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Posted: 12/12/2010 3:40:10 PM EDT
What's you thought on Saber Defense Barrels , I was thinking of the 14.5" midlength gas. Are they any good?
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 3:42:42 PM EDT
[#1]
Ive heard sabre barrels are great
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 3:43:09 PM EDT
[#2]
I've heard good things, looking forward to hearing from Saber owners.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 4:19:26 PM EDT
[#3]
they are top tier barrels. Some of the best on the market (have owned 2 and still have them. A carbine 16" and a Midlength 16") Planning on getting a 20"

the thunder cat roll mark is pretty badass too
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 4:45:37 PM EDT
[#4]
I have a 16" M4 govt profile and its the most accurate chromelined barrel I have,Sabre Defence is good stuff.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 5:07:22 PM EDT
[#5]
have two now, just picked up a 14.5 middy gas barreled upper for cheap, and its a ringer.  i don't use anything else with my builds anymore.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 5:37:15 PM EDT
[#6]
wounder why more people on here dont use them?
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 5:42:41 PM EDT
[#7]
For the money I think there are better barrels out there.  I am dissapointed in my 20" SD to say the least.  

This is just my opinion so don't go all ape s&%t on me guys.

Read my 2nd post in this thread.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=519703&page=1#i4895893
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 5:44:37 PM EDT
[#8]
sabre is one of those best kept secret brands, they dont do much advertising, and right now dont really need the extra demand from the commercial market considering they recently got a contract for M16s for the Marines and NAVY, but alot of shooters do use them, I'm surprised more people havent responded (
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 5:45:40 PM EDT
[#9]
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wounder why more people on here dont use them?


I dont think there stuff is as readily avaible for some reason. I cant remember when the last time I saw Sabre middy barrels in stock at BCM

Link Posted: 12/12/2010 5:46:35 PM EDT
[#10]
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For the money I think there are better barrels out there.  I am dissapointed in my 20" SD to say the least.  

This is just my opinion so don't go all ape s&%t on me guys.

Read my 2nd post in this thread.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=519703&page=1#i4895893


Thats unfortunate there pal but like you said YMMV. Could have just been a bad barrel, theres always one to slip QC
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 5:47:22 PM EDT
[#11]
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wounder why more people on here dont use them?


I dont think there stuff is as readily avaible for some reason. I cant remember when the last time I saw Sabre middy barrels in stock at BCM



theyre readily available at Rainer and PK
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 5:50:23 PM EDT
[#12]
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wounder why more people on here dont use them?


I dont think there stuff is as readily avaible for some reason. I cant remember when the last time I saw Sabre middy barrels in stock at BCM



theyre readily available at Rainer and PK


I actually have an upper that was built by PK that uses a Sabre barrel. She is a great shooter

Link Posted: 12/12/2010 5:58:43 PM EDT
[#13]
I've got a 24" Sabre Defence barreled upper and it is by far the most accurate AR I own. It's scary how well this thing shoots.



This 5 shot, 100yd group measured .232" center to center using 69gr Sierra Matchkings. Obviously this was the best group of the day, but it will consistantly shoot 1/2 MOA.



Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:02:27 PM EDT
[#14]
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For the money I think there are better barrels out there.  I am dissapointed in my 20" SD to say the least.  

This is just my opinion so don't go all ape s&%t on me guys.

Read my 2nd post in this thread.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=519703&page=1#i4895893


Thats unfortunate there pal but like you said YMMV. Could have just been a bad barrel, theres always one to slip QC


True.  That could be it.  But I'm not a rich man and an experience like that leaves a bad taste in your mouth.  My two BCM barrels have been great so thats where my hard earned money will continue to flow.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:02:43 PM EDT
[#15]
Have not had anything but great experience with them.  However, I think the reason you don't see more of them mentioned is because they are still charging Obama prices when there are comparable barrels out being sold now that are half of what they want.  If you find a good deal on one, I would not turn it down.  My $0.02
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:03:54 PM EDT
[#16]
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I've got a 24" Sabre Defence barreled upper and it is by far the most accurate AR I own. It's scary how well this thing shoots.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/rg1110ar/DSCN0946.jpg

