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Originally Posted By Joedirt199: Ofcourse there is a size difference from 1x to 3x. Think first focal plane reticle scope. The reticle gets bigger as the power goes up. I have both and can get you pictures through the optics but it will have to wait till after work tonight. I use the 1x as a reddot alternative since my uncorrected eyes make reddots a star. Have found out that the bigger the reddot, the less star effect it has so 6 moa dots work better for me. View Quote Thanks. Don't worry about snagging images if it'll be a problem. I've already decided to get one and try it. Some of us don't have a lot of experience with variable FFP, the only variables I've used have been 3-9 SFP. Everything else have been fixed 1x, 4x and 10x. |
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How is the 3X on up close stuff, like inside the house? Can it function as red dot? I need a optic for a couple rifles and have been debating forever. Bought a Cortex red dot that was on sale and it looks like a comet or starburst to me, so my son gets it.
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Originally Posted By zoe17: How is the 3X on up close stuff, like inside the house? Can it function as red dot? I need a optic for a couple rifles and have been debating forever. Bought a Cortex red dot that was on sale and it looks like a comet or starburst to me, so my son gets it. View Quote I'm keeping hits on the A zone at 25 yards from the low ready in a second with a follow up hits with an average 0.2. |
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Originally Posted By zoe17: How is the 3X on up close stuff, like inside the house? Can it function as red dot? I need an optic for a couple rifles and have been debating forever. Bought a Cortex red dot that was on sale and it looks like a comet or starburst to me, so my son gets it. View Quote If you train to it. If you aren’t used to it… Cover the objective lens and keep both eyes open. |
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I was out shooting today and noticed you could move the optic a little in my carry handle. Even after tightening it down.
I moved it one hole in and can no longer wiggle it by hand. I don't even mind the move either as I was actually crowding the optic when prone/kneeling before. |
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Originally Posted By Joedirt199: Here are the 1x, 2x and 3x prisms in my basement range at 12 yards. Sorry for the cell phone pics. https://i.imgur.com/nF6mS98h.jpg https://i.imgur.com/no6BAchh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Z4wDVVsh.jpg View Quote No worries on the cell pics, gives me a visual. Thanks. Confirms I'll need to get one to try out. |
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Thanks for the information. I will get one next pay period. The AAC ammo order kinda stung a bit.
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After looking at the pics there is a big jump from 1x to 2x and very little jump from 2x to 3x. The 1x acts just like a reddot and has a very large field of view, easy to get behind and with my crappy eyes, is able to get a good clear picture. The 2x rides on my short barreled AR and the 3x is on my 14.5". Definately weight saving over multi power optics
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Originally Posted By 03RN: I was out shooting today and noticed you could move the optic a little in my carry handle. Even after tightening it down. I moved it one hole in and can no longer wiggle it by hand. I don't even mind the move either as I was actually crowding the optic when prone/kneeling before. View Quote @03RN Can you please take a close up pic of that mounting? Mine will be here Tuesday and going on a carry handle. You think with the way you have it now you wouldn’t have had that zero shift from before? |
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I got one today, it's my first optic ever and I'm messing around with it getting used to it. I didn't expect the reticle to be so tiny. The chevron is great but the hashmarks on the BDC that you're supposed to use for range estimation are so small that I doubt I could use them*, not to mention using the bottom point of the chevron for 200 vs the tip for 100yd. That said, I am impressed with the clarity of the glass and crispness of image at the in-house distances I've played with it at. I'm excited to get to the range with it.
