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Link Posted: 10/31/2014 1:57:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By The_Accuser:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e251/the_accuser/crusader_zpse6bb81af.jpg

12.5" Noveske Crusader....absolutely my favorite firearm I have.  This little rifle freakin' rocks!!!
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A Crusader barrel, Centurion CMR, and a short Ops style reflex can is REALLY starting to sound good. And then another just like it with a Geissele SMR!



Guys, anyone got some chrony results from your shorter barrels, especially the 12.5" 5.56 guys? VMPGlenn sent me some of his numbers a long while back and I'm always curious to see what everyone gets. I don't have a chronograph yet so a lot of my entries in ballistic calculators are just guesswork.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 2:57:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Guys, anyone got some chrony results from your shorter barrels, especially the 12.5" 5.56 guys? VMPGlenn sent me some of his numbers a long while back and I'm always curious to see what everyone gets. I don't have a chronograph yet so a lot of my entries in ballistic calculators are just guesswork.
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Chrono results from a 12.5" Centurion Arms barrel below.

XM193: 2900 fps
FGMM 69gr: 2440 fps
FGMM 77gr: 2283 fps
Mk262 clone (77gr SMK): 2500 fps
Hot 5.56 handload: 2600 fps

I've got more data somewhere but not on the flashdrive I have with me.  Hope that helps.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:17:42 PM EST


MRP/NOVESKE
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:30:17 PM EST
OK, I'll play

DSA ZM4 lower
CMMG LPK
BCM 12.5" 1:8 SS upper w/BCM BCG
DSA steel charging handle
UTG Pro 13" FF QR
Troy Claymore brake
STR Stock
MOE grip
RVG forward grip
Nikon P-223 scope w/Bushnell First Strike micro RDS
TLR-1 light



Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:57:01 PM EST
Where the hell is PFran with his cool pics?
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 4:59:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Alaska511:
Where the hell is PFran with his cool pics?
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yup
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 8:08:50 PM EST
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14.5 Daniel Defense M4 Barrel
Fail Zero Upper and BCG
BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle
Geiselle SSA Trigger
B5 Sopmod Bravo Stock
Larue APEG
Samson Evolution Keymod 12.37" handguard
Surefire M600 Scout w/ MI mount with SR07 switch
Magpul Pro BUIS
East Coast Guns Lower (Made by LMT)
H2 Buffer and mil spec tube
Aero Precision Lightweight SPR mount
Way of the gun sling
Burris Tac-30
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 8:49:24 PM EST
this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 8:55:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5
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I knew you would be along.  Resistance is futile...
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 8:59:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Alaska511:


I knew you would be along.  Resistance is futile...
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5


I knew you would be along.  Resistance is futile...


its screaming for one

DSC_4264 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 9:05:23 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:

this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5




I knew you would be along.  Resistance is futile...
There he is. We lured him right in.

 
Link Posted: 11/2/2014 2:06:15 AM EST
Alright kiddos, this is what I could piece together.  SDN-6 is still a couple of months out




Why yes, I DO use a toaster for my camera.
Link Posted: 11/2/2014 10:04:52 AM EST
BCM Upper.
BCM BCG
Noveske 13.7" stainless barrel
Geissele MK4 keymod 13"
BE Meyers 249f
Raptor CH
Troy Flip ups

BCM Lower
Geissele SSA
B5 Sopmod Bravo

SWFA SS HD 1-6

Link Posted: 11/2/2014 4:01:04 PM EST
I am really happy with this set up.  It is an incredible shooter, chews up all the crap ammo I have left in my misc ammo can.
All I need to do now is paint it.
I am thinking about adding a red dot on the NF, what are your thoughts on if and which one.  

Link Posted: 11/2/2014 4:17:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By xLucky:
BCM Upper.
BCM BCG
Noveske 13.7" stainless barrel
Geissele MK4 keymod 13"
BE Meyers 249f
Raptor CH
Troy Flip ups

BCM Lower
Geissele SSA
B5 Sopmod Bravo

SWFA SS HD 1-6

<a href="http://imgur.com/v2AUT9Q" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/v2AUT9Q.jpg</a>
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Nice! How's it shoot? I'm really thinking about doing something similar with a 13.7" Rainier UltraMatch or maybe the Noveske.
Link Posted: 11/2/2014 9:29:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:

Nice! How's it shoot? I'm really thinking about doing something similar with a 13.7" Rainier UltraMatch or maybe the Noveske.
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It's great. Could just be me but it feels to be a softer shooter than my old 16" middy, maybe something with the mid length in a shorter barrel gas magic. It handles really well too, a little lighter than my old 16" setup and the weight is more centered because of the shorter barrel.

Very happy with it overall, still sad about how much it all cost me...but very please with the rifle itself. May sell the 1-6 here soon and just run a red dot only for weight considerations, and I never really shoot past 200 yds.

