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Posted: 9/1/2011 9:13:59 PM EDT
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This is a somewhat hypothetical (and superficial, ha) question, but how difficult is the process of swapping a completed lower?
I am in the process of my current build, and due to impatience I managed to slightly mar the finish on my lower. Now this isn't a huge deal, but what I'm getting at is that I am sure I'll build another rifle after this one (with 4 PSA lowers it's going to be damn-near impossible!). Since I just got the final parts I need to complete my build, I'm definitely going to complete the rifle this weekend. When I assemble my next lower, will I run into any issues swapping that lower with the existing one if I wanted to have my "pristine" rifle? Thanks, as always! (Sidebar: jebus, I'm a "comma whore"! |
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Swapping the parts out of the lower into another one? Or just putting a different lower on the existing upper?
The answer to either is no problem. Tearing down built lower can be a PITA but I have done it twice and I did not have any issues. The front take down pin is a PITA. You need a slightly hook fine point object to hold the detent down and push the pin out. I used a curved set of tweezers to do this. Try a local hobby store to see if they have them. The bolt release can also be tricky. A narrow handled punch was what I used. I set it on the roll pin and used a small hammer to tap it out. |
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Swapping the parts out of the lower into another one? Or just putting a different lower on the existing upper? The answer to either is no problem. Tearing down built lower can be a PITA but I have done it twice and I did not have any issues. The front take down pin is a PITA. You need a slightly hook fine point object to hold the detent down and push the pin out. I used a curved set of tweezers to do this. Try a local hobby store to see if they have them. The bolt release can also be tricky. A narrow handled punch was what I used. I set it on the roll pin and used a small hammer to tap it out. Just putting a different lower on the existing upper. |
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Make sure the new lower fits your upper like you want.
There is a punch just for removing the bolt catch retaining pin. One side is milled flat. A small punch to remove the front pivot pin, but don’t let the detent go flying. Depending on how you installed it the buffer tube may come off easier with the right tools. |
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Swapping the parts out of the lower into another one? Or just putting a different lower on the existing upper? The answer to either is no problem. Tearing down built lower can be a PITA but I have done it twice and I did not have any issues. The front take down pin is a PITA. You need a slightly hook fine point object to hold the detent down and push the pin out. I used a curved set of tweezers to do this. Try a local hobby store to see if they have them. The bolt release can also be tricky. A narrow handled punch was what I used. I set it on the roll pin and used a small hammer to tap it out. Just putting a different lower on the existing upper. No issue at all, go right ahead. |
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Swapping the parts out of the lower into another one? Or just putting a different lower on the existing upper? The answer to either is no problem. Tearing down built lower can be a PITA but I have done it twice and I did not have any issues. The front take down pin is a PITA. You need a slightly hook fine point object to hold the detent down and push the pin out. I used a curved set of tweezers to do this. Try a local hobby store to see if they have them. The bolt release can also be tricky. A narrow handled punch was what I used. I set it on the roll pin and used a small hammer to tap it out. Just putting a different lower on the existing upper. No issue at all, go right ahead. +1 Pop the pins out and remove lower, add new lower, pop pins in. Very easy. |
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Swapping lowers just involves 2 pins. Tool-less and painless 5 second swap. Now, the only hypothetical issue you may run into are legal ones. -If your lower is marked as 5.56mm NATO only (and not Multi Cal), and you put a pistol cal, or other non-5.56 rifle cal upper onto it, that might cause some legal issues if someone's watching. -If you have a rifle only lower and you mount a pistol upper onto it, you are in trouble. -If you swap a NFA SBR upper onto a non-registerred/non-engraved lower, you are in legal trouble. |
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Swapping lowers just involves 2 pins. Tool-less and painless 5 second swap. Now, the only hypothetical issue you may run into are legal ones. -If your lower is marked as 5.56mm NATO only (and not Multi Cal), and you put a pistol cal, or other non-5.56 rifle cal upper onto it, that might cause some legal issues if someone's watching. -If you have a rifle only lower and you mount a pistol upper onto it, you are in trouble. -If you swap a NFA SBR upper onto a non-registerred/non-engraved lower, you are in legal trouble. Wrong |
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Quoted: Quoted: Swapping lowers just involves 2 pins. Tool-less and painless 5 second swap. Now, the only hypothetical issue you may run into are legal ones. -If your lower is marked as 5.56mm NATO only (and not Multi Cal), and you put a pistol cal, or other non-5.56 rifle cal upper onto it, that might cause some legal issues if someone's watching. -If you have a rifle only lower and you mount a pistol upper onto it, you are in trouble. -If you swap a NFA SBR upper onto a non-registerred/non-engraved lower, you are in legal trouble. Wrong |
