NOTE THE FRONT SCOPE RING IS A FULL INCH FURTHER FORWARD THAN THE MOST FORWARD SLOT ON THE RECEIVER. THIS ALLOWS FOR BIGGER SCOPES TO BE MOUNTED FAR ENOUGH FORWARD TO PROVIDE PROPER EYE RELIEF. BELIEVE ME, THIS IS A BIG DEAL!!!

I CHOSE TO GO WITH THE LOW RINGS, 1.25" ON CENTER. MOST FOLKS ARE PROBABLY BETTER SERVED BY THE MEDIUM RINGS, 1.5" ON CENTER. THE MEDIUM RINGS LEAVE SUFFICIENT ROOM TO MOUNT MOST BACK-UP IRON SIGHTS IN THE MOST AFT RECEIVER SLOT, UNDER THE SCOPE'S OCULAR LENS.

NO OTHER AR' SCOPE MOUNTING METHOD PROVIDES:

1. EASY ON/OFF WITH EXCELLENT RETURN TO ZERO PROPERTIES.

2. FORWARD MOUNTING POTENTIAL FOR ADEQUATE EYE RELIEF WITH BIG SCOPES.

3. VARIABLE MOUNTING HEIGHTS TO SUIT USER REQUIREMENTS.

4. ABILITY TO MOUNT BACK-UP IRON SIGHT (WITH MEDIUM RINGS).

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IPSC_GUY,

The forend is a Medium (9.5") with KAC low profile gas block under the forend.  
The barrel is a 16" Krieger SS 1:7.7, fluted and chambered by Frank White (C.L.E.).
The top rail is used to mount a DocterOptik red dot.

This top end is one that we built for sale. It is advertised in the E-E under Parts.

Paul
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YEP, THE DR OPTIC WORKS GREAT WITH THIS SET-UP. HERE'S A PIC OF ONE INSTALLED ON THE TOP ONE:



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$153 PLUS $8 FEDEX.

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WHAT SCOPE? FLAT TOP M4 OR AR10/SR25?

IF PROPERLY ASSEMBLED, I DO NOT THINK THE #35 QD BASE WITH TRACK-MOUNTED RINGS WOULD POSE A PROBLEM WITH "PARTS COMING LOOSE".

WES
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REM_700,

ANSWER: WHATEVER YOU WANT! THE USUAL OCCUPANT OF THE TOP RAIL IS A DR OPTIC OR TASCO 2000. BUT I HAVE A FRIEND WHO PUTS AN INSIGHT TECHNOLOGY M6 ON HIS.

GONT,

YOU NEED TO GO WITH THE ARMS #35 COMBO. THE RECEIVER IS TOO SHORT TO MOUNT THE SCOPE IN ARMS #22 RINGS.

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GONT,

WE COULD LAP THEM & LOCKTITE THE BASES IN FOR $75. IT TAKES A LONG TIME, AS THE ARMS RINGS ARE VERY TOUGH STUFF. PLUS, THERE'S A LOT OF SURFACE AREA ON THE #22 TRC. WE HAVE A NEW LAPPING BAR ON ORDER FROM BROWNELL'S. WORE THROUGH THE HARDENED SURFACE ON THE ONE!

THE STRENGTH WOULD I FEEL BE COMPARABLE. BUT WILL YOU BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SCOPE OBJECTIVE CLEAR THE FORWARD END OF THE RAIL YOU'RE USING? YOU CAN'T BE SURE UNTIL YOU MOUNT EVERYTHING UP AND CHECK EYE RELIEF.

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FIRST OFF, LET ME SAY THAT WE AGREE ON THE LAP DANCING.

AND I AGREE THAT IF YOU REARRANGE THE SCOPE RING POSITION, I.E., YOU TAKE THE RING OFF THE SCOPE AND REINSTALL IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU DO LOSE SOME (NOT ALL) OF THE BENEFITS OF THE LAPPING PROCESS.

I ALSO AGREE THAT IF PROPERLY ASSEMBLED & INSTALLED, THE TRACK MOUNTED RINGS DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALIGN THEMSELVES VERY WELL. PAUL E. CAME UP WITH A TECHNIQUE WE USE THAT GETS THEM NEAR PERFECT.

HOWEVER, ONE OF MY BIGGEST PERSONAL PEEVES IS SLOPPY SCOPE MOUNTING THAT SCRATCHES OR CRIMPS THE TUBE. AND THIS CAN BE DONE WITH PERFECTLY SYMMETRICAL, LAPPED RINGS IF ONE IS CARELESS FOR EVEN A MOMENT. THEY STILL HAVE SHARP CORNERS, AND ALUMINUM IS MUCH SOFTER THAN STEEL.

IF I AM MOUNTING A CUSTOMER'S SCOPE, IT IS GENERALLY IN THE $750 AND UP PRICE RANGE. IF I SCRATCH IT, I HAVE TO REPLACE IT.  IF IT TAKES ME A BIT LONGER TO DO IT BY HAND-LAPPING THE RINGS, IT IS TIME WELL SPENT, IN MY OPINION. WE ONLY HAVE ONE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

ARMS, KNIGHT'S, AND BADGER MAKE GREAT SCOPE RINGS. (THEY'RE ALL WE USE. THERE ARE NO DOUBT OTHER  GOOD ONES I HAVEN'T USED.) LAPPING THEM MAKES THEM EVEN BETTER SCOPE RINGS.

