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Posted: 8/20/2003 4:47:24 AM EDT
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Believe you'll fine the best in repeatable zero mounting, from these guys here: [url]http://www.armsmounts.com/list.html[/url]
MSTN, CMMG and others on the EE sell ARMS products, check w/ them..... Mike |
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Posted: 8/20/2003 6:18:43 AM EDT
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ARMS.
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Posted: 8/20/2003 11:13:51 AM EDT
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For your application ARMS mounts sound very good and the recomendations are valid. There are others with equal or better repeatablilty out there. I have (and still am) using GG&G products that are equal to or above the rest for my applications. WAR FIGHTING.
Dont let dollars decide what is the best. Also don't let arm chair warriors tell you what works best. Consult a person who has used products in the worst environments. |
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Posted: 8/20/2003 12:51:35 PM EDT
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ARMS stuff is excellent, but they don't have a good mount that is specific to mounting a conventional scope on an AR flattop, which due to the flattop rail's placement further to the rear than most bolt guns, presents a problem being able to mount the scope far enough forward to get proper eye relief.
[img]www.armalite.com/shared/images/armalite_scope_mount.gif[/img] For that reason, I recommend the Armalite one-piece mount. It has a built-in recoil lug that also works to ensure that the mount rezeros upon being removed, and the front ring is set an inch forward of the mount, allowing the scope to be mounted forward of the flattop. It is very secure, but very easy to remove. IMO, the only way to improve on it would be to add ARMS throwlevers. [:)] -Troy |
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Posted: 8/20/2003 3:55:05 PM EDT
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I agree with Troy. The Armalite mount is excellent.
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Posted: 8/20/2003 8:54:11 PM EDT
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REM700 - I have an Armalite mount (1") I'll let go for $50 plus shipping. Let me know if ur interested
Doc |
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Posted: 8/20/2003 9:14:20 PM EDT
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I think that the ARMS #35 gives more options of mounting that any other one piece, because it's also modular. The #22 high's and high's from other companies can handle the majority of all long scopes, and the throw lever #22's are the best repeat of all in my experience.
Good shootin, Jack |
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Posted: 8/20/2003 9:31:23 PM EDT
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I have found that the best thing to do is not take the sight off. : ) Of course that doesn't work for you or does it: MONOLOC NVD clamps onto scopes eyebell.
I've never tested ARMS mounts with an accurate scope. I've had them but never removed them once zeroed. (an Aimpoint is not an accurate scope as far as I care.). I've tested WEAVER (simmons marketed) rings and know they hold about 1 MOA. that isn't very good (however using like 4 simmons 4x4 rings instead of 2 will cut down on that maybe in half. I've heard really good things about Leupolds QD base and rings the ones with the 2 levers on the side. |
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Posted: 8/21/2003 6:57:11 AM EDT
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Hey Swatdoc,
I sent you an email about buying the 1" Armalite mount. Let me know if you didn't receive. Appreciate it, HS |
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Posted: 8/21/2003 7:43:06 AM EDT
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Arms and Armalite both make excellent systems. And there is a reason they sell more product - price perfromance.
But, your title asked who makes the BEST. Well, the answer is US Optics. Yup. Overengineered, overpriced, and absolutely pure. [img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=4601&iGalleryUnq=701&iImageUnq=16409[/img] [url]http://www.usoptics.com/usPosiTac.htm[/url] |
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Posted: 8/21/2003 4:23:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2003 4:27:11 PM EDT
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Well it sure is obvious what the snipers in Spec ops decided was best for combat and the repeat on off ability for their SPR's, #22med
on the SPR rail, or 22high off the receiver. They have to switch out devices and don't need something that won't repeat dead on every time. Good shootin, Jack |
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Posted: 8/21/2003 11:42:30 PM EDT
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Another vote for ARMS #22 rings. After owning a set of 'em, they're the only scope rings I'm ever going to use.
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Posted: 8/22/2003 4:20:46 AM EDT
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3rdtk is right about the ARMS #22M rings. I went with that setup for my varmint setup...
C4 [img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/049690.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 8/22/2003 8:36:21 AM EDT
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uhhhhhhh... just curious... why do you need a forward vertical handle for a varmint gun?
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Posted: 8/22/2003 11:50:04 AM EDT
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ARMS #22 Medium sitting on an ARMS #38 works for me. The Medium length is good enough for most applications I've seen, although many people around here seem to favor the long version. The short version doesn't extend your mounting surface, so aside from being a riser with BUIS built in, I don't really see the point.
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Posted: 8/22/2003 9:50:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: uhhhhhhh... just curious... why do you need a forward vertical handle for a varmint gun? The vert grip is to earn valuable BLING-BLING points. Where you been dude ???? [spank] The game is whoever earns the most BLING-BLING points wins. [whacko] |
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Posted: 8/23/2003 11:10:40 AM EDT
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A quality scope mount is only one half of the equation for repeatable zero. Also need a rail that is properly machined. I have come across different flattop receivers that have had some errors in machining, and this isn't specific to any one brand, even seen it with Colt. If the rail is not uniformly machined along its length, you are going to have problems with a repeatable zero.
It should be noted that no matter how tight you attach the mount to a rail, it will move on the rail to what ever amount the recoil lug allows in the rail cutout. I have seen mounts using thumb screws that were really cranked down, move rearward on the rail, [b]against the recoil[/b], yet once the screws loosened up a bit, allowed the mount to move forward with recoil. However, with throw levers, your tension will stay even, and usually after firing about five rounds, the mount will settle into its happy spot, and generally not move from then on until being removed and replaced. |
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Posted: 8/23/2003 11:58:12 AM EDT
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Ahh, but that's why Armalite's built-in recoil lug is so great. It fits into a cross-slot with just barely enough clearance, so that you get a nice tight fit, and by pushing forward while you tighten the screws, you'll get NO movement at all.
-Troy |
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Posted: 8/23/2003 12:24:37 PM EDT
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ARMS
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Posted: 8/23/2003 2:22:31 PM EDT
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Has anyone tried Badger rings on a flattop? I know they make an extra high ring for the application. I have them on 2 Rem 700s and I can pull the scopes and reinstall them with minimal change in zero. I am also using Badger bases which are made to tight tolerances.
IDHunt |
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Posted: 8/23/2003 6:30:41 PM EDT
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The cross bars that fit tight into the notches are fine to a piont, but not for combat purposes. There is no reaward motion of optic mounts from recoil, all rifles recoil to the rear and all mounts move foward, (for every action there is a reaction). Extra space is built in around the military (rectangular)cross bars so that dirt, debri, etc., is not going to clog up the notch on the sides or bottom of the notch. To tight tolerances can prevent a soldier from putting another divice into the notch in a muddy, etc., enviroment.
Good shootin, Jack |
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Posted: 8/23/2003 8:43:28 PM EDT
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I have seen mounts move rearward under recoil. After discussing this with a friend, we hypothesized that this phenomenon was due to a combination of stress waves initiated in the upper reciever from cycling of the action and the difference between static and dynamic friction coefficients. Basically what happens is that when the rifle initially recoils backward, the static friction is keeping the mount stationary, then a combination of recoil and stress waves negate the static friction case and the dynamic friction coefficient takes over. The dynamic friction coefficient being lower than the static coefficient allows the mount to move, however, at this point the rifle is now being pushed forward again by the user, causing the mount to move rearward.
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Posted: 8/24/2003 4:33:55 AM EDT
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Jason_H
That's very good. I suppose the mount you observer was made by a slit slot slant slitter? LOL Good shootin, Jack |
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