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Posted: 10/19/2008 7:45:34 AM EST
To prove it is not vapor ware, I am starting a new thread for the adapter

Yes, we will be offering NFA length barrels, I am working on a special version right now.

Pricing for the adapters will be in line with existing versions for 9mm like the Hahn.

Tab on the back is to keep the adapter from falling out of the mag well if you accidentally hit the AR mag release.

Mag release is set on the right hand side, to where the trigger finger can access it (at least with my big hands I can). They can be made for left side if wanted.

They are made from aluminum and will be anodized black (this version, the anodizing dye did not take)

Left is the new (pre)production version, right the prototype


Left the new version, right the prototype



Link Posted: 10/19/2008 8:20:04 AM EST
Uppers? Prices? Availability? Don't tease us!

Seriously, this looks like a great start, and I am very interested in it. I would also be interested in your plans for barrels, particularly whether you plan to offer chrome lined barrels. With the surplus Tok around being "probably" corrosive, I'd like to stick with chrome lined barrels and maybe even stainless keys/bolts...
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 8:44:15 AM EST
I'm in for(at least) two adapters, great to see some pictures.

Link Posted: 10/19/2008 10:28:37 AM EST
Oh yeah!

Link Posted: 10/19/2008 4:21:00 PM EST
Pricing on a NFA length kit to include the adapter Marty.

Something like 7" or so would be great.....

Please let us know as soon as you can, oh, and where do I send the check?
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 4:26:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By bfarrin1:
I'm in for(at least) two adapters, great to see some pictures.



tagarooni

im most definately IN.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 5:02:31 PM EST
Hmmm
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 6:37:12 PM EST
For barrels we intend to offer either stainless for the higher end or else CrMo with Hard Blue from Superior Barrels. Cost of barrels we hope to be competitive with .223 barrels out there.

Bolts, we will see if we can get Superior to assist with those as well - their Hard Blue is something wicked...
Link Posted: 10/20/2008 1:00:03 PM EST
I want one. I havent read up on it much but would you be able to use a 9mm bolt with x25? If it needs to be heavier due to the more powerful ammo can a heavier buffer be used? For the barrels were yall planning on going blowback or gas-op? I like the design, I've been after something like this for awhile.
Link Posted: 10/20/2008 6:04:07 PM EST
We were intending to go gas op, but I will test this set up with blow back. Gas op is a lot smoother to shoot, plus if you shoot reloadable brass, it won't tear it up. I've got a little trick up my sleeve for blow back to make things interesting, update on that to follow.
Link Posted: 10/21/2008 12:39:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2008 12:40:03 AM EST by AR-fan]

Originally Posted By MartytW:
I've got a little trick up my sleeve for blow back to make things interesting, update on that to follow.


If it's what I think it is, I may be needing one!
Link Posted: 10/21/2008 3:22:06 PM EST

I've got a little trick up my sleeve for blow back to make things interesting, update on that to follow.


Interesting is good. I have some retarded ideas for a blowback. Or is that an idea about a retarded blowback?

Link Posted: 10/21/2008 3:25:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2008 3:31:19 PM EST by grendelbane]
second post deleted for excessive redundancy.

If my trigger work was as good as my mouse work, I would be in big trouble!
Link Posted: 10/22/2008 4:14:41 AM EST
I cant wait to try that block on my Oly 45 upper. My initial tests looked like these mags would feed .45 without a problem.
Link Posted: 10/22/2008 8:01:28 AM EST
If memory serves me...

I believe the PPs43 mag will also accommodate .45acp! That would make this a VERY interesting addition to those of us who enjoy the thump of that round.

buckmeister
Link Posted: 10/22/2008 11:28:39 AM EST

Link Posted: 10/22/2008 3:38:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/23/2008 6:02:14 AM EST
Does the Tok round get anything from the 16" bbl or would an 11.5" be sufficient? I've always liked the look of the 11.5+5.5 setup.

Link Posted: 10/23/2008 3:38:29 PM EST

Does the Tok round get anything from the 16" bbl or would an 11.5" be sufficient?


The answer is yes. Yes, a 16" barrel produces a bit more velocity, but, yes, an 11.5" barrel would be sufficient.

A caveat. I am basing my answer on what Quickload says. It says that a reasonable charge of Power Pistol behind the Hornady 86 grain bullet will produce 1828 FPS in an 11.5" barrel, while in a 16", it produces 1940 FPS. Like most pistol caliber carbines, there is a useful increase in velocity, but it certainly is not mind blowing by any means.

It pretty much boils down to personal preference. 1940 FPS is not going to do anything that 1828 won't do. At 100 meters, the difference will be even less.
Link Posted: 10/26/2008 9:44:12 AM EST
Are all of the blocks going to be engraved as pictured?

Not planning on using mine for 7.62x25, just wondering.

Link Posted: 10/26/2008 6:55:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By bfarrin1:
Are all of the blocks going to be engraved as pictured?

Not planning on using mine for 7.62x25, just wondering.



JB weld and GunKote, a beautiful thing...
Link Posted: 10/31/2008 9:54:18 PM EST
Haven't tried feeding any rounds into the mag, but it looks like the .40 and 10mm would both possibly fit as well . . . not sure how they'd stack or feed, but inquiring minds want to know . . .
Link Posted: 11/1/2008 3:02:29 AM EST
Now thats damn sexy.

