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Posted: 6/4/2003 6:50:55 AM EDT
Awhile back a friend that I would consider a liberal anti-gun-type showed up for a gun day at the farm. We started out with pistols, then full-auto class III machine guns, rifles and finally some skeet shooting with shotguns. My lib friend tried each. (He was particularly shocked, aghast and disconcerted by private ownership of machine guns.)

But he seemed to appreciate the utility of a 12 guage pump shotgun. "You know," he finally said,
"you should make a tape recording of a pump shotgun racking the slide and that would scare any burglar away." He got a few a curious looks. Then a reply. "Or you could just have the shotgun. I think that would probably be better." He shrugged. Shocker. A well educated fellow, too, from what I understand.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 6:54:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By coolhandluke: ...friend that I would consider a liberal anti-gun-type....
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I generally don't have any of those. I don't think that's even possible.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 8:02:01 AM EDT
Here in OR, there are way too many liberals. They all say the same thing when they see any of my AR's and semi-autos. 1) Can any of these guns shoot full-auto? They buy into the BS that all semi-autos can be easily converted into full auto. The penalties seem to make no difference. 2) What's wrong with registration? They lie when they say they don't believe that registration won't lead confiscation. 3) We need to stop gun violence. The problem is the weapon not the person pulling the trigger. 4) The only purpose of hi-cap mags is to allow the shooter to spray bullets at close range. They don't understand that us shooters like hi-caps so we don't have to reload as often. 5) Semi-auto pistols and rifles are evil. Bolt action guns and revolvers are good guns. Evil guns should be banned. It goes on and on. The liberal *aquaintances* of mine are more friends of my wife that I tolerate. F*ck them all! Spambo
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 8:20:13 AM EDT
BenDover, this is not meant as a flame, but making friends with liberals is the only way to bring them over to our side. Most amti's (men and women both) have little to no experience with firearms. Giving them a positive experience with guns and showing them there is nothing to fear is far better than ignoring them or being offensive to them. The latter is counterproductive to our cause. I work at a State University, and thus I have many chances to speak with anti's. I have befriended some of them, and taken them shooting with me. Four of them are now strong supporters of the RKBA. A simmilar thing happened with my girlfriend and members of her family. Once introduced to guns, about 3 out of 4 anti's come around to our side, at least in my experience. They are anti most of the time because of ignorance and an anti slant in the media. A little diplomacy will go a long way towards helping our cause.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 8:38:02 AM EDT
Agreed, lost of these folks have never even really held a gun.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 8:38:54 AM EDT
Just some food for thought... Back in the early 80s, I was shooting with some IPSC clubs in the Phoenix area. We were approached by a local TV station that wanted to do a report on this new "sport". We had a crew at the range for the full day... then, at the end of the day, we all lined up for the old Banging N' Clanging drill -- that was the only clip that made the report, about 20 guys on line just blazing at whatever target was left! Fast forward many years... a local newspaper reporter wanted to do an article on shooting sports. Things were no different this time as far as range safety goes, but we made sure to show a high degree of professionalism. Range Officers were designated by orange t-shirts, the range was very well ran, no ADs, no horseplay, all weapons were checked as they came out of vehicles then holstered, cased or benched, a safety area was set up for resting and a seperate area for working on and cleaning guns. We enforced a strict no alcohol rule and had seperate firing lines for the young'uns... there was nothing that, in any way, made us or the sport look evil at all. Of course, that story earned a small column on B-3... but, what good it did for us is a direct reflection of what bad it DID NOT do.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 8:41:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Skofnung: BenDover, this is not meant as a flame, but making friends with liberals is the only way to bring them over to our side. Most amti's (men and women both) have little to no experience with firearms. Giving them a positive experience with guns and showing them there is nothing to fear is far better than ignoring them or being offensive to them. The latter is counterproductive to our cause. I work at a State University, and thus I have many chances to speak with anti's. I have befriended some of them, and taken them shooting with me. Four of them are now strong supporters of the RKBA. A simmilar thing happened with my girlfriend and members of her family. Once introduced to guns, about 3 out of 4 anti's come around to our side, at least in my experience. They are anti most of the time because of ignorance and an anti slant in the media. A little diplomacy will go a long way towards helping our cause.
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Originally Posted By spambo: The liberal *aquaintances* ...
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Link Posted: 6/4/2003 9:25:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By spambo: Here in OR, there are way too many liberals.
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too true, but I recently got one to admit the AWB was utter [bs]
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 9:39:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By spambo: Here in OR, there are way too many liberals.
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The title "liberal" is too benign - it's more like socialists, communists, and anarchists.
The liberal *aquaintances* of mine are more friends of my wife that I tolerate.
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Same here, although my wife has become *way* more conservative since we moved to OR, and she's getting disgusted with the leftists here. As bad as it may be here in OR, thank G-d it's not CA!
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 10:01:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2003 10:04:34 AM EDT by EladEflow]
Originally Posted By spambo: 4) The only purpose of [b]normal capacity[/b] mags is to allow the shooter to spray bullets at close range. They don't understand that us shooters like hi-caps so we don't have to reload as often.
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Just a little editting [;)]
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 10:08:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By voilsb:
Originally Posted By spambo: Here in OR, there are way too many liberals.
