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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Springfield Armory AR (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/5/2008 7:03:40 PM EDT
| You think they will ever make an AR? |
Some people don't like their M1A's, because either they were one of the few that ran into problem and regardless that SA fixed it like to take any opportunity they can to complain and talk shit, because they like to complain and talk shit or their one of those people who've never owned one and like to talk shit over a problem they heard someone else had. There have been people with problems, but SA's far from the only company to have them, and they do have one of the best warranty in the business standing by their product long after others say it's on you. The numbers of problems get completely pushed aside and distorted by the web and when you look at that they've made over 200,000 rifles the number would seem like it is a extremely small percentage even though nobody really knows. As for cast steel which can be just as strong as forged, there are parts still running from when they first started making them and I've never heard of anyone wearing out a receiver. I do remember Different (Lee Emerson) saying that a competition shooter finally had his cast op rod go after 40,000 rounds. I've seen and shot more M1A's too than I can count and can hands down say they can make a fine rifle and have been doing for over twenty years. There's no reason for them to bother with making an AR though unless a piston AR, because there's so many that do it already. 
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just my opinion, but SA's M1As are not worth the price they are asking... if they made an AR, well, they got too much competition |
I think it would be interesting to see how those quoted above posted in the "Remington introdcues an AR" threads... I think at that time I was the only one who said things similar to the things above and I heard things like: "I welcome another AR to the market, good for compitition" "If it helps brings the Fudds over to our side, then great!" "A solid long name like Remington can only help things" "I welcome anyone who dares to make an AR" "Another company wants to make an AR, so what?!" "There can never be enough AR manufacturers" and so on... |
Based upon the performance of my three M1A Springfields and two 1911's I would welcome them to to the parade w/ a purchase! Never had an issue w/ anoy of their products. They all shoot very well. Cheap, NO.....bu then again neither are my Noveske's, LMT's, Colt...............
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I think some people don't like SAI because they feel SAI is somehow being deceptive about the Springfield name. |
I dunno. just an idea|
I have a Loaded Springfield M1A (sweet shooter), used to have a Springfield M-14s (also a sweet shooter), have a Springfield M1 Garand (1942 year of make), have a Springfield XD40 Tactical (fairly well used now, and doesn't jam - peroid), have a Loaded 1911A1 (It is just an awesome pistol), and would not hesitate to buy a Springfield AR-15. Critics of the Springfields, usually havn't owned many of them, or have owned none & just parrot what they read on the internet. All of mine are top notch weapons that function 100%, and shoot more accurately than I do. What more would anyone ask for? The pistol pics are from their site.   
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Do NOT confuse the products of Springfield Armory with SA INC. |
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yes i have owned MANY SA pistols and one m1a. it failed twice in the year i owned it. i have personally seen MANY m1a's fail at the range, more thn a few right out of the box. i am not "parroting" rumor i am speaking from personal experience. i currently still own several SA 1911's and a few xd's and they have all been solid guns. the m1a's made today are nothing like the m1a's they made 10 years ago. |
Yep, some details here: ipmall.info/hosted_resources/chisum_cases/briefs/19_christianson/19_christianson_4.htm |
their new production garands or usgi? usgi are NOT made by the current SA inc. |
Not necessarily. I know a 'smith (Charles Maloney) who used to be the master gunsmith at Fulton Armory and would occasionally consult with SA. He mentioned that the QC at SA has really gone down (especially in their rifles). The parts are sub-par and they're assembled by untrained workers (many times HS students working a PT job). He had to "make right" a "Whitefeather" model that had been sent back to SA three times. I think SA's rifles had a great rep, and SA is still riding that wave. Eventually, if they don't step up and makes things "how they were", that rep will be gone. If I were to get an M1A/M14 type rifle, I'd go for a LRB or a worked over Norc. |
That's not nice....  I for one, really LOVE my M1A and would not hesitate buying another one. I really love their 1911's as well. As far as them making an AR, their logo would look pretty cool. Bill |
I think the main reason is that USGI M14 parts are either really expensive or impossible to find now. You can no longer get high quality parts for really low cost. |
Is it possible to purchase USGI receivers and parts and assemble them into a compelete rifle, or would it be too difficult? I'm thinking about an M1A for my next project. |
USGI= M14 = full auto. |
