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Posted: 3/26/2010 3:59:09 PM EDT
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The Target Master .22 long rifle conversion unit is a drop-in, blow-back activated device designed to adapt M16 and AR-15 rifles to fire .22 long rifle cartridges. The Target Master conversion unit installs in less than 1 minute without the use of tools and allows the use of inexpensive .22 long rifle ammunition in lieu of more expensive .223/5.56 ammunition.
Target Master is designed to replace the standard bolt group without any permanent modifications to the rifle. It will not change the appearance, feel, weight or handling of the rifle. The performance and operating procedures do not change, making the Target Master conversion kit a great solution for low-cost training and rifle familiarization. No need to spend money on a dedicated rifle (and all the accessories that you would need to go with that rifle). Purchasing a drop-in conversion kit will pay for itself in only 500 rounds of shooting! Register to win a free kit to be given away each month! You only need to register once, and you will be automatically included in all drawings in subsequent months. NO PURCHASE NECESSARY TO ENTER OR WIN! Due to the great response, we've moved the date of the first drawing up to APRIL 1, 2010!!! Hurry and register to win!!! www.AR15conversions.com 
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So, how does it work? It appears to just ram the 22lr cartridge down the barrel. I’m no gunsmith but I don’t see how this could not damage the bore, most likely around the chamber? Do you have a link to or diagram of the operation of this device? It obviously works well but I am just curious? |
| This YouTube video is a CMMG kit, but this is an Atchisson/Ciener type arrangement so they all basically work the same. |
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Not to be snotty,
But, what differentiates your conversion kit from the rest of the Atchinson type conversion kits? Spikes has chrome plating and some rubber o-rings, CMMG has stainless steel or a parkarized model with a lower cost, and Ciener has his great customer service with years of making people happy. In my marketing 101 class my professor told me that every product needed a USP (Unique Selling Point) So how is your conversion kit better, stronger, faster or cheaper then the competition? (ok you probably had Ciener beat on the customer service stuff before your first unit shipped. And your price includes free shipping which makes you pretty competitive with the others) |
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Not to be snotty, But, what differentiates your conversion kit from the rest of the Atchinson type conversion kits? Spikes has chrome plating and some rubber o-rings, CMMG has stainless steel or a parkarized model with a lower cost, and Ciener has his great customer service with years of making people happy. In my marketing 101 class my professor told me that every product needed a USP (Unique Selling Point) So how is your conversion kit better, stronger, faster or cheaper then the competition? (ok you probably had Ciener beat on the customer service stuff before your first unit shipped. And your price includes free shipping which makes you pretty competitive with the others) Both the CMMG kit and the Target Master kit utilize the same design principles, and have a similar appearance. However, the Target Master kit offers the following benefits: 1) The heat treating process for Target Master is different from CMMG; parts on the Target Master unit are heat treated individually, providing the appropriate hardness without being brittle and resulting in breaking. 2) The feed ramp design of the Target Master unit is different from the CMMG unit. The Target Master design ensures a smooth chambering of rounds and has a unique angle that helps to ensure empty cases are ejected out of the rifle without spinning and getting caught in the bolt as it closes. 3) The finish on the Target Master unit is a black oxide finish that has proven to be easy to clean 4) The chambers of the Target Master unit are hand burnished; this smooth finish ensures smooth chambering and prevents lead from accumulating in the chamber 5) The Target Master kit is 100% made in the U.S.A. with U.S.A. materials,not just assembled here. 6) Our conversion kit comes with Black Dog magazines. We’ve tested all of the .22lr magazines currently on the market, and it is our opinion that these are the best. I hope this answers your questions. If you have any more or would like additional information, please don't hesitate to email me again, or check out our website: http://www.AR15conversions.com |
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Not to be snotty, But, what differentiates your conversion kit from the rest of the Atchinson type conversion kits? Spikes has chrome plating and some rubber o-rings, CMMG has stainless steel or a parkarized model with a lower cost, and Ciener has his great customer service with years of making people happy. In my marketing 101 class my professor told me that every product needed a USP (Unique Selling Point) So how is your conversion kit better, stronger, faster or cheaper then the competition? (ok you probably had Ciener beat on the customer service stuff before your first unit shipped. And your price includes free shipping which makes you pretty competitive with the others) 
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With all these .22LR conversions hitting the market, you would think someone would try lowering the prices to get the sales. Too many of basically the same thing for the same price.