This 5 shot, 100yd group measured .232" center to center using 69gr Sierra Matchkings. Obviously this was the best group of the day, but it will consistantly shoot 1/2 MOA.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/rg1110ar/DSCN0943.jpg




I have the same barrel.  Mine is very accurate as well.  Were those hand loads you were shooting?
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:11:38 PM EDT
[#17]
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I've got a 24" Sabre Defence barreled upper and it is by far the most accurate AR I own. It's scary how well this thing shoots.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/rg1110ar/DSCN0946.jpg

This 5 shot, 100yd group measured .232" center to center using 69gr Sierra Matchkings. Obviously this was the best group of the day, but it will consistantly shoot 1/2 MOA.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/rg1110ar/DSCN0943.jpg




I have the same barrel.  Mine is very accurate as well.  Were those hand loads you were shooting?


Yeah, they were handlods.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:21:17 PM EDT
[#18]
I've got one of their very first midlength uppers. It's accurate but what's more impressive is the weapon has never had a single malfunction.

Here's a picture from when this AR was newish. 2005?
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:27:44 PM EDT
[#19]
picked up a new 14.5 mid length for $185 shipped to me on EE. Good start to a new build .
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:30:52 PM EDT
[#20]
I heard they made the REC 7 for barrett
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:32:44 PM EDT
[#21]
The one I have seen and shot was very well made and shot very well.  My friend has two rifles one a DPMS and one a Sabre and it puts the DPMS to shame on accuracy and precision.  My Lothar Walther barrel shots nearly exact groups as the Sabre.

I give them a +1 vote on my end.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:49:26 PM EDT
[#22]
awesome barrels in my experience
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 7:28:57 PM EDT
[#23]
I had a 20" and it was really picky on bullets, I wanted to shoot 55's out of it for Pdogs but I had to slow them way down to get any kind of decent group.  It shot 68gn Hornady's ok but didn't like 69gn Noslers, 77's were ok but not what I wanted to shoot with it.  None were great or even what I would consider good out of a $300+ (I think)barrel.  I've shot a lot of other barrels that performed way better.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 7:32:53 PM EDT
[#24]
Good but overpriced IMO. You can get a BCM or CHF DD for $100 less.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 7:47:24 PM EDT
[#25]
I picked up one in a trade a few years back and it was the best thing I ever traded for. It's a 18" stainless, fluted, middy and when I had a scope on it would do 1/2 MOA or less when I did my part It now wears a red dot but will still out shoot me.


Link Posted: 12/12/2010 8:51:07 PM EDT
[#26]
Tagging this post.  I ordered one last week (20" 5.56mm) and when I receive it I will inspect the bore and chamber and give an initial report.  As other people have already stated, they now have a gov't contract so they must be doing at least one thing right.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 8:22:12 AM EDT
[#27]
Update:

I received my 20" Sabre barrel today.  The quality is outstanding.  This is bar none the finest made A2 gov't rifle barrel I have ever seen.  Bore looks great, external contouring looks great, finish is incredible, and the attention to detail is very impressive.  This is a great barrel guys.

Link Posted: 12/14/2010 9:20:39 AM EDT
[#28]
A picture speaks volumes...18" midlength stainless fluted barrel

Link Posted: 12/14/2010 10:19:14 AM EDT
[#29]
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A picture speaks volumes...18" midlength stainless fluted barrel

http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae316/stangluvr04/gun%20stuff/100_0805_2.jpg


Nice work.  Looks like without that flyer you would have come in at around .60".  What is the twist rate on your barrel...I assume 1:7.7 or 1:8?
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 10:20:47 AM EDT
[#30]
I used a 20" govt. on my M16A4 build it rocks.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 10:36:48 AM EDT
[#31]
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I used a 20" govt. on my M16A4 build it rocks.


