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Posted: 9/9/2005 3:52:41 PM EDT
What rifle is used by the USA military?
Is there a time line somewhere I can look at the progession from WWI to present? Also what does S.W.A.T use for semi auto rifle.? |
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I say One would have to have some idea that the US .MIL uses the AR15 series of rifle in order to come to this website.
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There are a lot of rifles used by the USA military. Some aren't even ours. Just ask those carrying AK-47's taken from dead insurgents.
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http://www.americanlongrifles.com/images/rifle_logo2.jpg
The Kentucky Long Rifle is still the preferred rifle for all US Armed forces. ~NewbieDave |
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I've heard of these, what caliber is the one in the picture? |
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I think it's chambered in Remingtons new cartridge H2O |
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Since your obviously new to this (and no one else can answer seriously heMilitary versions generally are fully automatic, while the civilan AR-15 is semi-automatic.
SWAT teams vary from police force to police force, but I believe many still prefer the AR15 platform. As far as a timeline of military rifles, just keep reading... (TIP: Read through as much as this board as you can, and you WILL learn a lot!) |
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It shoots a .50 cal from the muzzle but if you aim it at a high angle it will rain down on the insurgents like a shotgun shell but oddly has absoultly NO recoil or noise report!!!
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I thought the .50H2O was made by hornady, and remington chambers theirs with hornady's bullets...
Who realy knows... I am really going to take it this far??? Of course. I'm going to get one and paint it Krylon O.D. green... I send range report as soon as they lift the LEO restriction on .50 cal water... |
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Close, it is the H2OSSM (Super Short Magnum) |
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the Ruger 10/22 man prtable projectile delivery system:
http://www.ruger1022.com/images/Israeli_ruger-2_250v.jpg http://www.ruger1022.com/images/Israeli_Sniper6_250.jpg http://www.ruger1022.com/images/Israeli_ruger-3_250.jpg |
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BINGO! We have a winner! I am Spooge5150, and I approve this message. |
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This can't even be qualified as newbie!!!! It almost hurts my eyes. |
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got a specfic rifle in mind--there are several in use by the US military.....
yes, but i dont know where to look which swat? |
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I can't even slap you for this one, it's so bad...instead, I guess I'll just answer you... WWI: Springfield 1903 (?) WWII: Springielf 1903 and (more common) M1 Garand Korea: M1 Garand (?) Vietnam: M14 and M16A1 Gulf War 1: M16A2 Now: M16A2 |
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I really like those rugers 10/22's |
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The tac team here has M-4s. Yes FA M-4s. And it's used primarily in that mode.
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Didn't Pacino use that in Heat? BTW, this stupid assed question is making the baby Jesus cry. ETA: The military has just started issuing cowbells. They gave up on rifles for being ecologically unsound. |
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Thats nice!!! I guess I should have been more specific with my questions (to avoid being flamed), cause you guys think this is a big joke. Do you guys KNOW what the guys had for guns in WWI? Do you know the transition the ar15 went through to get to its present day status? Do you know what different guns the various S.W.A.T agencies throughout the country use? Plenty of jokes and dumb pictures of 'squirt guns' came of this legitimate question(probably from the ones who dont know the answers). If you think this is such a stupid ass question lets see you answer it correctly and then we will see if your baby jesus is crying! Yes I am a newbie to YOUR ar15.com forum, No this is not a school project, No I am not a newbie to forums, No I have not read EVERY single thread and page on this forum. Yes I would like to start up a conversation about the ar15 and what agencies use it in the USA and how it has 'changed' over the years. |
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WW1 - IIRC the M1917 was used in greater numbers than the 1903. |
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I'll take the first part of your question. SWAT teams have never used a "gun". BUt I'll tell you what "gun" was used by the US in WW1. The 75mm and the 120mm respectively. There were a few more that were in the works to be utilized by US forces, such as an early version of the recoiless howitzer, extensively used in WWII. pics of a WW1 "gun's" 75mm 120mm(?) |
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World War 1
M1917, M1903 World War 2 M1917, M1903 and variants, including M1903a3 and a4, M-1 Carbine, M-1 Garand, M3(a1) greasegun, M1928 thompson variants, and M1(a1) Thompson Korea , same with WWII , M1c, M1d , M2 and M3 carbines see more / first use Vietnam M-14, M-14e2(M-15), M-16, XM16e1 , M-1/M-2 Carbine, M-3 greasegun, and thompson variants CAR-15 (XM607, XM177/E1/E2) Mid 1980's brings the adoption of the M-16a2 , which later the M-16a3 and M-16a4 arrive. Attempts at improving the Carbine variants of the M-16 brings the debut of the M-4 and later M-4a1 I've left out shotguns, MG's, grenade launchers and sidearms. Sidearms are pretty general from WW1 to Current though, consisting of the M-10 S&W, M1911(A1), S&W/Colt M1917, Colt M1903, and Beretta M9 (Sig has a model in there. I want to say 228 as the M11, but I may be wrong) Of course, in all situations there are other weapons than just those listed. Personal carry, and specific need/choice issues. |
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At the turn of the century the US primary front line rilfe was the various models Krag rifles and carbines. These where chambered for the Ctg .30 cal US Army commanly known now days as the 30-40 Krag. In 1903 we adopted a modified Mauser as the M1903 Springfield in Ctg .30 cal Model of 1903. This was reduced in length abit and a pointed bullet instead of a round nose creating the M1906 ctg (7.62x63mm or 30-06). This rifle continued serving through models M1903A1 (pre & early WWII), M1903A2 (subcal artillary) M1903A3 (WWII) and the sniper version M1903A4. Last Springfields where made in 1944 when productions was shut down.