*I do wear glasses, and my right (dominant) eye is worse than my left, I may need a new eyeglass prescription |
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Originally Posted By williedikker72: @03RN Can you please take a close up pic of that mounting? Mine will be here Tuesday and going on a carry handle. You think with the way you have it now you wouldn’t have had that zero shift from before? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By williedikker72: Originally Posted By 03RN: I was out shooting today and noticed you could move the optic a little in my carry handle. Even after tightening it down. I moved it one hole in and can no longer wiggle it by hand. I don't even mind the move either as I was actually crowding the optic when prone/kneeling before. @03RN Can you please take a close up pic of that mounting? Mine will be here Tuesday and going on a carry handle. You think with the way you have it now you wouldn’t have had that zero shift from before? @williedikker72 Middle hole now Attached File Attached File Yeah, I do but time will tell |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: @williedikker72 Middle hole now https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120004_jpg-2994951.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120017_jpg-2994952.JPG Yeah, I do but time will tell View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By williedikker72: Originally Posted By 03RN: I was out shooting today and noticed you could move the optic a little in my carry handle. Even after tightening it down. I moved it one hole in and can no longer wiggle it by hand. I don't even mind the move either as I was actually crowding the optic when prone/kneeling before. @03RN Can you please take a close up pic of that mounting? Mine will be here Tuesday and going on a carry handle. You think with the way you have it now you wouldn’t have had that zero shift from before? @williedikker72 Middle hole now https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120004_jpg-2994951.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120017_jpg-2994952.JPG Yeah, I do but time will tell Thanks. Was just messing around with mine. Prob go middle hole also. Seems more stable plus doesn't come back over the rear sight like when using the front one. |
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Originally Posted By williedikker72: Thanks. Was just messing around with mine. Prob go middle hole also. Seems more stable plus doesn't come back over the rear sight like when using the front one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By williedikker72: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By williedikker72: Originally Posted By 03RN: I was out shooting today and noticed you could move the optic a little in my carry handle. Even after tightening it down. I moved it one hole in and can no longer wiggle it by hand. I don't even mind the move either as I was actually crowding the optic when prone/kneeling before. @03RN Can you please take a close up pic of that mounting? Mine will be here Tuesday and going on a carry handle. You think with the way you have it now you wouldn’t have had that zero shift from before? @williedikker72 Middle hole now https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120004_jpg-2994951.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120017_jpg-2994952.JPG Yeah, I do but time will tell Thanks. Was just messing around with mine. Prob go middle hole also. Seems more stable plus doesn't come back over the rear sight like when using the front one. Yeah, it's not a big deal but I did notice rub marks on the base |
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Anyone know if there’s a butler creek cap that’ll fit the ARD and what size it is? My optic came in today and I’m loving it, I’m just not a fan of bikini covers.
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I checked the thread as best I could but didn't come up with a definitive answer, and my Google-fu is coming up with nothing either.
Does anyone know if there's a mount base for the 3x that's lower than the factory base? I'm crazy enough that I put a 3x on my knockaround .308 bolt gun but it sits just a wee bit high on the factory base as-is. Not unusable at all, I'd just like to get it about as low to the rail as is physically possible, if there's any more that can be done. |
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Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b: I checked the thread as best I could but didn't come up with a definitive answer, and my Google-fu is coming up with nothing either. Does anyone know if there's a mount base for the 3x that's lower than the factory base? I'm crazy enough that I put a 3x on my knockaround .308 bolt gun but it sits just a wee bit high on the factory base as-is. Not unusable at all, I'd just like to get it about as low to the rail as is physically possible, if there's any more that can be done. View Quote i am looking at the base right now, and there is not much room to make it any lower. |
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Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b: I checked the thread as best I could but didn't come up with a definitive answer, and my Google-fu is coming up with nothing either. Does anyone know if there's a mount base for the 3x that's lower than the factory base? I'm crazy enough that I put a 3x on my knockaround .308 bolt gun but it sits just a wee bit high on the factory base as-is. Not unusable at all, I'd just like to get it about as low to the rail as is physically possible, if there's any more that can be done. View Quote Not sure you will find a base lower than their factory lowest option. I’m surprised at the lowest option, it’s too high. Any mini Acog mount will work if you can find a very low option. |
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What size butler creek cap did you get to fit the ARD? I'm guessing it's a size 2, but nobody in town has one in stock so I wanted to check before hitting up amazon. Edit: from earlier in the thread butler creek O7 AND O2A |
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar: @JustDaniel What size butler creek cap did you get to fit the ARD? I'm guessing it's a size 2, but nobody in town has one in stock so I wanted to check before hitting up amazon. Edit: from earlier in the thread butler creek O7 AND O2A View Quote @NorthPolar I’m 99% sure it’s an 02A but I will confirm this evening when I get home. Obviously, it does require the PA ARD. ETA: Confirmed, Butler Creek 02A |
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On scope cap alternatives…
I added one of the ARDs to the front of the 3x uPrism. The extra length and the protrusion of the ARD makes it such that I can use one of the Tini Bikini scope covers. (I do give it a 180° twist on the scope body to tighten it up a bit.) The scope cover is not perfect, but overall is adequate - and FAR more robust than the flimsy factory one. Just another fairly simple and fairly inexpensive alternative. |
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I'm more interested in the rear sight color. Rattle can or...? Where did you get that?