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too true, but I recently got one to admit the AWB was utter [bs]
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Thats not too hard.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 10:18:57 AM EDT
I must say I don't have and never will have any liberal anti-gun friends. They make me sick to my stomach. All they are is a bunch of uneducated (to the usefulness of firearms), fag-loving hippies.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 10:46:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MarineNP: I must say I don't have and never will have any liberal anti-gun friends. They make me sick to my stomach. All they are is a bunch of uneducated (to the usefulness of firearms), fag-loving hippies.
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I have the same feelings, however, their vote is equal to my vote and once we are outnumbered we are screwed. The best thing for the future of our sport/hobby is to change their minds and attitudes about guns. That will not be done with that type of attitude. If the reason they feel the way they do about guns is because they are "uneducated" about guns then I feel it is our responsibility to "educate" them whenever we have the opportunity.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 11:32:29 AM EDT
I am not surprised. I have liberal friends that like to come to the range with me. I have NEVER talked to anyone that has fired a gun, and not liked it. No matter what political party they belong to. I always offer to take people shooting with me. Mention it in a crowd of people, and you would be surprised at how many people would like to go too.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 12:05:57 PM EDT
chdaal4 is dead on. Would you despise a child for not knowing that 2+2=4 or would you teach him arithmetic? The only way we are ever going to get our rights back is by educating people who are ignorant about guns right now.
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 12:29:57 PM EDT
"The only way we are ever going to get our rights back is by educating people who are ignorant about guns right now." That is the truth!
Link Posted: 6/4/2003 12:41:25 PM EDT
While I'm waiting for the last of my parts for my AR to arrive I'm being swamped by requests to go shooting (I'm 19.. go figure) So while I am trying my best to pencil everyone in for certain shooting "dates" I'm trying to give priority to those who 1. Have never fired a gun, 2. Have some strange fear of firearms, or 3. Are Liberals. I've been able to take out some other gun-fearing people in previous shoots with my dad's guns and have had a 100% success rate in converting them from the [Darth Vader voice][i]Dark Side[/i][/Darth Vader voice]. It gives me some pride by being able to show these people that there is nothing to fear of a firearm in the hands of responsible people, or by itself.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 2:44:43 PM EDT
It is funny I stumbled across this thread just after returning home from the range with a a co-worker of mine who had never fired a rifle before. He like many of the people I work with supported Gore during the last election (lots of the Librals in mental health and not all of them are on the right side of the desk) . After playing for about 2 hours with a couple of my AR's and a Krebs AK he said as we left the range. "I am going to own one of those AR's they are great. So for the price of a couple hundred rounds of south african and some wolf 7.62x39 we have a enthusiast. Cheap at twice the price
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 3:49:17 PM EDT
i have taken many people who have never fired a gun shooting and have gotten many converts to the belief that shooting at targets is enjoyable but................big but........... many of the people i have taken shooting are still too "civilized?" to consider that a gun is a tool and is made to be used in defense of all i hold dear. they want the police to do it for them. god knows, ive tried to explain that the police arent always there when you need them and you need to be able to survive long enough to greet the boys in blue. i usually get this really odd look from them and thats about it. they are always willing to go shooting with me again and a few have bought guns so i guess im making progress
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:11:34 AM EDT
Sorry......I thought you said "shooting a liberal"[frag] L'man [marines]
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:59:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 2gun: they are always willing to go shooting with me again and a few have bought guns so i guess im making progress
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Thats the best we can hope for these days unfortunately.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 11:47:04 AM EDT
Yep. Most people who are anti-firearm have never used a firearm. But most people who are anti-something have never tried or been that something. That's just human nature. We fear what we don't understand.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:06:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PhillipKP: Yep. Most people who are anti-firearm have never used a firearm.
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That may be true but there exceptions. I have a good friend who is as conservative as they come but is anti-gun. Why? He spent a few years in Viet Nam, earned the Silver Star and Purple Heat and decided that he didn't like guns. He's not a gun grabber, he just doesn't see why people want them.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:12:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By nhgunnut: range. "I am going to own one of those AR's they are great. So for the price of a couple hundred rounds of south african and some wolf 7.62x39 we have a enthusiast. Cheap at twice the price
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He may be an enthusiast but not a supporter. Maybe it is my area but I know quite a few liberal shooters who see nothing wrong with registration, ballistic fingerprinting or licenses to own. As long as they can have their target guns, they are happy. Many hunters are the same way.
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 12:21:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Gunzilla: Of course, that story earned a small column on B-3... but, what good it did for us is a direct reflection of what bad it DID NOT do.
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Gee, I seem to remember some poor Mouse getting flamed for suggesting that we need to be concerned about what sort of image we present.
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 6:11:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AnyMouse:
Originally Posted By PhillipKP: Yep. Most people who are anti-firearm have never used a firearm.
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That may be true but there exceptions. I have a good friend who is as conservative as they come but is anti-gun. Why? He spent a few years in Viet Nam, earned the Silver Star and Purple Heat and decided that he didn't like guns. He's not a gun grabber, he just doesn't see why people want them.
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I'd say that's one gentleman that's earned the right to not like guns, if that's what he chooses. MHO Alex
Link Posted: 6/9/2003 6:43:23 AM EDT
I think when you take a newbie shooting you should preface it with something along these lines. "What you are about to do is responsible for more deaths in the United States than anything except heart disease. Please exercise extreme caution when you do it. And remember when we are done shooting here, it is imperitave that you wear your seatbelt while doing this activity....driving home. Now, on to some safe shooting" TXL
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