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[/div]It was always explained to me that the calibers must match between the upper and the markings on the lower; that's why most lower manufactuers mark the AR lower as Cal: Multi to avoid issues Nope. Manufacturers aren't even required to mark the caliber on the firearm - just mfg name, city, state and serial. The caliber and model, if such exist, are recorded on transfer paperwork, but are not required to be marked on the firearm. |
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Quoted: Quoted: [/div]It was always explained to me that the calibers must match between the upper and the markings on the lower; that's why most lower manufactuers mark the AR lower as Cal: Multi to avoid issues Nope. Manufacturers aren't even required to mark the caliber on the firearm - just mfg name, city, state and serial. The caliber and model, if such exist, are recorded on transfer paperwork, but are not required to be marked on the firearm. Are you that positive? Please 'splain this: PART 478—COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION Subpart F—Conduct of Business § 478.92 How must licensed manufacturers and licensed importers identify firearms, armor piercing ammunition, and large capacity ammunition feeding devices? (a)(1) Firearms. You, as a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer of firearms, must legibly identify each firearm manufactured or imported as follows: (i) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (ii) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (A) The model, if such designation has been made; (B) The caliber or gauge; (C) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer; (D) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business; and (E) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. |
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[/div]It was always explained to me that the calibers must match between the upper and the markings on the lower; that's why most lower manufactuers mark the AR lower as Cal: Multi to avoid issues Nope. Manufacturers aren't even required to mark the caliber on the firearm - just mfg name, city, state and serial. The caliber and model, if such exist, are recorded on transfer paperwork, but are not required to be marked on the firearm. Are you that positive? Please 'splain this: PART 478—COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION Subpart F—Conduct of Business § 478.92 How must licensed manufacturers and licensed importers identify firearms, armor piercing ammunition, and large capacity ammunition feeding devices? (a)(1) Firearms. You, as a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer of firearms, must legibly identify each firearm manufactured or imported as follows: (i) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (ii) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (A) The model, if such designation has been made; (B) The caliber or gauge; (C) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer; (D) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business; and (E) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. Looks like it can be on the barrel and still work. So you are safe with it not on the receiver. Also if you look at almost any revolver the caliber is usually never on the frame, its on the barrel 90% of the time. Same goes for bolt action rifles. Not cost effective to engrave each receiver for the caliber if they use multiple calibers for each receiver. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: [/div]It was always explained to me that the calibers must match between the upper and the markings on the lower; that's why most lower manufactuers mark the AR lower as Cal: Multi to avoid issues Nope. Manufacturers aren't even required to mark the caliber on the firearm - just mfg name, city, state and serial. The caliber and model, if such exist, are recorded on transfer paperwork, but are not required to be marked on the firearm. Are you that positive? Please 'splain this: PART 478—COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION Subpart F—Conduct of Business § 478.92 How must licensed manufacturers and licensed importers identify firearms, armor piercing ammunition, and large capacity ammunition feeding devices? (a)(1) Firearms. You, as a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer of firearms, must legibly identify each firearm manufactured or imported as follows: (i) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (ii) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (A) The model, if such designation has been made; (B) The caliber or gauge; (C) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer; (D) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business; and (E) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. Looks like it can be on the barrel and still work. So you are safe with it not on the receiver. Also if you look at almost any revolver the caliber is usually never on the frame, its on the barrel 90% of the time. Same goes for bolt action rifles. Not cost effective to engrave each receiver for the caliber if they use multiple calibers for each receiver. That is true provided the firearm is a complete long gun or handgun. In the case of frames or receivers they are still firearms when they leave the manufacturer and must be marked as indicated. In the case of complete long guns or handguns the receiver or frame need only contain the serial number, the rest can be on the barrel. |
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