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any you have the 3x and the 5x , or tried both? thinking about one. but not sure.
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Originally Posted By somedude: any you have the 3x and the 5x , or tried both? thinking about one. but not sure. View Quote I've got the 1x, 3x and 5x. Of them all, I find the 3x the most all around useful. FOV is very good, and noticeably better than the 5x. While eye relief is the same on the 3x and 5x, the eyebox feels easier on the 3x. Illumination is a little better on the 3x also. Only criticism I have of the 3x is the horseshoe ring can obscure some of the target, however, that's offset by decent close in performance. |
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Originally Posted By somedude: any you have the 3x and the 5x , or tried both? thinking about one. but not sure. View Quote I have acquired multiples in 1x, 2x, 2.5x, 3x micro, and 5x micro. Of those, the 2x and 3x micro are my favorites. I’m now down to only one 1x and I sold both of my 5x. The FOV on the 2x and 3x is truly amazing and they are both very fast, using BAC. I actually prefer them over my three acogs. Between the two, the glass quality is superior in the 2x but it’s heavier, although not heavy compared to most magnified optics. If you are looking for a very light, fast, compact optic with a medium magnification and an enormous FOV, the 3x micro is what you seek. Just be sure to upgrade the base. |
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After some time with both the 1x and 3x PA MP's, I can say a few things.
they are both great for the cost and for their intended roles. the 1x is really great as a replacement/ alternative to a red dot, where the user either wants the etched reticle for reliability, or has astigmatism, or both. its non magnified, but im my opinion gives you better visibility at longer ranges than a red dot. the glass is clearer and the reticle is sharper than my HS 403b. that said, its still just 1x and while hits are possible, target ID may be difficult at longer ranges. the 3x is a really good, compact, magnified optic. the 3x is a significant increase over the 1x, but still gives you a decent FOV at range. close up its alittle tight. target ID is much improved over the 1x. glass is very sharp and clear, for the money, and just in general. reticle is usable and not too busy, however the large horseshoe could be alittle thinner so avoid obscuring the target area. I found that the 3x excels at 50-400ish... past that you really cant see your hits... but i also found that inside 50, the 1x is much quicker on target, and easier to make hits, idk its hard to explain but its like th 3x is too precise at close range, and its kinda had to keep the reticle steady, compared to the 1x. now if you take the time to brace the rifle you can be very precise, but the 1x is markedly faster to "hits on target" at close range. no surprise, the 1x is very close to a red dot. i really go back and forth alot on which one of these I keep on my " Go-To" rifle. its a 14.5" so a little magnification would be useable for target ID and longer range shots, though the 1x can still be very precise to medium ranges, say 150, which is most likely more than enough for a self defense type of engagement. right now its got the 1x on it, but the 3x on a adm qd mount and flip up irons is very appealing as well. |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: @williedikker72 Middle hole now https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120004_jpg-2994951.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120017_jpg-2994952.JPG Yeah, I do but time will tell View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By williedikker72: Originally Posted By 03RN: I was out shooting today and noticed you could move the optic a little in my carry handle. Even after tightening it down. I moved it one hole in and can no longer wiggle it by hand. I don't even mind the move either as I was actually crowding the optic when prone/kneeling before. @03RN Can you please take a close up pic of that mounting? Mine will be here Tuesday and going on a carry handle. You think with the way you have it now you wouldn’t have had that zero shift from before? @williedikker72 Middle hole now https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120004_jpg-2994951.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231017_120017_jpg-2994952.JPG Yeah, I do but time will tell Can you link me that carry handle mount you bought fkr that? Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20230916_093551_jpg-2955635.JPG I think I'm going to keep it on her for a while View Quote now I need two. forgot about my 20" A1 |
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This thread made me get an ADM micro ACOG 1.93" high mount for mine.
