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Posted: 9/23/2005 5:52:43 AM EDT
I had to replace my original gas rings 'cause the bolt was quite loose in the carrier.
It was a new "no-name" M16 B/C group that I bought from someone (now i realize it must have been a factory reject )
Got 3 or 4 failure to fire in about 500 rds.
A friend sent me his used Colt rings. Just fired 40 rds the other day. All went fine.

So I ordered this McFarland ring setup.
What are your impressions on this thing ?
Is it really a good upgrade ?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 5:57:48 AM EDT
It's awesome
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 6:09:54 AM EDT
Good upgrade.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 6:14:21 AM EDT
When new, the McFarland ring will make it difficult to insert the bolt into the bolt carrier. Bolt movement in the carrier will be quite stiff. After you fire a mag it will smooth out and feel more normal. These rings hold up very well in my experience.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 6:50:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
When new, the McFarland ring will make it difficult to insert the bolt into the bolt carrier. Bolt movement in the carrier will be quite stiff. After you fire a mag it will smooth out and feel more normal. These rings hold up very well in my experience.



+1 They work well.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 9:03:43 AM EDT
One of the most inexpensive yet important upgrades a person can make on a AR
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 9:30:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sniper918:
I had to replace my original gas rings 'cause the bolt was quite loose in the carrier.
It was a new "no-name" M16 B/C group that I bought from someone (now i realize it must have been a factory reject )
Got 3 or 4 failure to fire in about 500 rds.
A friend sent me his used Colt rings. Just fired 40 rds the other day. All went fine.

So I ordered this McFarland ring setup.
What are your impressions on this thing ?
Is it really a good upgrade ?




LOVE THEM
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 9:41:45 AM EDT
How much are they?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 10:32:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PerryF:
How much are they?




Last time I bought a few they were like $3.00
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 11:58:29 AM EDT
i bought a few to see what they were about after some discussion in another thread a while back.

thought they were ok, never had any problems with the std ones so i did not notice any difference
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 1:44:18 PM EDT
any reccommendations of where to buy this from?

I hate moving those little rings around!
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 2:14:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:
any reccommendations of where to buy this from?


Rick McDowell of Competition Specialties, ( 105 E. Cass, PO Box 451, Osceola, Iowa 50213 Phone: (800)369-4481 / (641)342-2011 )




I hate moving those little rings around!


Why are you doing that? They don't need to be 'moved around'. They will continue to rotate on their own as the bolt cycles. As you as you install the bolt into the carrier they have moved from the position you put them in.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 2:37:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 2:37:54 PM EDT by steve-oh]
who offers them?

ETA: let me rephrase that, what dealers on this site offer them?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 2:37:47 PM EDT
With all due respect to Mr. McFarland, I do not think he is the originator of the design.

The commercial name of these are "Spiral Locks". They have been used in motorcycle and ATV applications as well as automotive for some time. They are used to retain the floating piston pins that connect the rod to the piston. Most OEM makers use a round wire clip to retain the pin, and it works fine as a low cost item. The Spiral Locks were usually included in aftermarket piston kits.

If McFarland sized them to work for gas rings, then good for him. I have used them on quite a few AR's, and they work great.

Some folks just like to be different.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 2:40:12 PM EDT
anybody have a pic or a link to see what it looks like
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 3:34:12 PM EDT
What are the advantages over standard gas rings?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 4:52:54 PM EDT
brownells sells them


taken from brownells website

link to the item at brownells.com
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 5:08:09 PM EDT
Ah crap. Yet another "gadget" to add to my collection. Seriously, I hate aligning the damn rings only to have them shift the moment I put the bolt back into the carrier.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 5:21:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
brownells sells them

www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100001257.jpg
taken from brownells website

link to the item at brownells.com



How would you install it?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 5:24:54 PM EDT
Are these rings part of the upgrade Crane does on the M4 CQBR uppers?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 5:55:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PerryF:

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
brownells sells them

www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100001257.jpg
taken from brownells website

link to the item at brownells.com



How would you install it?



Just twist it on like a nut.

I run them in all of my AR's.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 11:45:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PerryF:

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
brownells sells them

www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100001257.jpg
taken from brownells website

link to the item at brownells.com



How would you install it?




place one of the ends on and twist/screw it on, fairly simple similar to the std rings but continous
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 1:56:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PerryF:
How much are they?



$1.50 a piece
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 2:39:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
i bought a few to see what they were about after some discussion in another thread a while back.

thought they were ok, never had any problems with the std ones so i did not notice any difference

The only difference I noticed was that the bolt is a lot LOOSER in the carrier with the McFarland ring in it. Eh...hasn't made a difference either way in function, though.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:45:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:02:12 AM EDT
Not to poo poo anyone, but I never got the big deal on them. I've NEVER had issues with my gas rings on guns with over 10K rd . So what makes them so Awesome over a set of new OEM rings .

I don't see these as performance enhancing, just another way to skin the cat so to speak.

Below are quotes by everyone who recommends them, but yet I see nothing that lends any creedance to the fact they they work better then the OEM rings


It's awesome
How So?


