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Posted: 3/13/2003 11:53:23 AM EDT
Coal Creek Armory of Oak Ridge TN, recently received a most welcome email from Eric Kincel of Vltor Weapons Systems, LLC, asking if we wanted to test and evaluate a few of his new Vltor Modular Firearms Buttstocks, also known as “Modstocks”. CCA’s purchasing people have been watching the semi-mythical Crane stocks from afar, and the Magpul MSS stock from a bit closer up, so our reaction was an enthusiastic “not just yes, but Hell, yes”.
The description he gave, plus the information on his site, www.Vltor.com, gave me a very good idea of what it was that we were going to be playing with. Vltor offers two main types of Modstocks, in two different configurations, collapsible and fixed Modstocks, available in both standard and clubfoot styles. Any attempt to re-describe the Modstocks in full would be both time consuming and self defeating…a picture is worth a thousand words, and you encouraged to go and view the diagrams of the stocks at the Vltor website. My impression of the features these stocks offer is potentially more valuable than a rehash of their features, in any case. The stocks arrived in nifty little padded boxes a few days after I sent my reply, with all the accessories neatly sealed in plastic, along with a most user friendly user manual. We pulled them out and went over them with a fine toothed comb, and I have to say, we liked what we came up with. The biggest difference on first sight between a Modstock and a standard stock, is the upper profile of the stock. The top of the Modstock is a much gentler, wider curve than that of a regular AR15/M16 stock. The wide curvature of the stock lends itself directly to the next innovation these stocks have to offer…they’re modular, as the name would suggest. The sides of the stock have a “gap” below the cheek weld/tube area, allowing the user to snap on either a battery compartment (for Surefire 3volt and similarly sized batteries, or anything else you can put in there), or a cheek weld adapter. The notch and tab alignment of these parts allow them to be moved backward and forwards on the stock, as the user desires, and then the shooter simply tightens down the screws that hold either the battery compartment or cheek weld adapter in place. Elegantly simple for something with such a wide range of potential add-ons. I personally put both battery compartments all the way forward, and never looked back. The sleekness with which both of these accessories fit into the overall outline of the stock is excellent. The buttstocks are injection molded from very tough and sturdy short glass nylon, currently offered in matte black and the seams and edges are all smooth and face friendly. The rifle length Modstock was mounted sans delay on an EA “test” lower, and it bolted down tight onto the gun without a hitch. I had the battery compartment on the left, the cheek weld adapter on the right. The cheek weld was nothing short of perfect, you just put your face to the stock, and your eyes, your face are right where they need to be. I picked up another rifle, with a standard A2 stock and shouldered it, the difference was enough to make my jaw drop. I never realized how unnatural of a fit an A2 stock is by comparison, until I shouldered a Modstock. The collapsible stock took a bit more work for us to mount, as they require a Colt/MilSpec collapsible buffer tube, evinced by the fact that they would not go on my RRA buffer tubes, despite all my best efforts. Fortunately, we located a gun with a factory Colt collapsible stock, and the fit was good. Not immovably tight, not rattling loose, but just right. When mounted on my personal Preban carbine, there was not a hint of rattle or wiggle in it. Enough of how they work in the office. We took these guns out where they belonged…the range. We went out, loaded mags, stepped up to the line, savored that cheekweld, and touched off about 50 rounds each. I found followup shots to be just a touch faster, since I didn’t have to attempt to reorient my face with the stock. It simply didn’t require as much effort to keep my face in place, and my eyes in line while using the Modstock. The rifle length stock made the firearm a good bit lighter than the A2, and the slightly-over A2 length of it made felt fine, actually more comfortable to shoulder. I shot the collapsible stock in a few different positions, mostly fully extended, and the cheek weld was more consistent than that of my RRA 6 position stock. When fully extended, if the shooter cranes his neck overly far, it is possible to move partway off of the Modstok’s cheekpiece, but I didn’t find this to be a problem, even with my nose quite close to the charging handle. Shooting with the Modstock is a pleasure. We took pictures, of course. At the end of the day, I am very pleased with the design, and the quality of the Vltor Modstocks. They are a quite an improvement over standard A2/M4 stocks, and at $120 for Rifle length, and $115 for the carbine length, they are quite competitive with existing stocks. I know I’m sold on them. Coal Creek Armory will be stocking them, count on it. Preorder now, and save 5% when they ship… Trevor Putnam (Juggernaut) CCA |
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Awesome write-up. It's nice to see different pictures of the stocks, especially with human contact.