Same here.  Sabre barrels are GTG.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 11:43:55 AM EDT
[#32]
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I've got a 24" Sabre Defence barreled upper and it is by far the most accurate AR I own. It's scary how well this thing shoots.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/rg1110ar/DSCN0946.jpg

This 5 shot, 100yd group measured .232" center to center using 69gr Sierra Matchkings. Obviously this was the best group of the day, but it will consistantly shoot 1/2 MOA.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/rg1110ar/DSCN0943.jpg




I have the same barrel.  Mine is very accurate as well.  Were those hand loads you were shooting?


I also have that same barrel. It is by far the most accurate AR I own. As said above, it is scary how impressive it consistently shoots.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 11:56:05 AM EDT
[#33]
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Good but overpriced IMO. You can get a BCM or CHF DD for $100 less.


This.

You can get a DD CHF upper for $349 from Smartgunner.

Sabre had their chance but chose to offer a very limited amount of product to the civilian market.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 1:11:37 PM EDT
[#34]
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Good but overpriced IMO. You can get a BCM or CHF DD for $100 less.


This.

You can get a DD CHF upper for $349 from Smartgunner.

Sabre had their chance but chose to offer a very limited amount of product to the civilian market.


DD barrels stop at 16", for one thing.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 1:12:56 PM EDT
[#35]
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Good but overpriced IMO. You can get a BCM or CHF DD for $100 less.


This.

You can get a DD CHF upper for $349 from Smartgunner.

Sabre had their chance but chose to offer a very limited amount of product to the civilian market.


I just got a Sabre 16" SS Fluted for $289 from PK.  Doesn't seem overpriced to me.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 1:26:00 PM EDT
[#36]
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Good but overpriced IMO. You can get a BCM or CHF DD for $100 less.


This.

You can get a DD CHF upper for $349 from Smartgunner.

Sabre had their chance but chose to offer a very limited amount of product to the civilian market.


I just got a Sabre 16" SS Fluted for $289 from PK.  Doesn't seem overpriced to me.


Exactly.




To compare a Sabre SS barrel to a BCM SS barrel or DD or BCM CHF barrel is not even rational, you're comparing a bicycle to a motorcycle...
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 2:09:24 PM EDT
[#37]
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they are top tier barrels. Some of the best on the market (have owned 2 and still have them. A carbine 16" and a Midlength 16") Planning on getting a 20"

the thunder cat roll mark is pretty badass too


You ain't gonna get the Thunder Cat logo on their parts, only on complete guns.
I have a few of their lowers and they have the shitty dot matrix lettering and I have seen their parts barrels with the same.
As a matter of fact, the dot matrix on the barrels was hard to read it was so shitty.

It is a great barrel, but a don't expect a Thunder Cat.





Bill
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 3:06:21 PM EDT
[#38]
Who cares about a "Thunder Cat"???  I want tight groups.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 3:15:32 PM EDT
[#39]
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Who cares about a "Thunder Cat"???  I want tight groups.


Post a range report when you are done with the build ?
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 3:22:59 PM EDT
[#40]
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Who cares about a "Thunder Cat"???  I want tight groups.


Post a range report when you are done with the build ?


Will do.  Thunder Cat roooooooooar!
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 3:35:05 PM EDT
[#41]



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Tagging this post.  I ordered one last week (20" 5.56mm) and when I receive it I will inspect the bore and chamber and give an initial report.  As other people have already stated, they now have a gov't contract so they must be doing at least one thing right.
Sabre had Gov't contracts long before the M16A4 contract.  Sabre has .mil contracts to build barrels for the M2, M60, and M134 Minigun...



Here is an article for those interested in how Sabre builds their barrels.

http://www.fandmmag.com/web/online/Web-Exclusives/Honing-in-on-Success/20$1479





 
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 7:46:59 PM EDT
[#42]
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Tagging this post.  I ordered one last week (20" 5.56mm) and when I receive it I will inspect the bore and chamber and give an initial report.  As other people have already stated, they now have a gov't contract so they must be doing at least one thing right.
Sabre had Gov't contracts long before the M16A4 contract.  Sabre has .mil contracts to build barrels for the M2, M60, and M134 Minigun...