During WWI when we where short rifles the government took the Remington P14 Enfield in .303 British and had it chambered for the .30-06, hence becoming the M1917. We also took delivery of a large amount of M1891 Mosin-Nagants made for the Russian Army and issued them to the US Expedition Forces to Russia in 1918-19. Rifle was chambered for the 7.62x54 Rimmed Russian cartridge. In 1918 John Browning automatic rifle was adopted as the M1918 BAR. It was select fire, 20 rounds of 30-06. It continued in service with the models A1 and A2. Finally being replaced by the M15 in the late 50s. In 1936 the M1 Garand was chosen over the Johnson Auto Rifle to become our first semi auto. Last ones where built in 1952 (might be mistaken here). Rifle again fired the 30-06 with a 8 round en-bloc clip. The M1C and D models were sniper versions of the rifle. In 1941 the M1 Carbine was adopted as replacement for the pistol and rifle for service troops. It was semi auto and had a 15 round mag cap of .30 US Carbine (7.62x33). The carbine was also made in several versions as the M1A1 (folding stock for airborne use), M2 (select fire) and the M3 (M2 with infrared scope). The next service rifle was adopted as the M14 in 1959. This was a modified M1 Garand (shorter gas systerm)with a 20 round mag for the new T65 service cartridge. Hence known as the 7.62x51mm NATO or .308 Winchester. There was also a M14A1 and M15 which where supposed to replace the BARs but they where too light to be effective automatic weapons. The M21 was the sniper version of the M14. The M16 series was next, beening adopted in 1964. It has gone thru numberous changes. M16, M16A1, M16A2, M16A3 and M16A4. The M4 and M4A1 carbine are shorter version of the same basic gun. All chambered for the 5.56x45/.223 Remington cartridge. It has been the longest serving service rifle in the history of the US and hence as a great following hence this site. The M24 Sniper Weapon System was adopted to replace the M21s and various other Remington and Winchester bolt guns as the standard 7.62mm sniper rifle. The M107 is the Barrett M82A1 classified standard heavy sniper rifle. It is chambered for that 1921 .50 BMG cartridge (12.7x99mm) and is semi auto with a 10 round mag cap. Service ammo has changed several times with various rifles (30-06 and 5.56). There is also testing and development to see what is goneing to be the next cartridge and rifle. That sums it up as the standard service arms in the 20th Century. CD |
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damn, now I gots to get me an airsoft |
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If that's what you wanted to do, why didn't you just post the above in the first place. Go back and read your first post and think about how juvenile it is. Then you will understand the responses. I certainly didn't get what you say you intended from your first post. Learning to better communicate your thoughts will be of benefit to you elsewhere also. |
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Exactly!! How in the hell are we supposed to know what you wanted to know if you just post what weapon does the military use and what do swat teams use. We are not mind readers, next time you post something and want a serious answer you might want to better describe exactly what it is that you want to know |
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Yeah, most of us know, and you should have been more specific to avoid the harassment you got. Since you now want to know what "the guys" had for guns in WWI, you're still in the same boat. What "guys" do you want to know about? Army, Navy, Marines, what? I'll give the doughboy answer: M1903, M1917, M17, and P17. The Krag was still around and used for training, but was found to be unsuitable for trench use. Colored troops were issued the French M1907/15 Berthier and some small numbers of the older M1886 Lebels. O3s, 17s, and the French rifles could all use the VB grenade launcher. In some regular units the French rifles were only used with the launcher. Following the collapse of Tsarist Russian in 1917, the feds bailed out US mfrs that were producing the M1891 Moisin Nagant by purchasing up the unshipped units. Some of these even made it into US hands, although they were hated and gotten rid of as soon as possible. US units assigned to Brits got SMLE No 1 Mk IIIs, Vickers, and Lewis guns. Most snipers were issued the 03 rifle with a Warner and Swassey M1908 5x scope. For shotties, the M1897 was issued. Sidearms consisted of M1911s, M1917s, and the M1892/1905 along with the M1909. The Chauchat M1915 was also inflicted upon our troops, along with a US improved version that fired the .30-06 round called the M1918. This was replaced by the M1918 BAR