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Posted: 10/6/2005 1:28:45 AM EDT
With an aimpoint sighted 16" MRP I shot about a 6 or so inch group at 300 yards, prone. I think I did OK. Ammo was Remington el cheapo 55gr .223.

What do you guys consider good accuracy from your weapons?
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 1:37:52 AM EDT
With that sight, prone, that's very good.

If I shoot 6" with a dot sight at 300 yards, I'm tickled pink.

But, accuracy is subjective. With my varmint gun I expect to hit 1.5" at 300 yards, and can do it pretty consistently. With an AK, I'm happy with minute-of-dumbass.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 1:38:59 AM EDT
sounds pretty damn good to me
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:07:14 AM EDT
I call BS

Nobody uses "el cheapo" in a sentence

Good shootin, If I had access to 300 yds id try it
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:16:50 AM EDT
I think 6" @ 300 is good. Since your aimpoint's dot is covering 12" at that distance, you are keeping all the shots within the dot (assuming you are using a 4 moa dot).
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:29:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
sounds pretty damn good to me



Me, too.....
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 8:06:44 AM EDT
Yes, if you can keep all your rounds "inside the dot" you're doing quite well with that type of optic. I personally have a more difficult time with dot scopes at long range and would rather shoot with the iron. Getting the dot to cover the SAME 12" is what gets me.

I've been told that using larger targets with rings that are at least the size of the dat works much better. I use smaller targets at all ranges. Try it again with a 6" target and see what I mean!
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 8:25:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 5:38:47 PM EDT
I must really be a poor shot. I would take a 6 inch group at a 100 yards with my eotech any day.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 5:57:48 PM EDT
I wanted to know what you guys think is good. And I figured I had to share first!

Subtend isn't much of a problem. Instead of worrying about whats beneath the dot, center the dot in the target--equal distance from both edges of the target. I was using a man target with a dot in the center that was completely covered by the aimpoint.

UKD shooting is harder!
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 6:33:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:Subtend isn't much of a problem. Instead of worrying about whats beneath the dot, center the dot in the target--equal distance from both edges of the target.


Same principle as dual aperture (front and rear) sights.

2 MOA with 55 gr, non match ammo is very good.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 6:38:36 PM EDT
My eyes are not good enough to do 2 MOA at 300 yards with a 1X dot sight. For real world conditions, that is excellent for 3-4X scoped shooting if you can do it consistantly and not a single best group of the day. By that I mean not benched and with slight wind, especially with the ammo you are using.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 10:07:54 PM EDT
my best at 300 is 6" through a cheap 4x scope and 9" with irons, all from prone. Good shooting.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 10:13:42 PM EDT
I never shoot with optics but the of the very very few times ive ever shot an AR at 300 I kepts my groups on a sheet of copy paper and was satisfied. The front sight post looked twice the size of that paper! Ammo was 77gSMKhandloads.

So I think you did very well!
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 10:42:25 PM EDT
After I got my Eotech sighted in for 100 yards. I am able to keep a 30 round mag of wolf 55 grain jhp ammunition in a 3 inch diameter orange dot. I am happy with that accuracy. I have never even tried to shoot at 300 yards so I have no idea, with my eotech I don't see pinpoint 300 yard accuracy in the cards.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 10:44:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vengarr:
After I got my Eotech sighted in for 100 yards. I am able to keep a 30 round mag of wolf 55 grain jhp ammunition in a 3 inch diameter orange dot. I am happy with that accuracy. I have never even tried to shoot at 300 yards so I have no idea, with my eotech I don't see pinpoint 300 yard accuracy in the cards.



Theoretically your group at 300yds would be 9moa.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 10:47:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

Originally Posted By vengarr:
After I got my Eotech sighted in for 100 yards. I am able to keep a 30 round mag of wolf 55 grain jhp ammunition in a 3 inch diameter orange dot. I am happy with that accuracy. I have never even tried to shoot at 300 yards so I have no idea, with my eotech I don't see pinpoint 300 yard accuracy in the cards.



Theoretically your group at 300yds would be 9moa.



But his is 30 rounds, not five!
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 4:35:20 AM EDT

Whats a decent group at 300m?


all shots in the kill zone on a standard FBI man sized target !!
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 6:11:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

Originally Posted By vengarr:
After I got my Eotech sighted in for 100 yards. I am able to keep a 30 round mag of wolf 55 grain jhp ammunition in a 3 inch diameter orange dot. I am happy with that accuracy. I have never even tried to shoot at 300 yards so I have no idea, with my eotech I don't see pinpoint 300 yard accuracy in the cards.



Theoretically your group at 300yds would be 9moa.





How does 3moa at 100 yds translate to 9moa at 300 yds?
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 6:17:37 AM EDT
Combat Jack,

I have also obtained 6" groups at 300 yards using the Rem UMC 55 gr ammo. Mine is a BM 20" A3 using the iron sights. This was done from a sandbagged bench.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 6:33:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/7/2005 9:13:05 AM EDT by tobycreek]
Anything Minute of Bad Guy or better at 300 yards.

