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Posted: 8/11/2004 9:49:23 PM EST
Simple question: When the AWB dies, go for the Beta C-Mag for an AR-15 at the $250 price or not? The only assumptions are that you have an AR15 of some flavor and do not currently have a Beta C-Mag.

Vote on the poll and discuss!

Dawg
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 10:10:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/11/2004 10:11:17 PM EST by chrome1]
Wheres :

O - Can't get a beta C Mag Because my state sucks
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 10:12:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By chrome1:
Wheres :

0 Can't get a beta C Mag Because my state sucks



Doh! OK, that would have been something good to have in the poll: "Live in a state with a mag capacity ban"

If you live in a state that wouldn't allow it, please dont' vote in the poll, or vote as though you have the option to get one.

Dawg
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 11:21:00 PM EST
I've decided to go ahead and get one.

Lets see... I need:

New Barrel
New Collapsing Stock
New Front Sight Post
New Aimpoint
New Aimpoint Mount
New Magazines (5 at least)
New Beta-C

I need a sugar mama!
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 12:45:07 AM EST
well I do live in CA, but have family in Missouri. I have them buy me cool stuff and then when I go visit I get play with it, I cant wait till I move to Arizona and get to go pick it all up. And yes i will have a beta-c mag waitign for me next time I fly out there.
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 4:39:45 AM EST
It's novelty JUNK. It would be a Great match with an Olympic Arms Rifle.
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 5:04:59 AM EST
Every C-Mag that I've ever used ran great, without a hiccup.
They can be a bit heavy when fully loaded.
Excellent for full-auto, with the gun on a bipod.
Doesn't lock the bolt open on the last round.

For the new upcoming low prices, I think it is a good item.
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 5:24:33 AM EST
AR15's are designed to be fast and accurate. 30 rounds should be more than enough. Why weigh a carbine down with ammo. Carry extra mags on your vest. Plus, if 30-rounds can't get you out of a fix, chances are you'll be gone long before you and your extra 60 rounds can run away.

If you just want to unload at the range, by all means, spend the extra money for it!
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 5:35:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/12/2004 5:35:57 AM EST by dpmmn]
IF I was going to get one, which I seriouslt doubt I would, The only thing it would be good for is prairie dog hunting where it could be used on a bench set up. Other than that I would say it would be a waste of money
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 7:27:56 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 9:31:38 AM EST
Got two drums now that I don't use. Too heavy when loaded. Magazines are much better. Drums are for cool factor only.
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 10:05:42 AM EST
I was at an emma gee shoot this weekend. Fitted by 614 with a 10.5" shorty upper and a c-mag. Mag dumps where awesome: like cheap women - LOUD, FLASHY and FAST and like good sex - 100 rounds lasts a lot longer than 30.

Mag ran great, after a few reloads we did need to use the graphite dry lube. For $250 I think it would be great for full auto range use.
Link Posted: 8/13/2004 9:05:01 AM EST
Yep what MrPink said, If ya never shot one you really can't comment, it will make your sticker peck up
Link Posted: 8/13/2004 9:56:49 AM EST
I won't get one.

I would much prefer getting 10-20, 30 round mags. That way I could afford to lose a mag.... Think about it, 1-100 round mag jams you're out 100 rounds. 1-30 round mag jams- your out 30 rounds and can easily grab another 30. As to the fire-power aspect of it, 100 round in a single Beta C vs. 300-600 rounds in 10-20, 30 round mags.

The only reason I would get a Beta is the cool factor. Maybe one day I'll change my mind but in the mean time I'll stick with 20s & 30s. This is obviously a big case of "To each his own".

Sly
Link Posted: 8/13/2004 2:14:23 PM EST
Damn, absolute 50-50 split on the vote so far! That wasn't what I was expecting at all.
Link Posted: 8/13/2004 2:25:14 PM EST
Over the last few years, the prices on C-Mags have been ridiculous, so there has been some resentment over that.
Alot of people talk themselves out of buying one, because it was very expensive, and there's all kinds of "reasons" that can be thought-up to justify not spending the money.
But soon, they will be reasonable again, and I think you'll see alot more people using them at this lower price.
They DO work, and they ARE fun.
And they do look REALLY COOL!
But, it is really best for full auto use, and is marginal for semi-auto use.
The two biggest drawbacks are the loaded weight, and no last round bolt -hold-open.
If you keep it reasonably clean, and periodically lube it with graphite, it will run like the daylights.
Link Posted: 8/13/2004 5:27:45 PM EST
I'm getting 4 and I don't give a damn if they work or not. One will be to play with and when the ban comes back and is even worse, and the prices of those mags go through the roof, then I'll sell and cry all the way to the bank. If it goes like most of my "investments" and the AWB never comes back, you all can thank me then and I will gladly eat $1000 to never have to worry about magazine capacity and other stupid stuff that makes up the current AWB.
Link Posted: 8/13/2004 6:11:46 PM EST
I think I rather have the equivalent price of a Beta-C in USGI 30's (which should net me at least 10). I'm a cheapskate...I have to look at the $/round loaded ratio (which is like 2.5 for the Beta and 0.8 for the USGIs). The lower the ratio, the better.
Link Posted: 8/13/2004 11:56:14 PM EST
I'll be getting at least one. Why?

