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Posted: 12/15/2020 2:08:01 AM EDT
I have been sorting through a bunch of magazines that belong to my father. All of the magazines that I have previously been finding are preban Colt 30rd magazines without any external markings. They just have the typical "K2 and 02" month codes on the insides. They are all well used and were supposedly southeast Asian military surplus. Today, I found about a dozen magazines completely devoid of any markings. The bodies have no markings, inside or out and the floorplates are also totally blank. I know some of you will think that these were probably just put together, but I don't think that is the case. These magazines haven't been touched in decades and all of the magazines have some very unique features. They all have the same silver color, diagonal-horizontal lines from the stamping process, a well defined and narrow magazine catch protrusion, a blank floorplate and you can also see two circular markings on the side. One is visible about an inch below the magazine catch and the other is about 3 inches directly below that.

The horizontal-diagonal lines remind me very much of a well used Adventure line magazine. The magazine catch shape is also very similar. Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas?





Link Posted: 12/15/2020 9:02:03 AM EDT
HAMID
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 10:01:38 PM EDT
Nobody has any thoughts?
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 10:06:15 PM EDT
That’s strange. I’ve not seen any like that before.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 10:24:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 10:54:04 PM EDT
My adventure line base plate looks different than what is pictured.  Looks more similar to la belle
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Link Posted: 12/17/2020 12:05:46 AM EDT
I have seen Adventure Line floorplates with different shape/size indents at the back. I really don't think they were changed. If the floorplates were changed, it happened very long ago. Their features and condition is just so consistent.
Link Posted: 12/18/2020 12:16:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2021 11:06:22 PM EDT by j3_]
Getting ready to change into someone more comfortable. Name changes coming.
Link Posted: 12/18/2020 1:24:07 PM EDT
Those are interesting. I'm no expert on pre-ban magazine, but I've never seen a brand other than Center Industries that had completely blank floorplates. The round markings below the magazine catch hole (some mags show a second one farther down that same rib) are also something I've never seen (or maybe just never noticed).
Link Posted: 12/18/2020 6:27:19 PM EDT
I am going to go with LaBelle....Ihad some back when and no markings....were purchased brand new from a good dealer, with good feedback....he is not longer in business, was in either in OK or CO
Link Posted: 12/19/2020 3:58:53 PM EDT
.gov contract from some country that didn't want to have them traced back.

Anyone know if norinco marked their baseplates? They have been making the CQ for public consumption since the 80's and we're probably making some in the 60's-70's as the colts were picked up in vietnam.
Link Posted: 12/20/2020 1:54:30 AM EDT
The little marking is suspiciously close to where a rivet would be for a 10 round limiter. Have you attempted to load any of these mags? Could be ban era 10/30 mags??
Link Posted: 12/21/2020 12:32:40 AM EDT
They are definitely not riveted.
Link Posted: 12/21/2020 3:09:14 AM EDT
I took a second look at the inside of the magazine this evening. There are no markings inside either. I looked at what the circular area looks like inside the magazine and there is a very faint circular impression and that is it.
Link Posted: 1/1/2021 3:13:29 AM EDT
Those are a great find to refurbish. All you need is some new followers, springs, and some Perma Slik and you are in business. A couple of years ago I rebuilt a bunch of old magazines just like those and they came out like they came out of the factory
Link Posted: 1/1/2021 4:08:32 AM EDT
My suggestion would be to get those into the hands of Patriots in Massachusetts.  Pre-bans are the only ones they can possess in the presence of quislings.
Link Posted: 1/2/2021 6:01:34 PM EDT
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My suggestion would be to get those into the hands of Patriots in Massachusetts.  Pre-bans are the only ones they can possess in the presence of quislings.
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Why do you think they are pre-ban?
Link Posted: 1/2/2021 6:23:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nehi:  Why do you think they are pre-ban?
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Black followers is generally the 1st clue.

ETA:  2nd clue is lack of 1994 or later date codes.
Link Posted: 1/2/2021 11:17:22 PM EDT
So it is fair to assume that these are CIA contract magazines for clandestine use, right?

Just kidding, I also assume that they are preban given the lack of date or military, law enforcement, export markings; however, it is possible that they could have been manufactured overseas at any point in time. The 1994 AWB wouldn't have affected anything outside of the US.

Link Posted: 1/2/2021 11:41:49 PM EDT
Blank floorplates make me think Center Industries.
Link Posted: 1/3/2021 3:20:05 AM EDT
I also thought Center Industries when I saw they were blank. Adventure Line was purchased by Parsons Precision Products which was purchased by Center Industries. Maybe there is a connection there.

I also went through my Preban magazine collection and specifically looked at the followers. The followers in these unknown magazines were almost identical to Adventure Line magazines. The mold mark was in the exact same location. I also looked at Colt, DPMS, FN Cooper, General Stampings and Okay. Each of these had unique mold mark locations on the bottom of the follower. Interestingly, all the Unknown magazines had the mold marks 1, 2, 6 and 7. I assumed I would find 1-7 in a somewhat even distribution but I didn’t.

I’ve also attached a comparative picture of excellent condition Adventure Line magazines to the unknown magazines. The horizontal stamping imperfections are extremely similar.

I have reasonable confidence these magazines were made by Adventure Line, Parsons Precision Products or Center Industries. Since Center Industries is still around, do you think anyone might have documents related to the company history and old contracts?






Link Posted: 1/3/2021 12:36:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/25/2021 1:15:22 PM EDT
So far, I've inspected about 1,500 magazines from the lot that these magazines came from. All were purchased from the same distributor a while back. Almost all were Colt with the except of about 40-50 of these unknown magazines that I believe were made by Adventure Line. To make matters more interesting, I found the first and only Adventure Line magazine this weekend. The finish is very poor, just like the unknown magazines. It also had a broken spring that had been repaired. I've never seen this before and I thought it would be very interesting for everyone to see.

Link Posted: 1/25/2021 1:53:33 PM EDT
Hamid is an Arabic name, but the user wrote it in European script, not squiggles.

Make a chart of countries with significant Muslim population where the Western alphabet is in standard use and the M16 was commonly issued decades ago.

Then you still won't know, but you can make wild-ass guesses for fun.

I vote Phillipines.
Link Posted: 1/25/2021 2:10:17 PM EDT
Definitely not Center, they have two spot welds at the top and bottom.
Link Posted: 1/25/2021 6:56:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/26/2021 12:04:22 AM EDT
My vote was for Jordan, Malaysia or the Philippines. Wherever they came from, they were generally very well used. I'll continue to work on my mystery as I sort through more magazines. Everything had normal English/Latin alphabet markings and western (arabic) numerals ex: 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.
Link Posted: 1/26/2021 11:42:08 AM EDT
Those magazines look just like the ones brought in by a local importer a year or 2 ago.  Mostare Colt; from what I saw they were all USGI contract & were well used.

Came in along with AUG & M16A1 kits plus some H&K stuff.  Imported from Malaysia.
Link Posted: 1/28/2021 1:19:13 AM EDT
Center Industries maybe?

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