Was the rifle stock easy to install? Were any other parts needed? By the way, you might want to tell your buddy that front spoiler of the Range Rover is about to fall off. [:)] LS |
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Quoted: Awesome write-up. It's nice to see different pictures of the stocks, especially with human contact. Was the rifle stock easy to install? Were any other parts needed? By the way, you might want to tell your buddy that front spoiler of the Range Rover is about to fall off. [:)] LS View Quote Yeah, as far as human contact goes, I wish we coulda shown pics of cross-shoulder transition drills, but we're just not high speed enough of operators to do that at a public range and get away with it.[:D] They got a good workout, though I'm thinking slinging up, and taking a nice long off-the-trail hike will let me know how they carry, and if they snag anywhere, which I don't expect them to. A good intensive 3 gun match would be another goood test of real life workability. I'm not done working with them, not by a long shot. The stocks were easy as pie to install, the only part I needed was an A2 spacer and buttstock screw, as I was replacing an A1 stock. Had I been replacing an a2 stock, these would have already been there. BTW, rereading my article, I should make it clear that these Modstocks are replacement furniture, not complete stocks. They use your existing buffer tube, buffer, spring, and other stocks parts. I'm seeing us possibly offering them complete as well as in their replacement form, once we place our order(and we will have them, be sure). And yeah, he needs to re-duct tape that spoiler back up there.[:D] J. |
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Quoted: ... I found followup shots to be just a touch faster, since I didn’t have to attempt to reorient my face with the stock. It simply didn’t require as much effort to keep my face in place, and my eyes in line while using the Modstock. ... View Quote If you hold the rifle properly, you'll find followups to be even faster.[flame] |
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Quoted: Quoted: ... I found followup shots to be just a touch faster, since I didn’t have to attempt to reorient my face with the stock. It simply didn’t require as much effort to keep my face in place, and my eyes in line while using the Modstock. ... View Quote If you hold the rifle properly, you'll find followups to be even faster.[flame] View Quote Actually, the technique of locking down and in on the magwell allows me to compensate for muzzle rise and recoil better than gripping the handguard with my support hand. For me, pulling the rifle down from muzzle rise is more easily accomplished with my support hand gripping the rifle vertically. A vertical foregrip would be good, but with an M500A on there, it wouldn't allow me to access the light easily. It works until I can get an M900, though. That's just me, though, and it's surely not the most accurate method of shooting, but it's solid and quick. Oh, and if you're referring to me pressing back on the clubfoot with my support hand, well, I wanted to see what that was all about, never tried that before. It would work well prone, but the ground was far too wet for that. J. |
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Quoted: ... but the ground was far too wet for that. J. View Quote So you've got a rifle with a $200+ light ass'y, $200+ sight system, BUIS, and a high speed stock, but the ground is too wet!? I made fire last night with a hand drill caveman style and that's the best you've got!? |
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Quoted: Quoted: ... but the ground was far too wet for that. J. View Quote So you've got a rifle with a $200+ light ass'y, $200+ sight system, BUIS, and a high speed stock, but the ground is too wet!? I made fire last night with a hand drill caveman style and that's the best you've got!? View Quote Brand new clothes, actually. Didn't feel like getting mud on them. I know, my dedication to my trade is so pathetic. I should probably be fired. I'll show you a few fire making tricks with flint and steel though, next time we get the chance, though. J. |
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Mine is on order. Should be here next week. Im going to beat the hell out of it and see how it holds up. [:D]
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Lumpy, Let us know if it goes on an Eagle receiver extension.