Good upgrade.
Why?


These rings hold up very well in my experience.
How well? How many Rds?


+1 They work well.
Again,how well?


One of the most inexpensive yet important upgrades a person can make on a AR
Why is it one of he most Important Upgrades? An Upgrade usally is implemented to correct a problem or enhance current performance to a higher level. How are they doing that?


LOVE THEM
Because........?

And if these rings were $25 instead of $3 would you all still recommend them and think their all that and a bag of cheese puffs??

Just curious.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:47:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 7:48:39 AM EDT by edpmedic]
I don't see a big change in the way my AR's function with them. Since I ordered some from Brownells for the M4 I built I figured I change all my AR's with them. They work and only time will tell. The only problem I can see is if you take the rings off to clean out the groove then it is a pain to take it off.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:50:12 AM EDT
They are also the perfect partner to the $7 cotter pin!
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 8:39:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By edpmedic:
I don't see a big change in the way my AR's function with them. Since I ordered some from Brownells for the M4 I built I figured I change all my AR's with them. They work and only time will tell. The only problem I can see is if you take the rings off to clean out the groove then it is a pain to take it off.



you take the rings off to clean in between the grooves?
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 8:41:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zardoz:

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
i bought a few to see what they were about after some discussion in another thread a while back.

thought they were ok, never had any problems with the std ones so i did not notice any difference

The only difference I noticed was that the bolt is a lot LOOSER in the carrier with the McFarland ring in it. Eh...hasn't made a difference either way in function, though.





actually mine was a bit tighter with the mcfarland gas rings.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 8:57:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Rabbit9:

Originally Posted By PerryF:

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
brownells sells them

www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100001257.jpg
taken from brownells website

link to the item at brownells.com



How would you install it?



Just twist it on like a nut.


Thanks

I run them in all of my AR's.

Link Posted: 9/24/2005 8:59:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:

Originally Posted By PerryF:

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
brownells sells them

www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100001257.jpg
taken from brownells website

link to the item at brownells.com



How would you install it?



So its like putting a key on a key ring?

I have not changeg the rings on my AR.had my AR for 8 months



place one of the ends on and twist/screw it on, fairly simple similar to the std rings but continous

Link Posted: 9/24/2005 9:32:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PerryF:

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:

Originally Posted By PerryF:

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
brownells sells them

www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100001257.jpg
taken from brownells website

link to the item at brownells.com



How would you install it?



So its like putting a key on a key ring?

I have not changeg the rings on my AR.had my AR for 8 months



place one of the ends on and twist/screw it on, fairly simple similar to the std rings but continous


.



similar to that in a way
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 11:25:04 AM EDT
Armalite carries these for $3.00.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 2:16:50 PM EDT
Waste of money. An AR/M16 will run on a single gas ring.

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:01:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Harv24:
Not to poo poo anyone, but I never got the big deal on them. I've NEVER had issues with my gas rings on guns with over 10K rd . So what makes them so Awesome over a set of new OEM rings .

I don't see these as performance enhancing, just another way to skin the cat so to speak.

Below are quotes by everyone who recommends them, but yet I see nothing that lends any creedance to the fact they they work better then the OEM rings


It's awesome
How So?


Good upgrade.
Why?


These rings hold up very well in my experience.
How well? How many Rds?


+1 They work well.
Again,how well?


One of the most inexpensive yet important upgrades a person can make on a AR
Why is it one of he most Important Upgrades? An Upgrade usally is implemented to correct a problem or enhance current performance to a higher level. How are they doing that?


LOVE THEM
Because........?

And if these rings were $25 instead of $3 would you all still recommend them and think their all that and a bag of cheese puffs??

Just curious.

When I asked about them last year folks said they were not necessary and even caused problems. Guess it depends on what day you ask.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 9:09:13 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 10:07:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bigkracka:

Originally Posted By Harv24:
Not to poo poo anyone, but I never got the big deal on them. I've NEVER had issues with my gas rings on guns with over 10K rd . So what makes them so Awesome over a set of new OEM rings .

I don't see these as performance enhancing, just another way to skin the cat so to speak.

Below are quotes by everyone who recommends them, but yet I see nothing that lends any creedance to the fact they they work better then the OEM rings


It's awesome
How So?


Good upgrade.
Why?


These rings hold up very well in my experience.
How well? How many Rds?


+1 They work well.
Again,how well?


One of the most inexpensive yet important upgrades a person can make on a AR
Why is it one of he most Important Upgrades? An Upgrade usally is implemented to correct a problem or enhance current performance to a higher level. How are they doing that?


LOVE THEM
Because........?

And if these rings were $25 instead of $3 would you all still recommend them and think their all that and a bag of cheese puffs??

Just curious.

When I asked about them last year folks said they were not necessary and even caused problems. Guess it depends on what day you ask.




i have yet to see for myself any difference between the mcfarlands and std ones.


had about 10k through my rifle with the std rings and never had any problems. read a thread that gave the mcfarland rings high ratings so i wanted to see for myself and it has about 4-5k through it and i have notice no performance changes and the only change was when i first installed them they were a bit tight.
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