With match ammo and my varmint AR rig, I can place 5 shots in a Coke can at 300. With irons, if I can do 3" w/ match ammo and rifle or 6" with duty rifle, I'm satisfied.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 7:52:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tobycreek:
Anything Minute of Bad Guy or better at 300 yards.

With match ammo and my varmint AR rig, I can place 5 shots in a Coke can at 300. With irons, if I can do 3 MOA w/ match ammo and rifle or 6" with duty rifle, I'm satisfied.



Thats good work.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:00:57 AM EDT
6" at 300 is plenty good with an Aimpoint. I consider it pretty good, period.

That means you could still make a torso hit at roughly 600-700

Personally, I haven't gotten the chance to sit down and really try for some groups since the corn was taken out. urbankaos04 is sending me some ammo that he wants me to try out through my Sabre barrel at 100yds, so I might run a target out to 300 while I'm at it and see how I do with the EOThingy.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:24:34 AM EDT
I'm not a match shooter, but I'd say a head or torso sized group at 200+ yards is good
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:54:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dracster:

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

Originally Posted By vengarr:
After I got my Eotech sighted in for 100 yards. I am able to keep a 30 round mag of wolf 55 grain jhp ammunition in a 3 inch diameter orange dot. I am happy with that accuracy. I have never even tried to shoot at 300 yards so I have no idea, with my eotech I don't see pinpoint 300 yard accuracy in the cards.



Theoretically your group at 300yds would be 9moa.





How does 3moa at 100 yds translate to 9moa at 300 yds?



Triple the group size@triple to distance. Theoretically its possible, but in practice I doubt it.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 10:39:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

Originally Posted By Dracster:

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

Originally Posted By vengarr:
After I got my Eotech sighted in for 100 yards. I am able to keep a 30 round mag of wolf 55 grain jhp ammunition in a 3 inch diameter orange dot. I am happy with that accuracy. I have never even tried to shoot at 300 yards so I have no idea, with my eotech I don't see pinpoint 300 yard accuracy in the cards.



Theoretically your group at 300yds would be 9moa.





How does 3moa at 100 yds translate to 9moa at 300 yds?





Triple the group size@triple to distance. Theoretically its possible, but in practice I doubt it.



Wait a minute.

What is a Minute Of Angle?

3 Minutes Of Angle at 1 yard is still 3 Minutes Of Angle at a gwadzillion yards. (tangent of 1/60 X 100yds X 3 ft X 12") equals 1.0472" at 100 yards.

Roughly speaking 1 minute of angle is 1" at 100 yards, 2" at 200 yards, 3" at 300 yards.

A 9" group at 300 yards is 3 MOA, just as a 3" at 100, 6" at 200....
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 10:43:15 AM EDT
All in the same hole...

I aim the first shot, then I just close my eyes on all the rest... One hole everytime!!!
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 12:09:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

Originally Posted By Dracster:

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

Originally Posted By vengarr:
After I got my Eotech sighted in for 100 yards. I am able to keep a 30 round mag of wolf 55 grain jhp ammunition in a 3 inch diameter orange dot. I am happy with that accuracy. I have never even tried to shoot at 300 yards so I have no idea, with my eotech I don't see pinpoint 300 yard accuracy in the cards.



Theoretically your group at 300yds would be 9moa.





How does 3moa at 100 yds translate to 9moa at 300 yds?



Triple the group size@triple to distance. Theoretically its possible, but in practice I doubt it.



3MOA at 100yds is 3"
3MOA at 300yds is 9"
3MOA at 600yds is 18"
etc.



WIZZO
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 12:22:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By arteacher:
I must really be a poor shot. I would take a 6 inch group at a 100 yards with my eotech any day.

I shoot 4 inches with Irons, and an sks spitting wolf at 100 Probably sighting in the scope in the am. I don't think it'll improve much if any.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 3:06:30 PM EDT


I had it in my head right but typed it wrong. You're all right and i was wrong.

Link Posted: 10/7/2005 3:26:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/7/2005 3:26:57 PM EDT by SWO_daddy]
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Link Posted: 10/7/2005 5:15:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/7/2005 5:15:56 PM EDT by Brahmzy]
Uh, I think I would shoot 6' groups at 300 yards with my EOTech, not 6".

I shoot about 8"-10" groups @ 100 yards with my carbine @ EOTech. Ya I know, I know. My right eye is only 20/25 corrected. Left eye is MUCH better, but I can't hold the rifle still when I shoot lefty.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 5:22:16 PM EDT
Everyone keeps using the old, hoary excuse that their eyesight sucks. Truth of the matter is that most people can't shoot worth a damn because they do not practice the fundamentals of marksmanship, and as a consequence their sight alignment, sight picture, trigger control and natural point of aim all suck.
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 8:33:05 PM EDT
And the fact that my friggin' eyesight sucks, dumbass. I sometimes have issues reading license plates right in front of me with my right eye. Add some contacts, a dry climate and a little wind and there ya friggin' go. Sheesh. I am 2 months away from LASIK which will help things tremendously.
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