I don't want to come off snotty either but a certain company has a certain kit that is stainless for sale with a 26 round black dog mag for $156.00 right now. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Not to be snotty, But, what differentiates your conversion kit from the rest of the Atchinson type conversion kits? Spikes has chrome plating and some rubber o-rings, CMMG has stainless steel or a parkarized model with a lower cost, and Ciener has his great customer service with years of making people happy. In my marketing 101 class my professor told me that every product needed a USP (Unique Selling Point) So how is your conversion kit better, stronger, faster or cheaper then the competition? (ok you probably had Ciener beat on the customer service stuff before your first unit shipped. And your price includes free shipping which makes you pretty competitive with the others) Both the CMMG kit and the Target Master kit utilize the same design principles, and have a similar appearance. However, the Target Master kit offers the following benefits: 1) The heat treating process for Target Master is different from CMMG; parts on the Target Master unit are heat treated individually, providing the appropriate hardness without being brittle and resulting in breaking. 2) The feed ramp design of the Target Master unit is different from the CMMG unit. The Target Master design ensures a smooth chambering of rounds and has a unique angle that helps to ensure empty cases are ejected out of the rifle without spinning and getting caught in the bolt as it closes. 3) The finish on the Target Master unit is a black oxide finish that has proven to be easy to clean 4) The chambers of the Target Master unit are hand burnished; this smooth finish ensures smooth chambering and prevents lead from accumulating in the chamber 5) The Target Master kit is 100% made in the U.S.A. with U.S.A. materials,not just assembled here. 6) Our conversion kit comes with Black Dog magazines. We’ve tested all of the .22lr magazines currently on the market, and it is our opinion that these are the best. I hope this answers your questions. If you have any more or would like additional information, please don't hesitate to email me again, or check out our website: http://www.AR15conversions.com ? |
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I bought the kit about a month ago. Only have less than 100 rounds through it though. I had a couple of FTE on the first magazine, which I attributed to new parts not broken in together yet. It worked fine for the next couple magazines full. How much do you recommend to lube it? And what ammo would you recommend? I shot basic lead Remington stuff, but it's dirty, so I'm considering buying a more expensive .22 ammo, which is still way cheaper than .223. |
| I prefer a "semi-dedicated" upper. I currently run a Spikes dedicated barrel and bolt carrier group in an MGI swap barrel upper. Works like a champ with current BDM magazines. WIth the original skinny BDM mags it would only feed reliably with standard velocity target ammo. |
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Not to be snotty, But, what differentiates your conversion kit from the rest of the Atchinson type conversion kits? Spikes has chrome plating and some rubber o-rings, CMMG has stainless steel or a parkarized model with a lower cost, and Ciener has his great customer service with years of making people happy. In my marketing 101 class my professor told me that every product needed a USP (Unique Selling Point) So how is your conversion kit better, stronger, faster or cheaper then the competition? (ok you probably had Ciener beat on the customer service stuff before your first unit shipped. And your price includes free shipping which makes you pretty competitive with the others) Both the CMMG kit and the Target Master kit utilize the same design principles, and have a similar appearance. However, the Target Master kit offers the following benefits: 1) The heat treating process for Target Master is different from CMMG; parts on the Target Master unit are heat treated individually, providing the appropriate hardness without being brittle and resulting in breaking. 2) The feed ramp design of the Target Master unit is different from the CMMG unit. The Target Master design ensures a smooth chambering of rounds and has a unique angle that helps to ensure empty cases are ejected out of the rifle without spinning and getting caught in the bolt as it closes. 3) The finish on the Target Master unit is a black oxide finish that has proven to be easy to clean 4) The chambers of the Target Master unit are hand burnished; this smooth finish ensures smooth chambering and prevents lead from accumulating in the chamber 5) The Target Master kit is 100% made in the U.S.A. with U.S.A. materials,not just assembled here. 6) Our conversion kit comes with Black Dog magazines. We’ve tested all of the .22lr magazines currently on the market, and it is our opinion that these are the best. I hope this answers your questions. If you have any more or would like additional information, please don't hesitate to email me again, or check out our website: http://www.AR15conversions.com Thank you that does answer my questions. |
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Not to be snotty, But, what differentiates your conversion kit from the rest of the Atchinson type conversion kits? Spikes has chrome plating and some rubber o-rings, CMMG has stainless steel or a parkarized model with a lower cost, and Ciener has his great customer service with years of making people happy. In my marketing 101 class my professor told me that every product needed a USP (Unique Selling Point) So how is your conversion kit better, stronger, faster or cheaper then the competition? (ok you probably had Ciener beat on the customer service stuff before your first unit shipped. And your price includes free shipping which makes you pretty competitive with the others)
The sentence about Ciener was sarcasm. I thought the last sentence about beating Cieners customer service before they made their first unit would make it obvious. Maybe I should have phrased it differently. I really don't know what Ciener has over the other conversion kit makers and now with another company making the kits I really wonder how much longer Ciener will stay in business. |
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I bought the kit about a month ago. Only have less than 100 rounds through it though. I had a couple of FTE on the first magazine, which I attributed to new parts not broken in together yet. It worked fine for the next couple magazines full. How much do you recommend to lube it? And what ammo would you recommend? I shot basic lead Remington stuff, but it's dirty, so I'm considering buying a more expensive .22 ammo, which is still way cheaper than .223. The drop-in bolt group should not require much lubrication –– just a couple of small drops on the rails where the bolt slides back and forth. A lot of oil won't hurt it, but .22 ammo is dirty, and all that dirt and oil together just make sludge that may eventually make the unit not work consistently until it's cleaned. All of our test units are run with very little oil. Just wipe the unit down when you finish, and put a couple of small drops on the rails. That's all you should have to do. You shouldn't even have to take it apart. If you were using Remington Golden Bullets, I'm really a little surprised you didn't have more problems. That ammunition seems to be problematic. Any of the Federal or Winchester bulk should work well for you. You may have to experiment with your rifle, and see what gives you the best accuracy. We typically try to steer people toward round nose ammo as opposed to hollow point, but we've had good results with many hollow points. When we test our units, we use Federal Champion (in the blue box) Load #510. You can take a look at the ammunition section of our website. http://www.AR15conversions.com We have more information on different types of ammunition that we've tested. We hope you're having fun with your conversion kit. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. If I don't see it on one of these threads, just shoot me an IM or email me. Thanks, Pam |
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With all these .22LR conversions hitting the market, you would think someone would try lowering the prices to get the sales. Too many of basically the same thing for the same price. I don't want to come off snotty either but a certain company has a certain kit that is stainless for sale with a 26 round black dog mag for $156.00 right now. Who |
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