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i've had my m1a for about 6 years, it's been reliable and a tack driver i really hate to hear about what a POS they are, i've just never seen one fail or talked to someone that owns one that has had failures i own all kinds of SA weapons, so far everything i've owned or have seen perform at the range have been excellent
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Mine hasn't failed, but it's pretty much relegated to "blasting" ammo. When Maloney checked mine out, a NIW USGI bolt wouldn't fit (It had a new USGI barrel) and the cast bolt it came with barely closed on a "go" gauge. As a result my 'smith told me it would be unwise to shoot match ammo out of it. IMO the quality of the SA1911's is better (and easier to fix if there are issues) than their rifles. Don't get me wrong, I'm not "hating" on SA, I own quite a few SA 1911's. |
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Interesting views from everyone. Personally, I don't think much of a failure "right out of the box" or "at the range", after all that is where we try things out and any firearm needs to be shot to wear in and get the gremlins out. I asked the question on the basis of 1) I have bet my life on the M1As and M14s we had in the armory of my last ship (2000-2003). Next my SA 1911 circa 1990 is the best pistol in the universe. I eats everything I feed it and will always hit unless I REALLY screw up. I have two ARs now so my next rifle will be an M1A. (I keep trying to win that Friends of the NRA raffle) As for part time HS kids putting them together, good on em. Much better than the "Master Smiths" at Norinco / Poly-tech ANY DAY. Thanks R/ Mike VA Beach |
Those M14's were from the 'real' Springfield Armory and NOT SA INC. |
big +1 over the yrs, SA has upped the prices on thier M1As (understandably from a retailer's POV), but downed the overall quality and features of what you GET even thier M1s were mostly overpriced hit-or-misses...one was way better off getting a CMP M1 vs a SA M1
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| I have a M1A1 NM that I purchased from a friend who had it for some time. It has been a very accurate reliable rifle. I also purchased a GI 1911 that was the biggest POS I have ever owned. I sent it to them because its POI was 6" high left. They returned it 4 months later with a test target that was 6" high left and was within tolerance specifications. Customer service told me the 1911's are being made in Brazil and only assymbled in US. Then we discussed SA and turns out they do not actually manufacture any of thier firearms they are simply a marketing and distribution firm with a custom shop. I am glad my M1A is a shooter but after the pistol I won't purchase another SA product. |
cracked bolts and loose sights out of the box or after the first few rounds are NOT gremlins needing a break in. they are defects that never should have left the factory. that is simply unexcusible on 1200.00+ rifle. |
That is a bit different than my experience with them. I had a GI 1911 that wouldn't feed a full 7 round magazine without 1-2 stoppages. I bought it off a friend for cheap who only put a half box of ammo through it and gave up. I called SA and they told me it was no problem, just send it to them with a note detailing what issues I was having. I sent it to them about a week before Thanksgiving of 2006. Two weeks later I got it back. They included a list of everything they did (hardened firing pin and extractor, polished everything that could be polished), which was what the custom shop called the Reliability Package or something like that. It was something you could send a pistol in for and pay $250 for, but they just did it rather than make the stupid thing work and call it a day. They sent a check a month later to cover what I paid to ship it to them. I haven't had a single issue with the pistol yet. |
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I'd buy a Springfield Armory AR15. Chances are they'd have the configurations everyone wants too, they are a very receptive company when it comes to what their customers want. First Springfield INC product I bought was an M1A made around 2000. Great rifle, never had any trouble from it. The second SA INC product I got was a Loaded 1911A1 that I got used, only problems I've had with it were from crap ammo. Latest one was a XD9 service model in 2005, it is the most accurate reliable pistol I own. The next one I get will be a GI 1911A1. I have complete confidence in Springfield Armory INC. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from SA INC if they had something I liked. |
Dang now I feel like I really got the short end of the stick. I really liked that dang GI model and the appeal of a simple gun, wonder why they returned it w/o doing anything other than testing it at the bench. I was really surprised a group they fired printing that far of center was acceptable to them, should have sent it back for cycling problems. Glad to hear they treated you right, now if I come across one that somebody is dumping due to function problems I will grab it up and give SA another try... |
I agree. The older guns used more USGI surplus parts and run great. As they ran out of GI parts they switched to using repro parts which are often cast parts. Thats when the problems appeared. I will never sell either of my M1A's because i know i couldnt buy a rifle of equvilant quality later. |
Springfield ain't Remington. Ever seen one of the DSA AR15s? www.dsarms.com/products.asp?dept=10 Me neither |
I have heard nothing negative about these www.lrbarms.com/ |
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