1. Because I can.
2. It's bound to piss at least one person off.
Link Posted: 8/14/2004 12:25:57 AM EST
would like to get one but for $250 I can buy 21 of the 30rd usgi mags around here, as for the cool factor .... well it would only be worth it if I had a class three rifle, also I can't see mags getting any cheaper after the ban as all the suppliers are getting what they want for them now, and if kerry gets elected he's already said that he's going to enforce the ban again and make it harder to get the surplus ones, so I'm buying rebuild kits for the mags I've got.
Link Posted: 8/14/2004 3:47:37 AM EST
Got one on preorder status...30 more days Got plenty of NIW 30 rounders, so the Beta C was the next logical choice...
Link Posted: 8/14/2004 4:01:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/14/2004 4:06:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
It's novelty JUNK. It would be a Great match with an Olympic Arms Rifle.



Could you elaborate further?

What has been your personal experience that could have brought you to that conclusion?
Link Posted: 8/14/2004 6:03:52 AM EST
Drop a Beta on a hard surface and watch it break. No thanks. I'll stick with my 20 and 30rd mags for my AR. Even on FA, the idea is not to pray and spray, so THAT novelty will wear off quickly of having to lug all the extra weight around. A good chest pouch and plenty of mags is all anyone needs.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 4:54:18 PM EST
Ok! Fine! I won't get one then!
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 5:02:47 PM EST
I'm on my second beta, never had a malf or broken anything yet. I havent dropped it off a rooftop onto concrete either. If I were doing any **serious** work maybe not but like 99.9% of everyone else my **serious** is limited to plinking and the beta is great. Heavy, rattles, always works. Love em.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 6:49:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 12:47:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:

Originally Posted By DOA:
Drop a Beta on a hard surface and watch it break. No thanks. I'll stick with my 20 and 30rd mags for my AR. Even on FA, the idea is not to pray and spray, so THAT novelty will wear off quickly of having to lug all the extra weight around. A good chest pouch and plenty of mags is all anyone needs.



You drop YOUR Beta and watch it break....you can watch me sell my $240 Beta at a gunshow in 5 years for $1000 if they ban them permanently.




I dont think anyone in their right mind would ever pay $1000 for a silly drum mag.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 12:54:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:

Originally Posted By DOA:
Drop a Beta on a hard surface and watch it break. No thanks. I'll stick with my 20 and 30rd mags for my AR. Even on FA, the idea is not to pray and spray, so THAT novelty will wear off quickly of having to lug all the extra weight around. A good chest pouch and plenty of mags is all anyone needs.



You drop YOUR Beta and watch it break....you can watch me sell my $240 Beta at a gunshow in 5 years for $1000 if they ban them permanently.




I dont think anyone in their right mind would ever pay $1000 for a silly drum mag.



+1
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 6:23:57 PM EST
I sold my Beta for $600 several months ago.

I'm going to be buying 4 more!
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 6:37:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/19/2004 6:37:45 PM EST by Wolfpack]
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 6:56:12 PM EST
I don't see any reason why they would NOT reach $1K or even higher if a permanent ban comes out. Crap, I saw several sell in the last year for over $700 and that was when the ban had a sunset date. Granted, most did not think it would, but if made permanent with no sunset possible, in a few years people will be thinking $1K is cheap for a C-mag. I remember when a M-16 was $1K and only wish I had bought 4 or 5 of them then. Look at what a used, beat up M-16 brings now. Hardly anybody ever would have thought that even a year or two AFTER the 86 ban.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 9:44:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/21/2004 9:44:42 AM EST by Dawg180]

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:

Originally Posted By DOA:
Drop a Beta on a hard surface and watch it break. No thanks. I'll stick with my 20 and 30rd mags for my AR. Even on FA, the idea is not to pray and spray, so THAT novelty will wear off quickly of having to lug all the extra weight around. A good chest pouch and plenty of mags is all anyone needs.