I am most definetely in on this once you get these bad boys up and running.

Later and have a good one.
Link Posted: 11/3/2008 6:21:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2008 6:22:34 AM EST by TaylorWSO]
Originally Posted By MartytW:

Yes, we will be offering NFA length barrels, I am working on a special version right now.



Can you share details on these special versions???? What have you done to make them run well?
Link Posted: 11/10/2008 8:15:57 AM EST
Must have for Christmas....
Link Posted: 11/10/2008 8:55:37 AM EST
If my Glock purchase dosn't pan out, I might just get one of these uppers and magblock to go with a CZ-52.

Do you have any idea towards the pricing for an upper half + magblock package?
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 11:46:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 11:47:34 AM EST by Kaliburz]



edit
Page two OWN-age!!!!
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 4:07:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/23/2008 3:27:46 PM EST
quick update

Adapters are still not completed from the shop making them, but they are working on them, with the intent for us to have them on display at the SHOT Show.

Special NFA barrel version had to take a bakc seat due to home repair issues (*Ike tore the place up, still few more months of rebuild to go)

Blow back has been tested and we're working with Slash on getting the best spring and buffer combo - we've used some interesting loads

I hope to share pictures shortly
Link Posted: 11/23/2008 3:53:29 PM EST


Originally Posted By MartytW:
quick update

Adapters are still not completed from the shop making them, but they are working on them, with the intent for us to have them on display at the SHOT Show.

Special NFA barrel version had to take a bakc seat due to home repair issues (*Ike tore the place up, still few more months of rebuild to go)

Blow back has been tested and we're working with Slash on getting the best spring and buffer combo - we've used some interesting loads

I hope to share pictures shortly


Marty,

I've got a bunch of springs double the usual carbine spring strength. You want some to try?

Link Posted: 11/25/2008 5:01:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By MartytW:
quick update

Adapters are still not completed from the shop making them, but they are working on them, with the intent for us to have them on display at the SHOT Show.

Special NFA barrel version had to take a bakc seat due to home repair issues (*Ike tore the place up, still few more months of rebuild to go)

Blow back has been tested and we're working with Slash on getting the best spring and buffer combo - we've used some interesting loads

I hope to share pictures shortly


As I'm reading this, the adapter is in production, the DI upper is finalized but not in production, and the BB upper is still in testing and the NFA upper is still in development. Correct?

Question: are you going to release them for sale as the become ready or wait until all packages are ready?
Link Posted: 11/26/2008 1:41:11 PM EST
Is this where I get in-line for the adapter?
Link Posted: 11/28/2008 5:22:29 PM EST
I'd better get in line too...
Link Posted: 11/28/2008 5:38:17 PM EST
Could it be made with an ambi mag catch?
Link Posted: 11/29/2008 1:00:15 AM EST
Count me in as well.
Link Posted: 11/29/2008 1:03:55 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/29/2008 12:11:54 PM EST
Mags are in
Link Posted: 12/9/2008 12:37:42 PM EST
Gotta keep this on the front page.
Link Posted: 12/21/2008 6:32:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/25/2008 3:02:56 PM EST
Christmas bump
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 7:40:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/29/2008 8:05:39 AM EST by Tony-Ri]
Any updates? I'm about to pull the trigger on some mags. (Marty, I sent you an IM!)
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 4:10:05 PM EST
Got a BUNCH of mags just sitting and waiting for this one . .
Link Posted: 12/30/2008 3:02:40 PM EST
Im also interested in one if you are starting a list.
Link Posted: 1/11/2009 8:37:14 AM EST
What?! No 2009 bump!?

Oh well, here it is..... the 2009 bump.
Link Posted: 1/11/2009 12:07:08 PM EST
Come to think of it, I believe these 7.62x25 threads have had a 2007 and 2008 bump along the way.

Link Posted: 1/11/2009 1:27:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/13/2009 6:11:36 AM EST
Things have taken a bit longer than anticipated. Still tweaking the process but delivering production samples to Marty at SHOT.

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Right now we've got Left and Right hand models running. Working on an AMBI version, bolt hold open, and for you 9 fans, UZI's

I know Marty has been running hard lately especially with the huricane damage and a cold that just won't go away so I just wanted to let you know, the adapters are real. And real close.....
Link Posted: 1/13/2009 7:14:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By HMC710:
Things have taken a bit longer than anticipated. Still tweaking the process but delivering production samples to Marty at SHOT.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u155/tekwerk/tm3.jpg[/url]

Right now we've got Left and Right hand models running. Working on an AMBI version, bolt hold open, and for you 9 fans, UZI's

I know Marty has been running hard lately especially with the huricane damage and a cold that just won't go away so I just wanted to let you know, the adapters are real. And real close.....





Really want......

Link Posted: 1/13/2009 7:45:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By HMC710:
Things have taken a bit longer than anticipated. Still tweaking the process but delivering production samples to Marty at SHOT. .....


Are they going to be displayed at SHOT?
If so, What booth?
Link Posted: 1/13/2009 6:17:29 PM EST
Booth 100 I believe
Link Posted: 1/13/2009 8:20:36 PM EST
I just bit the bullet on a PPS-43 parts kit with 4 mags! (I should have just gotten more mags, but I've always wanted a parts kit! )

I'm thinking once these uppers get popular, the prices on the mags will increase.
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