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar: I'm waiting for my boresighter to arrive as my 3x was several feet off at the 100, but here's the setup for now. In time I'll replace the cheap 45 irons with a green dot or better irons. https://i.imgur.io/rJjCMWr_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium View Quote Usually it's the local yokel gonsmif laser boresighting that is 1 foot off. Yours is several? I'd double check my assembly, but expect to send that scope back. |
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Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Boooo lasers. Usually it's the local yokel gonsmif laser boresighting that is 1 foot off. Yours is several? I'd double check my assembly, but expect to send that scope back. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Originally Posted By NorthPolar: I'm waiting for my boresighter to arrive as my 3x was several feet off at the 100, but here's the setup for now. In time I'll replace the cheap 45 irons with a green dot or better irons. https://i.imgur.io/rJjCMWr_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium Usually it's the local yokel gonsmif laser boresighting that is 1 foot off. Yours is several? I'd double check my assembly, but expect to send that scope back. I just disassembled, reassembled, and retightened everything today, but yeah. I was at least one and a half high, two right at 100 yards. It'll be next Tuesday at the earliest before I can get to the range to confirm anything though, assuming my car can get through the snow getting dumped up here. (They don't plow the range road/lot often) I've got one of those crappy .223 brass lasers I'll check with tonight, but I have a real bore mount unit on the way. Edit: did a RMA this morning. Adjustments aren’t working on the optic. Crap happens. |
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I'm going to have to send mine back to PA this week.
I took it to the range today to re-zero after a awful experience with it at a recent rifle match. The impacts were 2 feet left of the aim point at 50 yards. After putting it on a bench and adjusting the windage at 25 yards I went as far as I could reasonable turn the dial and was still has impacting 3" left of the aim point. |
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Are these scopes that are failing to zero mounted with factory hardware?
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Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Are these scopes that are failing to zero mounted with factory hardware? View Quote Mine is, yeah. I went to redo the boresight and ran out of upward elevation before getting near the dot, despite I was already shooting way high and right. Waiting to hear back from PA about my RMA. |
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I feel the stock mount is crap. Had one on my glx 2x and used up all the windage to get centered. Bought a Midwest Industries mini acog mount and all is right with the world. Ditch the stock mount as fast as you can when mounting up these prisms.
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Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Are these scopes that are failing to zero mounted with factory hardware? View Quote Well mine was zeroed initially on the stock mount. But it wasn't still zeroed at last weekend's local match so I put it on a bench rest today thinking I must have swapped it out on a different rifle and just needed to re-zero. |
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar: Mine is, yeah. I went to redo the boresight and ran out of upward elevation before getting near the dot, despite I was already shooting way high and right. Waiting to hear back from PA about my RMA. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: That sounds like FORS confusion. Do you mean ran out of the reticle's upwards travel (impact lower)? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Originally Posted By NorthPolar: Mine is, yeah. I went to redo the boresight and ran out of upward elevation before getting near the dot, despite I was already shooting way high and right. Waiting to hear back from PA about my RMA. Yup, I just didn't word it well, but I ran out of upward reticle travel trying to reach the boresight dot. I'll hopefully hear from PA tomorrow in regards to the RMA. |
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I was advised to reset the optic to mechanical center and redo the boresight at 100 yards. Guess we’ll see how long laser batteries will last in subzero conditions.
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