or "Light Browning" in 1918. To sum up the above, yeah I know what was used by what I think you mean by "the guys" in WWI. Did I pass your test? And yes, I know the transition of what the AR has been through. Use the search button, do a basic Google search, and check the Ammo Oracle. Then you'll know too. Your question is too broad. And yes, I know what a lot of the SWAT teams use. But again, you asked such a huge question that it would take a book to answer. Short version: just about anything with a lot of AR/M16/4 types, HK giggle guns, some ACC556 crap, etc. What you did was just about the equivalent of asking what car is driven in the US. What does SWAT use? You mean the movie or the TV show? Or did you mean SWAT (and SWAT-type units) throughout the 50 states? Local, state, what? And yeah, most of know what the history of the AR is, and if you had done something basic like checked the tacked posts under the AR board, you could have gotten a beautiful pictoral history of the AR. For the record, the baby Jesus stopped crying when he read my post due to the awesome display of useless weapon trivia from 90 years ago. He also said he helps those who help themselves, so he wants you to use your Google-fu. And he thinks it needs more cowbell. ETA: If you want even more minutiae about the different field equipments for the WWI arms I can do that too. Just let me know. |
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Thanks for your 2 lame replies to my original post...now that you know I am not 'gaffing' my homework you call me juvenille for not explaining myself better with my questions. If you look back at original question, its really simple...maybe you think you can just tag along and flame me like everyone else just to be cool! Maybe because i only have 3 posts here you think you know it all!!! Lets see your answer to the questions! Everyone has too start somewhere and your no help SSeric02! Keep your uneducated, useless, unhelpful posts to your self. Did I communicate that well enough for you or do you need further explanation? Too the rest who has helped with this thread thank you....maybe with such an unwelcome post by this SSeric02 person we can all see what its like to join a new forum(or to be the new guy). Hey you never know...I might have lots to offer here! I once saw an ak47 keep fireing even after there was a jammed spent round in it! |
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Holy shit just shut up already, cant you see you are digging yourself deeper and deeper. Just accept you posted something that looked like a 13 year old airsofter wanted to know who just got done watching the movie heat. Its not a big deal. |
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m24 shooter...its kinda funny because some of the google searchs bring me too this website and you tell me to go back to google...kinda reminds of the runaround I get at the DMV!
And if asked what car they drive in the us well it would be the BIG 3 of course chevy, ford and chrysler...duh. Sorry my post looked like it came from a 13 year old! Thanks for the warm welcome and the 'communication" lesson on how this forum works! I will get the lingo eventually ....once you guys get all your slamming on the newbie done. (and I have 10000posts) |
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Did it say come here and post an insanely vaugue question? Or did you take that on yourself? Big 3? Yup, don't see any Toyotas, Hondas, Rolls, BMWs, Mercs, Internationals, or other cars. You're not bothering us, you just need to learn how to ask a question and when and how to do a search. Stay, go, I don't care. That's up to you. Spare us the "Goodbye, cruel world" posts though. And I didn't pay any attention to your post count or start date when I read you post. |
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You would still be comparing apples and oranges. or like the example above, your asking for what kind of tractor-trailers are driven but you mean what kind of cars. A gun is not man portable. A rifle is. In more modern terms and I'll use pictures again. GUN Rifle/Weapon Get it? |
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I guess you got me there. Go back and read my post. I never said anything about you being a newb, I don't do that because I understand everyone is new at some point. Nor did I call you juvenile, I said your post was juvenile and used a poor choice of words to ask the question you wanted answers too. And it was. Your responses however, have shown a lack of communications skills and a lack of maturity. |
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Nor did I, just the wording of the post. thick skin Ghost. |
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