Here is an article for those interested in how Sabre builds their barrels.
http://www.fandmmag.com/web/online/Web-Exclusives/Honing-in-on-Success/20$1479

 


Thanks for the link, great read.
I personally think Sabre is one of the very best AR makers out there. I just think the lettering looks cheap on the parts, it doesn't reflect the quality of the product at all.





Bill
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 2:32:35 AM EDT
[#43]
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Tagging this post.  I ordered one last week (20" 5.56mm) and when I receive it I will inspect the bore and chamber and give an initial report.  As other people have already stated, they now have a gov't contract so they must be doing at least one thing right.
Sabre had Gov't contracts long before the M16A4 contract.  Sabre has .mil contracts to build barrels for the M2, M60, and M134 Minigun...

Here is an article for those interested in how Sabre builds their barrels.
http://www.fandmmag.com/web/online/Web-Exclusives/Honing-in-on-Success/20$1479

 


Thanks for the link, great read.
I personally think Sabre is one of the very best AR makers out there. I just think the lettering looks cheap on the parts, it doesn't reflect the quality of the product at all.





Bill


Im glad Im not the only one who feels that way, its almost as if they couldnt be bothered to put any good quality engravings after building such a fine product. The engraving on my lower is really shallow and hard too see unless under the right light Never the less, still great products.
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 2:57:05 AM EDT
[#44]
I have a 24" 1:8 flutted Saber coming for a precision rig build I have going on.  Hopefully we can put some rounds through it and start breaking it in next month.

I bought my barrel off the recomendation from a buddy who has the same one and it getting 1/2" groups at 200 and hitting dinner plates out to 1000 7/10 times.

Pics will follow in a few weeks when I get home and put her together.
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 5:26:35 AM EDT
[#45]
Apparently their secret is in their CNC honing process.  They go through great pains to make damn sure that their bores are true pre button-pull.  They are also using a very high quality alloy and a very consistent plater.  I was very impressed from what I read in that article.  I can't wait to shoot my 20 incher.  

Link Posted: 12/15/2010 5:52:17 AM EDT
[#46]
Well, I am not reading responses.
I bet the barrel will fire a bullet as it was designed to do.
Buy it and find out.

Link Posted: 12/15/2010 6:00:37 AM EDT
[#47]
This is the 16" Fluted.   If it shoots half as good as it looks I'll be a happy camper  





Link Posted: 12/15/2010 6:17:05 AM EDT
[#48]
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Good but overpriced IMO. You can get a BCM or CHF DD for $100 less.


This.

You can get a DD CHF upper for $349 from Smartgunner.

Sabre had their chance but chose to offer a very limited amount of product to the civilian market.


DD barrels stop at 16", for one thing.


The OP was asking about a 14.5" middy. Last time I checked both BCM and DD made those.

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I just got a Sabre 16" SS Fluted for $289 from PK.  Doesn't seem overpriced to me.


Exactly.




To compare a Sabre SS barrel to a BCM SS barrel or DD or BCM CHF barrel is not even rational, you're comparing a bicycle to a motorcycle...

Again, the OP was not asking about a SS barrel. I was referring to Sabre's milspec barrels which are a bit more expensive than your SS. However, I agree that is a pretty good price on your SS from PK.
There were only a couple mentions of SS barrels in the thread when I posted, but those are of course not what the OP was interested in therefore I did not address them.
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 6:20:01 AM EDT
[#49]
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This is the 16" Fluted.   If it shoots half as good as it looks I'll be a happy camper  

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww262/HS2/IMG_1168b.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww262/HS2/IMG_1179b.jpg



Do those come ion bonded?

I can tell the debbil is tempting me to buy one of those, it was you 666th post.
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 6:28:46 AM EDT
[#50]
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This is the 16" Fluted.   If it shoots half as good as it looks I'll be a happy camper  

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww262/HS2/IMG_1168b.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww262/HS2/IMG_1179b.jpg



Is that scale reading 1 pound, 15.3 oz.... a.k.a 31.3 oz?



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