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Posted: 5/7/2003 4:26:42 AM EDT
If you had just $800 to spend which one would you buy....

Will I be involved in CQ with my AR - Probably not... Use my SIG220 or HK USP Tac for that... Although I have Streamlight M-6 with Laser / Flashlight combo on forarm of my M4 AR-15....

Will I want to use this gun to go prarie dog hunting - probably so...  Have hit dogs at nearly 300 yards with cheap red dot on rifle....  Given at that range they did experience some dirt in their face before a shot hit a couple of times...

Just want some knowledgeable thoughts...

Thanks -
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 5:18:15 AM EDT
[#1]
TA31!

I have a TA11, and the BAC/donut reticle is amazing.  I have used a TA01NSN, and it's nice, but IMHO nothing gives more flexibility than a TA11/TA31.  At close range, it acts like an always-on red dot sight, and at long range, it gives you a clear image with a wide field of view.  If I had the money, I would put one on every AR I own!
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 5:31:20 AM EDT
[#2]
Well, I think the TA31 is more versatile and you can use it for prairie dogging; but if your primary use is going to be popping prairie dogs then the TA01NSN is probably more useful to you since the crosshair won't obscure as much of the already small target.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 9:54:04 AM EDT
[#3]
I would recommend the Ta01 with the full red illumination. The TAO1NSN's back up sights are almost useless and its set up for a 14" carbine.  The TAO1 is  set up for a 20" and I think the reticle is easier to see. Also alot of people are selling them to get the BAC models so they're relatively plentiful.  Its a great scope just without BAC.

[img]http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/c9ada1d9/bc/Trijicon+reticles++ACOG/TA01.jpg?bczXUu.AA4OPC35u[/img]
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 11:23:29 AM EDT
[#4]
TA31's illuminated reticule makes it easier for you to aim and fire.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 8:41:31 PM EDT
[#5]
Thanks for everyone's input.  Can anyone tell me how big of an area the target dot on the TA31 represents at 100 years.  Still trying to understand MOA discussions.

Thanks
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 8:48:11 PM EDT
[#6]
The TAO1NSN is a very precise optic. Kind of low powered though. I'll sell you mine if you pick it.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 9:04:10 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Thanks for everyone's input.  Can anyone tell me how big of an area the target dot on the TA31 represents at 100 years.  Still trying to understand MOA discussions.

Thanks
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It's actually a donut.  The inner diameter is 2 MOA, and the outer is 4 MOA.
Link Posted: 5/8/2003 7:38:19 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
...Can anyone tell me how big of an area the target dot on the TA31 represents at 100 years...
Thanks
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At 100 years?  We will all be long dead by then, so who cares?   [:D]
Link Posted: 5/8/2003 10:16:01 PM EDT
[#9]
I have an NSN, and I love it!


But the TA31 is probably the better choice for a GP sight.
Link Posted: 5/8/2003 10:30:50 PM EDT
[#10]
If prairie dogging is key I reccomend NSN as it has a clear to read fine lined reticle.

It might get hard to kill prairie dogs at 300yds with a 4MOA doughnut (12inch red circle at 300yds given that dogs are about 4inches wide.)
Link Posted: 5/9/2003 8:33:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Didn't mean to write years....   Yards...   spending too much time online between work and play....  

So 4 MOA - means essentially four inches at 100 yards?  Using the adjustable light intensity target dot on my cheap scope probably gets down to be about 1 inch at 100....  still good enough for alot of fun with 300+ dogs running and chattering for cover.

Thanks again...
Link Posted: 5/10/2003 12:19:52 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
If prairie dogging is key I reccomend NSN as it has a clear to read fine lined reticle.

It might get hard to kill prairie dogs at 300yds with a 4MOA doughnut (12inch red circle at 300yds given that dogs are about 4inches wide.)
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Actually the donut does not cover the target anymore at 300 yards.  You are using the bottom edge of the circle and past that you use the BDC tic marks.  ALL ACOGs have the same tic marks.  ALL ACOGs are EQUALLY precise over 300 yards.  I really get tired of people saying the reticle will cover the target a t 300, 400 or 500 yards.  If it does that your an idiot because you need to hold over or your hitting way low with a 100 yard zero.
Link Posted: 5/10/2003 4:54:24 AM EDT
[#13]
From the Hakko site. Clearly illustrates DevL's point regarding ranges over 300 yards.

[img]www.armscenter.com/xm777/ACOG-Range.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:39:41 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Quoted:
If prairie dogging is key I reccomend NSN as it has a clear to read fine lined reticle.

It might get hard to kill prairie dogs at 300yds with a 4MOA doughnut (12inch red circle at 300yds given that dogs are about 4inches wide.)
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Actually the donut does not cover the target anymore at 300 yards.  You are using the bottom edge of the circle and past that you use the BDC tic marks.  ALL ACOGs have the same tic marks.  ALL ACOGs are EQUALLY precise over 300 yards.  I really get tired of people saying the reticle will cover the target a t 300, 400 or 500 yards.  If it does that your an idiot because you need to hold over or your hitting way low with a 100 yard zero.
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DevL - such people skills....

XM777 - thanks for the chart - it CLEARLY demostrates what was trying to be described...  

But to a point (the Donut) - will not get any smaller when viewing targets at any yardage - I was simply trying to find out EXACTLY how many inches the target point will cover at 100 YARDS.  Did I hear 4 Inches?



Link Posted: 5/11/2003 9:59:33 AM EDT
[#15]
4 MOA ring which is 1 MOA thick or you could say it has a 2 MOA hole in it. 1 MOA = 1 inch at 100 yards.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 4:22:08 PM EDT
[#16]
DevL - Thanks for the real info!
Link Posted: 5/12/2003 12:22:45 PM EDT
[#17]
I would agree with everyone here - for CQ, go with the TA-31.  I want one, but for now the NSN is perfect on my M4.  I think for prarie dogs up to 300 yds, that may be a stretch, although you seem to be a good shot!  Me, my eyes won't allow that kind of shooting, so for beyond 100 yds, I go with a 4.5-14X Leupold on a Varminter.
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