Mark |
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That was my sole complaint with my pre-ban Eagle carbine. It had an aluminum stock on it that was a sharp edged rattle trap. It got replaced back in the mid 90's with a Colt buffer tube and stock. Sorry, wont be able to evaluate that. My [b]GUESS[/b] would be that the stock should fit it, because at the time the nifty RRA and Bushmaster 6 position tubes that arent mil-spec didnt exist. Once again though, just a guess on the Eagle tube being mil-spec or close to.
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I was curious on the difference anyway? I think I heard that the Colt's might be a tad smaller. Once people start getting those stocks, I'm sure they'll post any issues.
Thanks Mark |
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I made some field expedient mods to it and it now has a different look [:)]
[img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid55/pce4eb4afd2fc359cba0b580e4e1556b5/fc7ef7b5.jpg[/img] |
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Duffy,
Im getting ready to put together another carbine upper with a TA31 on it. I go back and forth everytime deciding between the SIR and the RAS II. Your gun convinces me more and more everytime I see it. [:D] |
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hehe lumpy don't blame me when your significant other finds out [nuts]
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We're not married yet, shes not living with me, and she LOVES my AR's [:D]...AND she shoots her issue Glock 22 and 870 WELL.
We'll see what happens AFTER she gets the ring. |
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Quoted: I was curious on the difference anyway? I think I heard that the Colt's might be a tad smaller. Once people start getting those stocks, I'm sure they'll post any issues. View Quote FYI- I talked with a guy at Vltor, according to him, the non-milspec/Colt buffer tubes are larger then the milspec/Colt buffer tubes. I guess the Colt tube measures at 1.150 inches and the aftermarket tubes measure 1.187 inches? LS |
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Ok, Will it just be a very tight fit, and still work? A friend has a Crane stock on his Bushy, it's tight, but still slides with a little help.
Mark |
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Quoted: Ok, Will it just be a very tight fit, and still work? A friend has a Crane stock on his Bushy, it's tight, but still slides with a little help. Mark View Quote NO. It won't. I tried. Took me 20 minutes to get it back off, with brass hammer, rubber mallet, extra buffer tube and all. Don't even waste your time trying to get it on a non-Colt/MilSpec tube, it will just get stuck and piss you off. It won't move. On the other hand, it was good test of the stock's durability, because it didn't break... J. |
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Y'all shoulda just climbed up on the SUV and shot prone from the roof.
From here it looks like a whole platoon could fit up there! [;D] |
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Quoted: Y'all shoulda just climbed up on the SUV and shot prone from the roof. From here it looks like a whole platoon could fit up there! [;D] View Quote Actually about 10 feet back and to their right there is a table and a few chairs. I know, I was shooting off that table earlier today.... And he still hasn't fixed the spoiler on the Range Rover. Jonathan |
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EXCELLENT
Only had one complaint...that 1" sling swivel really needs to be replaced with at 1 1/4". My Giles 3point used to be on a GG&G sling thing on the stock. I just took the 1" adaptor strap from another Giles carbine sling and ran it through the 1" QD swivel and left it loose so the sling moves freely like it should. Works great. Other than that, its GREAT. Rattle free in the stock and the latch. The accessories bolt on TIGHT. [img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=9313[/img] |
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Great review
Check your IM for a "suggestion" on future range tests. X |
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Quoted: Great review Check your IM for a "suggestion" on future range tests. X View Quote Checking my IM's is against my religion. [:D] J. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Great review Check your IM for a "suggestion" on future range tests. X View Quote Checking my IM's is against my religion. [:D] You're gonna pay for that smart ass remark - "Funny Boy". J. View Quote |
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Quoted: Quoted: Y'all shoulda just climbed up on the SUV and shot prone from the roof. From here it looks like a whole platoon could fit up there! [;D] View Quote Actually about 10 feet back and to their right there is a table and a few chairs. I know, I was shooting off that table earlier today.... And he still hasn't fixed the spoiler on the Range Rover. Jonathan View Quote I fixed the spoiler just the other day. Took about two seconds and a foot of duct tape. |
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It's about time!!!