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NO DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS WITH #35 COMPONENTS. ASSEMBLY STEPS ARE OBVIOUS. OUR TECHNIQUE WILL REMAIN OUR TECHNIQUE. YOU MAY COME UP WITH A BETTER ONE, YOURSELF.

THE PARTS FOR THE DR OPTIC SIGHT ARE:

ARMS #22 TACTICAL RING CAP
ARMS #22 TACTICAL RING RAIL

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Quoted: ...WE ONLY HAVE ONE LEVEL OF SERVICE...

Well put, Wes. I always click on your posts, it seems you've always got pics of the newest and highest speed gear. It's nice to see that someone is providing a level of service on par with the product they're selling.

3RDTK-

I DID NOT ADDRESS GONT'S FIRST QUESTION POSTED ABOVE REGARDING THE FIRE RAIL AND #22 RINGS VS. THE #35 QD BASE WITH TRACK RINGS. THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

JACK, YOU DO NOT CARE FOR GG&G GEAR, I TAKE IT. AS A DISTRIBUTOR, I'VE HAD EXCELLENT RESULTS WITH THEIR STUFF. BUT I HEAR YOU RECENTLY EXAMINED A KNIGHT'S FREE FLOATING FOREND AND FOUND IT SATISFACTORY. AND I AM GETTING WHERE I LIKE THE SPACE AGE LOOK OF THE ARMS #45 SIR.

GONT-

WHEN YOU SAY 'FIRE RAIL", ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE GG&G COMPONENT? OR YOU COULD BE REFERRING TO THE ARMS #36 OR #38 (WITH #40 FLIP UP REAR), THE RAILS OF WHICH ARE SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE AND FUNCTION TO THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED GG&G FIRE RAIL.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN ANSWER THIS WITHOUT GETTING INTO A GG&G VS. ARMS DEBATE. LET'S ASSUME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXTENDED RECEIVER RAIL THAT ADDS APPROX 0.50" HEIGHT TO THE RECEIVER AND IS 1.5" - 3" LONGER THAN THE RECEIVER.

TO MY WAY OF THINKING, HAVING THE SCOPE IN #22 RINGS ATOP A RAIL DOES GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO MOVE THE SCOPE FORWARD TO GET PROPER EYE RELIEF. BUT IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU QUITE THE SAME LEVEL OF SIMPLICITY AS THE #35 QD BASE & RINGS.

FOR THE ABILITY TO GET RID OF THE SCOPE IN A HURRY (CAN YOU SAY "SPR"?) AND TRANSITION TO IRON SIGHTS, WITH A MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARTS TO WORRY ABOUT, I PREFER THE #35 QD BASE & RINGS. BUT A RAIL WITH #22 RINGS WOULD DO THE SAME THING. IT JUST LEAVES THE RAIL IN PLACE. SOME FOLKS LIKE TO "PROTECT" THEIR UPPER RECEIVER.

"PROTECT IT FROM WHAT?", I ALWAYS WONDER.

FOR A PERMANENT MOUNTING, CONSIDER THE ARMS #36EX RAIL AND #35 LOW OR MEDIUM TRACK MOUNT RINGS, OR OTHER RINGS DESIGNED TO PERMANENTLY ATTACH TO A MIL-STD 1913 RAIL (HINT: BADGER). I HAVE THAT COMBO ON ONE RIG (WITH NO IRON SIGHTS) AND IT HAS SERVED VERY WELL.

HOPE THIS HELPS.

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JACK,

I'M WITH YOU NOW, AND I AGREE TOTALLY. THE RAIL TO WHICH THE THROW LEVER MOUNT/S IS ATTACHED MUST BE CORRECTLY TOLERANCED OR THE THROW LEVER MOUNT/S CAN'T DO THEIR JOB.

PLUS, WITH #22 RINGS, GOING TO AN OUT OF TOLERANCE RAIL AS A BASE CAN INDEED PUT A BENDING MOMENT ON THE SCOPE TUBE, EVEN IF THE RINGS ARE PROPERLY LAPPED IN.

BUT A SCOPE IN A #35 QD BASE WITH TRACK RINGS WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED BY AN OUT OF TOLERANCE BASE RAIL. THE THROW LEVERS, HOWEVER, WOULD STILL FACE THE SAME OBSTACLES TO DOING THEIR JOB ON THAT OUT OF TOLERANCE RAIL.

WES
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YOU ARE CORRECT. THE #35 TRACK MOUNT RINGS ATTACH VIA COUNTERSUNK ALLEN HEAD SCREWS INTO THE HELICOILS ON THE #36 QD BASE,#36EX BASE, #38,#45 S.I.R., ETC.

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I AM, TOO.

WE'LL HOOK YOU UP.

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