I definitely recommend a build like this, I went with the noveske over the rainier for the mid length.

Here it is wearing the SRS which is how it will probably spend most of the time. Good luck with your build, shoot me a message or email if you have a question, I'm no expert but I may be able to help.

Link Posted: 11/3/2014 12:39:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By xLucky:
Could just be me but it feels to be a softer shooter than my old 16" middy, maybe something with the mid length in a shorter barrel gas magic.
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Yep. Less dwell time can lead to a softer recoil impulse.

This is why the factory 14.5" KAC intermediate length rifles are softer shooting than the factory KAC 16" intermediate length rifles.

It's also why bar none the softest shooting 5.56 rifle I've ever fired had a KAC intermediate barrel that was chopped down to 13.5 inches. The difference between that rifle and the next softest 5.56 I've ever shot is nearly night and day - you wouldn't even believe it unless you fired it yourself.
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 1:01:21 AM EST
I... I shouldn't be in here.
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 8:53:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
I... I shouldn't be in here.
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Sure you should.
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 9:15:24 AM EST
This is going to cost me some money.
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 2:48:41 PM EST
Does a magnifier count?



I like to be able to take of the magnification to lighten the rifle, if I don't need any kind of precision.
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 2:58:56 PM EST

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Does a magnifier count?


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I like to be able to take of the magnification to lighten the rifle, if I don't need any kind of precision.
I would just look for a lighter scope.  Pics are welcome though



 
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 3:32:36 PM EST
Does this count?


Link Posted: 11/3/2014 6:29:31 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
its screaming for one



https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5588/14879400275_03b85e55ea_b.jpgDSC_4264 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:



Originally Posted By Alaska511:


Originally Posted By Finslayer83:

this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5




I knew you would be along.  Resistance is futile...




its screaming for one



https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5588/14879400275_03b85e55ea_b.jpgDSC_4264 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr


That stumpy little bitch is hot.



 
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 6:30:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 6:58:10 PM EST

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I like to be able to take of the magnification to lighten the rifle, if I don't need any kind of precision.
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Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman:

Does a magnifier count?



I like to be able to take of the magnification to lighten the rifle, if I don't need any kind of precision.
I would just look for a lighter scope.  Pics are welcome though

 
Any scopes weight the same as an Aimpoint Micro?



I'll work on a pic soon!
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 8:58:53 PM EST
It seems this concept has or at least had some traction in the real world.

I saw this posted before somewhere and was able to track it down with some googling. Kyle Defoor calls it a "short recce", scroll down to the 8/30/14 post for a description INFO HERE .

Here is the pic he posted.


I also recall seeing a picture of a HK 416 with the 10.5" barrel (or 10.3" or whatever it is) and a NF 2.5-10x with a bipod.  Seems to fit the bill also.
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 9:12:01 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Mblades:


It seems this concept has or at least had some traction in the real world.



I saw this posted before somewhere and was able to track it down with some googling. Kyle Defoor calls it a "short recce", scroll down to the 8/30/14 post for a description INFO HERE .



Here is the pic he posted.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/08c970935b3be3b89d44def0ff25734d/tumblr_nb4lu6YGQy1ruk0n4o1_1280.jpg



I also recall seeing a picture of a HK 416 with the 10.5" barrel (or 10.3" or whatever it is) and a NF 2.5-10x with a bipod.  Seems to fit the bill also.
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That rifle is set up a little strange...

 
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 9:50:24 PM EST
Lovin this thread!
Link Posted: 11/3/2014 10:11:35 PM EST
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That stumpy little bitch is hot.
 
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Alaska511:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5


I knew you would be along.  Resistance is futile...


its screaming for one

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5588/14879400275_03b85e55ea_b.jpgDSC_4264 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr

That stumpy little bitch is hot.
 


She's a dirty whore too.

Off to look at variables.
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 1:44:56 PM EST
will a 2.5x qualify my carbine for this thread or does it need to be a variable?
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 2:50:54 PM EST
WHAT ABOUT THE AFGAN THREAD

AFGAN THREAD HERE
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WHAT ABOUT THE AFGAN THREAD

AFGAN THREAD HERE
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this thread is:

1.) cooler
2.) shorter than 14.5 barrel in a lot of examples
3.) newer

Link Posted: 11/4/2014 3:02:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Ill get a better quality pic sometime.

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I plan to re-do my 12.5" with the 9.5" Geissele, it would look exactly like that WAR upper and all. Fuck me that's hot, Geissele needs to hurry up with a 9.5" Mk4 with MLOK
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 3:35:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:


this thread is:

1.) cooler
2.) shorter than 14.5 barrel in a lot of examples
3.) newer

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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By SD307:
WHAT ABOUT THE AFGAN THREAD

AFGAN THREAD HERE


this thread is:

1.) cooler
2.) shorter than 14.5 barrel in a lot of examples
3.) newer


That's what really makes this its own thread. This thread is geared towards SBR RECCEs - shorter than 14.5.