You drop YOUR Beta and watch it break....you can watch me sell my $240 Beta at a gunshow in 5 years for $1000 if they ban them permanently.




I dont think anyone in their right mind would ever pay $1000 for a silly drum mag.



Uh-huh, because back in 1984 when you could get a full auto M16 for $1600, no one in the future would EVER pay $11,000 for one when they were banned from new manufacture, right?
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 9:45:34 AM EST
tagged...
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 9:31:39 AM EST
I got two, one still in wrapper, unopened...

Great fun at the range, and it lets you get prone with more ammo, easier. Try going prone and staying low with a 30 in the magwell.

Yep, it's heavy and noisy.

Another upshot is that you can load it all the way up and store it loaded, and it'll be ready to go whenever you need it. It doesn't take a set, like other drums do when they're loaded and ready to go for months at a time. Last time I loaded it up and left it, it sat loaded for a year. Took it out and emptied it without a single problem.

I'm actually considering selling the unopened one, cause I never used it and don't see a reason why I would...NY residents only need apply, as other states get cheap/new ones post-ban

(and yes, real ones come with documentation stating their manufacture date; this one has that card as well..)
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:45:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Great fun at the range, and it lets you get prone with more ammo, easier. Try going prone and staying low with a 30 in the magwell.




That's what 20rd mags are for.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 4:11:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By DOA:

Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Great fun at the range, and it lets you get prone with more ammo, easier. Try going prone and staying low with a 30 in the magwell.




That's what 20rd mags are for.



Yah, but that's only 20...this is 5x that

Talk about a designated marksman...
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 5:57:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 8:33:50 PM EST by JustL00king]
I want a backpack magazine with a flexable feed chute that holds 2,000+ rounds of ammo.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 11:13:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
It's novelty JUNK. It would be a Great match with an Olympic Arms Rifle.



I use to have a beta and Olympic rifle...Don't have either one now.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 7:53:51 PM EST
beta mags are overrated. Its definitely not worth the price tag.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 8:21:40 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 4:23:06 PM EST
You never priced a Thompson drum mag then


Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:

Originally Posted By DOA:
Drop a Beta on a hard surface and watch it break. No thanks. I'll stick with my 20 and 30rd mags for my AR. Even on FA, the idea is not to pray and spray, so THAT novelty will wear off quickly of having to lug all the extra weight around. A good chest pouch and plenty of mags is all anyone needs.



You drop YOUR Beta and watch it break....you can watch me sell my $240 Beta at a gunshow in 5 years for $1000 if they ban them permanently.




I dont think anyone in their right mind would ever pay $1000 for a silly drum mag.

Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:22:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cerebus:
I'll be getting at least one. Why?

1. Because I can.
2. It's bound to piss at least one person off.



I like the way you think. i have no need for one. i have no full auto guns. but i also have no reason not to have one.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:24:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2004 4:43:03 PM EST by Mr45auto]
As soon as I can I'm ordering at least one of each available. Maybe 2 for the MP5. Dont own one ....yet.... ;)

I've had 2 for AR's, still have one of them. Both have been 100% reliable in my rifles.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:49:53 PM EST
I'd say don't get one but qualify it with "Yet". If the mfg comes down to a more reasonable price ($100-150), I'd seriously think about it. As far as kewl factors go, a pile of loaded 30-rounders ain't nothin' to snicker at.....hippie.gif
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:37:43 PM EST
Sold mine for $600bucks! It wouldn't function 100% so I sold it. It only cost me $240.00, no harm done.

Cool factor or investment speculation, go for it. Personally I'd rather have 25 USGI mags!

teamroper2004
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:58:04 AM EST
Everybody needs at least one Beta C mag
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:40:37 AM EST
During almost the entire ban, I wanted one, but not for what the going price was. Now, I feel it's just a waste of money and ammo. I don't bump fire my AR and I am buying several new formally restricted 30's. I'll probably get one if the price drops further as an investment.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 11:51:23 AM EST
I think it looks really cool, and it would be a lot of fun at the range, I also plan on getting ten 30 rounders and ten 40 rounders.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:23:21 PM EST
i've never used one personally but i have seen 2 other people using them and from what i have seen they aren't reliable. i spent $161 on 14 new 30 round mags right here in the EE . thats 420 rounds of capacity.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:53:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 5:54:15 PM EST by KurtVF]
Evil Ed.....One year??? One year????? I can hold my breath for that long. Come on!! Some guy a few years ago shot some .45 1911 mags he loaded right after WWII. (they worked flawlessly) Wait at least a decade or two!!
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