training? I blame your drill sergeants. They have failed you, and you have failed them AND the army, and ARFCOM. Go outside and smoke yourself. BWHAHAHAHAHA This 
Congrats for becoming a dope on a rope. 
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Posted: 9/26/2011 6:26:30 AM EDT
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Just for the record: Some people actually only mount things that improve the capability of the rifle and don't just put everything they can on there just because there's open rail space. I know, I've been .mil since '93 (not a shooter/door-kicker, but a support guy). You've gotta admit, though, that there's a significant percentage of black rifle owners who DO subscribe to the "zomg open rail space! must fill it with ________!" mentality. That's why I threw the [/sarcasm] in there... |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 6:42:35 AM EDT
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I doubt any owner hasn't picked up his AR by the conveniently located handle and looking in the mirror or glass patio door realized he looked like a tool, half ground pounder, half business man with a briefcase. Although I read somewhere in the history of the AR that Stoner did in fact intend the AR to be carried by, guess what... the carry handle! I did not know that about the charging devise. Would you happen to know what years they were made? One thing I like about a carry handle is it is the signature look of a black rifle. I do however like an LMT stand alone for better balance. The top famas looking chargig handles were on the very first ar-10's that stoner designed |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 7:26:06 AM EDT
[#33]
Why because some goes dont have BUISs and the carry handle is the iron sights.Originally it was there because the charging handle ran inside it,Secondary it holds the iron sights.......but like i was told long ago dont John Wayne the rifle...a coined phrase because of hoe he carried the rifle in the Green Berets and while on that subject those operators prefer to be refered to as Army Special Forces not Green Berets.
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Posted: 9/26/2011 7:55:56 AM EDT
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May I be the first to congratulate the OP for passing air assault school and for having the nads to come on ARFCOM and admit that he is a vagina for trying the ultimate bitch-move of using the "carry handle". Why were you not cured of this stupidity in Basic Training? I blame your drill sergeants. They have failed you, and you have failed them AND the army, and ARFCOM. Go outside and smoke yourself. BWHAHAHAHAHA This
Congrats for becoming a dope on a rope. still a leg 
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Posted: 9/26/2011 8:03:39 AM EDT
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Some Military's issued weapons with dedicated carry handles, for actually carrying the rifle:
http://www.gunrunnerauctions.com/listings/details/show_large_img.cfm?fullsize_thumbs/981248145.jpg |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 8:11:06 AM EDT
[#36]
When there are no NCO's around I carry mine by the carry handle because I'm a rebel...
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Posted: 9/26/2011 8:20:20 AM EDT
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May I be the first to congratulate the OP for passing air assault school and for having the nads to come on ARFCOM and admit that he is a vagina for trying the ultimate bitch-move of using the "carry handle". Why were you not cured of this stupidity in Basic Training? I blame your drill sergeants. They have failed you, and you have failed them AND the army, and ARFCOM. Go outside and smoke yourself. BWHAHAHAHAHA This
Congrats for becoming a dope on a rope. still a leg What do they say..."To scared to jump, too lazy to walk." |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 9:21:52 AM EDT
[#38]
Ahhhh "dope on a rope". Sorry couldn't stop myself, but then again I'm only ex Army MP K9 and a leg.
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Posted: 9/26/2011 10:22:50 AM EDT
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Did my 12 mile ruck march to pass Air Assault school Friday and I got yelled at for carrying my rifle by the carry handle while jogging for a stint. Yes you should carry at low ready for tactical reasons. Army always shuns (from what I've seen so far) using the carry handle so why the hell to they continue to buy and issue m4's and m16's with carry handles?? Why not just buy and issue modernized flat-top uppers?? I'm just curious if its money or politics or what?? Thanks guys. You should have just broke the rifle down into the upper and lower receivers and packed both into your ruck for the 12 miler. |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 10:26:25 AM EDT
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When there are no NCO's around I carry mine by the carry handle because I'm a rebel... Stick it to the man!
~Augee |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 10:33:34 AM EDT
[#41]
Dont feel bad I got caught doing that in AIT and got the same corrective action. that was in 97 and I never did it since lol!
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Posted: 9/26/2011 10:48:28 AM EDT
[#42]
The FAMAS has a stupid-large carry handle for the same reason:
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Posted: 9/26/2011 11:32:47 AM EDT
[#43]
For the same reason it used to be acceptable to throw your rifle up over your shoulder and carry it around that way.
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Posted: 9/26/2011 12:24:04 PM EDT
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The FAMAS has a stupid-large carry handle for the same reason: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/FAMAS/FAMAS_G2Right.jpg It was obviously designed for animals other than humans. |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 12:26:34 PM EDT
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I think a lot of people overlook the fact that the detachable handle acts as a rail cover as well as a sight assembly. Hell, if you put it on the bottom of your rail, it even acts as a handstop or VFG, and we all know that everyone here loves those things. Well, everyone except me.
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Posted: 9/26/2011 12:40:00 PM EDT
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The FAMAS has a stupid-large carry handle for the same reason: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/FAMAS/FAMAS_G2Right.jpg Finally, a carry handle my manhands will fit. |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 12:44:40 PM EDT
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May I be the first to congratulate the OP for passing air assault school and for having the nads to come on ARFCOM and admit that he is a vagina for trying the ultimate bitch-move of using the "carry handle". Why were you not cured of this stupidity in Basic Training? I blame your drill sergeants. They have failed you, and you have failed them AND the army, and ARFCOM. Go outside and smoke yourself. BWHAHAHAHAHA This
Congrats for becoming a leg on a rope. FIFY |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 12:50:53 PM EDT
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Quoted:One thing I like about a carry handle is it is the signature look of a black rifle.
Wait... I thought the signature look of the black rifle was 5lbs of crap occupying every inch of rail space on a railed forearm? [/sarcasm] Just for the record: Some people actually only mount things that improve the capability of the rifle and don't just put everything they can on there just because there's open rail space. I usually rent the open rail space out to offset ammo prices. |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 1:00:52 PM EDT
[#49]
Congrats on your passing the Course, that is one of two handles you shouldn't grab. LOL.
Steve E........ |
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Posted: 9/26/2011 2:48:54 PM EDT
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Colt still ships brand new M4s with regular fat handguards and carry handles on them in the plain brown boxes most likely cause there has been no modification to the purchase order telling them to stop. Once at unit level the handle goes into a box of other CHs and handguards and MATECH sights and Knights handguards go on the carbine. The cycle keeps repeating this. Last batch my unit got in had MATECH sights and Knights rails already on. No fat handguards or carry handles in sight and they only thing we had to put on were the Aimpoint M4S red dots that came with them. |
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