My personal favorite RECCEs.
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 4:41:21 PM EST
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So guys need to know my PA2.5x will qualify for this thread....

If so I'll put it on there, if not I'll pick up a cheaper    1-3/1-4x
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 4:50:56 PM EST

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So guys need to know my PA2.5x will qualify for this thread....



If so I'll put it on there, if not I'll pick up a cheaper    1-3/1-4x
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I don't think their are any hard and fast rules.  Precision from a short field useable weapon is the goal.



 
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I don't think their are any hard and fast rules.  Precision from a short field useable weapon is the goal.

 
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:



Originally Posted By Finslayer83:

So guys need to know my PA2.5x will qualify for this thread....



If so I'll put it on there, if not I'll pick up a cheaper    1-3/1-4x
I don't think their are any hard and fast rules.  Precision from a short field useable weapon is the goal.

 
Not to be the Debbi but I don't think that really flys with the aspect of this thread. But who am I to say. Fin I still love you and your rifles.

 
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 5:13:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By plante74:
Not to be the Debbi but I don't think that really flys with the aspect of this thread. But who am I to say. Fin I still love you and your rifles.  
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
So guys need to know my PA2.5x will qualify for this thread....

If so I'll put it on there, if not I'll pick up a cheaper    1-3/1-4x
I don't think their are any hard and fast rules.  Precision from a short field useable weapon is the goal.
 
Not to be the Debbi but I don't think that really flys with the aspect of this thread. But who am I to say. Fin I still love you and your rifles.  


Fine....

I'll buy a variable.

Link Posted: 11/4/2014 5:22:25 PM EST
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You people are evil...




I had a good weekend selling some stuff at the gun show, and find myself getting completely out of .308/7.62 NATO. I have a feeling I'm going to be staring at an empty wallet soon.


Finslayer83 is a shooting buddy, and he is the worst kind of enabler... One with really cool toys.



That's right, I said "You People"...

Link Posted: 11/4/2014 5:32:08 PM EST
its not my fault you bought a Glock 34.

back to thread:

Weaver V3 1-3x or Vortex Crossfire 1-4x ?


Wanting to keep the glass under $200 as the variable will only be used for range fun and the aimpoint for anything else.
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 5:37:38 PM EST


Noveske Afghan w/ LaRue 11" rail

Burris XTR14





Noveske Afghan w/ LaRue 13" rail

Burrsi XTR14
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 5:47:26 PM EST
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LOL.  You crack me up.  

It's a good concept.  I don't have the money to build one though.  What if I throw on my variable on an M4gery that has an HBar and is a good shooter?  I know.  Boring.
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 10:17:54 PM EST
Out of curiosity, is a 11" VTAC rail considered Recce-enough? That's what's ony little 14.5" right now, and I've been cruising the EE al day, looking at optics.
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 10:54:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mblades:
It seems this concept has or at least had some traction in the real world.

I saw this posted before somewhere and was able to track it down with some googling. Kyle Defoor calls it a "short recce", scroll down to the 8/30/14 post for a description INFO HERE .

Here is the pic he posted.
http://41.media.tumblr.com/08c970935b3be3b89d44def0ff25734d/tumblr_nb4lu6YGQy1ruk0n4o1_1280.jpg

I also recall seeing a picture of a HK 416 with the 10.5" barrel (or 10.3" or whatever it is) and a NF 2.5-10x with a bipod.  Seems to fit the bill also.
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This is what a Mini or Short Recce should be!  Love it, sign me up!
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 11:20:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ironhandjohn:
Out of curiosity, is a 11" VTAC rail considered Recce-enough? That's what's ony little 14.5" right now, and I've been cruising the EE al day, looking at optics.
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Sure. I don't think there has been an established parts list other than:

14.5" or shorter
Variable optic
Free floated handguard
Extra points for paint
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 11:23:32 PM EST
PAINT??

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Of course.

Its liberating - you know you want to give it a lil spray
Link Posted: 11/5/2014 12:28:35 AM EST
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Sure. I don't think there has been an established parts list other than:

14.5" or shorter
Variable optic
Free floated handguard
Extra points for paint
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Originally Posted By Ironhandjohn:
Out of curiosity, is a 11" VTAC rail considered Recce-enough? That's what's ony little 14.5" right now, and I've been cruising the EE al day, looking at optics.


Sure. I don't think there has been an established parts list other than:

14.5" or shorter
Variable optic
Free floated handguard
Extra points for paint


No ACOG's?  Or red dot's with a magnifier?
Link Posted: 11/5/2014 12:32:48 AM EST
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I'd say ACOG (3-4x), maybe.

RDS with a magnifier, no.

The RDS/mag combo belongs on a CQB setup to me.

ETA - RustedAce posted arguably the sickest rifle in this thread thus far, so that may be why I have a soft spot for ACOGs in here right now.
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