Now what are we going to complain about?[>:/] |
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Quoted: It's about time!!! Now what are we going to complain about?[>:/] View Quote Believe me, there's [url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=178747]plenty[/url] to complain about [:D] Jonathan |
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Shameless Bump from "Funny Boy" to say that [url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=161904]WE GOT 'EM IN![/url]
That will be all...[:D] J. |
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Is the Vltor stock as long as the new colt stock or the Crane stock?
Can it take the punishment of M203? |
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Yes and Yes
Its as well made and durable as any stock in production. |
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It is the same length as those stocks as far as we can tell.
From the punishment we gave our tester, I would say it can stand tall against anything you put it through without even a little whimper. |
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Will someone in the Xanadau family take a picture of Juggernaut getting snatched bald headed?
Thanks. |
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I just discovered something cool with the Vltor stock. Im running a Giles single point sling on the GG&G adaptor. By installing a Knights 1 1/4" swivel on the stock and running the single point sling through that as well as the sling plate, I still have all the advantages of the single point (no forward portion in the way of controls, less sling near the buttstock), but with some improvements. Its more stable when moving, it stays out of the way when placed behind the back or swung to the offside to clear for a handgun transition.
One more reason to like this stock for me. [img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=13764[/img] |
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I noticed the "colt/military" style extension will only work with this, would it work with a Bushmaster one??
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Does the push button swivel work in any of the Knights push button swivel mounts? Are they interchangeable?
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Quoted: Does the push button swivel work in any of the Knights push button swivel mounts? Are they interchangeable? View Quote Yes, they are interchangeable... Any Uncle Mike's 1" or 1 1/4" QD swivel will work in either product(s). Hope this helps, havoc |
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Quoted: I noticed the "colt/military" style extension will only work with this, would it work with a Bushmaster one?? View Quote Bushmaster extensions are aftermarket, only Colt and Mil Issue tubes will fit. We hope to have our hands on a batch of Colt-Spec tubes soon. Havoc, thanks for clearing that up, I was just about to call Eric Kinckel at Vltor and get that answered... J. |
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Anybody know when the new A1 length rifle stock will be available? Short arms, manboobs, and heavy coats make A2 stocks kinda long for me...
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Update -
I fired off an email to Vltor Saturday AM, and they replied last night. An A1 length stock is already out, in clubfoot only. A1 on a rifle tube, and A1 or A1 + 1" on a tele tube. He said they're available now - I'll try ordering one this week. |
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Okay, for the unitiated...what's the difference between a "mil spec" receiver extension, and an aftermarket one? I guess if I want to put one of these on a post ban rifle, I need a new buffer tube? Not a complete disaster, since I have a built lower minus the tube...so I just have to order a mil spec/colt one. Are you guys gonna get any in?
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The post-ban stock will work on non-Colt tubes.
The pre-ban won't. Yours will. Order when ready. We have all parts needed to satisfy. |
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Just checked your website and couldn't find any mention of the Colt-spec receiver extensions (I have a pre-ban PWA lower).
Would you have a package price for a collapsible standard Modstock kit and carbine-length receiver extension? |
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Lumpy, why did you change to the Knight's swivel over the one included with the Vltor- Was it too small? (I forget the size of the Uncle Mike's it comes with).
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Lumpy196 what a good idea as soon I got my stock I did what you did running the single point sling through the swivel. I like it. Now it is a two point sling, or not.
Richard |
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Quoted: Lumpy, why did you change to the Knight's swivel over the one included with the Vltor- Was it too small? (I forget the size of the Uncle Mike's it comes with). View Quote The original Vltor sling swivelswere 1", a bit small for many slings. The new Vltor sling swivels are 1-1/4", and the Vltors we have inbound to us will have them[:D] J. |
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Does this mean I can send the 1" back that I bought from you this past Saturday and trade it for a 1-1/4"?
By the way... Great customer service at Coal Creek. I call them ahead of time and they came in an opened up on a Saturday morning just for me! bcr308 |
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