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Posted: 10/19/2009 5:15:36 PM EDT
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They made the external dimensions closer to standard Nato mags, so it will fit in rifles with deeper magwells like the AUG, FS2000, and ARs with tight magwells.
However they have the same wide base plate as the Pmag so if your mag pouches are tight the Emag still won't fit correctly. In short: It's thinner, less durable and still won't fit in tight mag pouches, but if the Pmag doesn't drop free for you or won't work in your weapon but Nato mags will, chances are the Emag will too. I got tired of waiting for the Tmag and bought 50 L5 mags instead. |
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They made the external dimensions closer to standard Nato mags, so it will fit in rifles with deeper magwells like the AUG, FS2000, and ARs with tight magwells. However they have the same wide base plate as the Pmag so if your mag pouches are tight the Emag still won't fit correctly. In short: It's thinner, less durable and still won't fit in tight mag pouches, but if the Pmag doesn't drop free for you or won't work in your weapon but Nato mags will, chances are the Emag will too. I got tired of waiting for the Tmag and bought 50 L5 mags instead. I was trying to go a day without having to post something, here I am to disspell rumors or inaccurate info. You Sir, have once again made a statement right out of your back side. To clarify; The EMAG was designed to fit non standard magwells, HK 416, SA-80, and Beretta ARX-160 and to be compatible with USGI magwells found in AR's and M-16's. The EMAG will not work with the AUG or the FS-2000 as you suggested, where did you hear this? When using double mag pouches with the P or EMAG's you may accomplish a good fit by offsetting the mag's floorplates. This solves 99% of the "pouch issues" with the PMAG". Your "In short" is just pure ignorance. Who said the EMAG is less durable? That's an incorrect assumption. Now, to answer the OP Q. In my opinion for what it's worth, as I'm employed by the company that makes the product you're asking about, the EMAG is fantastic if you're running a HK 416, SA-80 or Beretta ARX-160 and looking for a durable and reliable magazine. If you're not running one of the systems, stick to PMAG's. PMAG's are better priced and will perform the same as an EMAG. If you choose to run the EMAG in an AR platform, have at it. They'll run all day long. |
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I was trying to go a day without having to post something, here I am to disspell rumors or inaccurate info. You Sir, have once again made a statement right out of your back side. To clarify; The EMAG was designed to fit non standard magwells, HK 416, SA-80, and Beretta ARX-160 and to be compatible with USGI magwells found in AR's and M-16's. The EMAG will not work with the AUG or the FS-2000 as you suggested, where did you hear this? When using double mag pouches with the P or EMAG's you may accomplish a good fit by offsetting the mag's floorplates. This solves 99% of the "pouch issues" with the PMAG". Your "In short" is just pure ignorance. Who said the EMAG is less durable? That's an incorrect assumption. Now, to answer the OP Q. In my opinion for what it's worth, as I'm employed by the company that makes the product you're asking about, the EMAG is fantastic if you're running a HK 416, SA-80 or Beretta ARX-160 and looking for a durable and reliable magazine. If you're not running one of the systems, stick to PMAG's. PMAG's are better priced and will perform the same as an EMAG. If you choose to run the EMAG in an AR platform, have at it. They'll run all day long. So... do the changes include some which would eliminate the need to "alter" P-MAGs to drop free from snug fitting AR Magwells? |
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Quoted: Surely by saying "snug fitting magwells" you must mean out of spec magwells? The only lower that I've witnessed not let a P-Mag drop free was a RRA and it wouldn't do it with GI mags either. Turns out the lower was out of spec and had to go back to the factory. No problems in Spike's, Colt, DPMS or LMT lowers and those are just the few that I've personally tried.Quoted: I was trying to go a day without having to post something, here I am to disspell rumors or inaccurate info. You Sir, have once again made a statement right out of your back side. To clarify; The EMAG was designed to fit non standard magwells, HK 416, SA-80, and Beretta ARX-160 and to be compatible with USGI magwells found in AR's and M-16's. The EMAG will not work with the AUG or the FS-2000 as you suggested, where did you hear this? When using double mag pouches with the P or EMAG's you may accomplish a good fit by offsetting the mag's floorplates. This solves 99% of the "pouch issues" with the PMAG". Your "In short" is just pure ignorance. Who said the EMAG is less durable? That's an incorrect assumption. Now, to answer the OP Q. In my opinion for what it's worth, as I'm employed by the company that makes the product you're asking about, the EMAG is fantastic if you're running a HK 416, SA-80 or Beretta ARX-160 and looking for a durable and reliable magazine. If you're not running one of the systems, stick to PMAG's. PMAG's are better priced and will perform the same as an EMAG. If you choose to run the EMAG in an AR platform, have at it. They'll run all day long. So... do the changes include some which would eliminate the need to "alter" P-MAGs to drop free from snug fitting AR Magwells? ETA: I forgot that the P-Mags work fine in my CavArms too.  |
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Surely by saying "snug fitting magwells" you must mean out of spec magwells? The only lower that I've witnessed not let a P-Mag drop free was a RRA and it wouldn't do it with GI mags either. Turns out the lower was out of spec and had to go back to the factory. No problems in Spike's, Colt, DPMS or LMT lowers and those are just the few that I've personally tried. ETA: I forgot that the P-Mags work fine in my CavArms too.
My Bushmaster is great, my Spikes drops GI mags fine but not PMAGs, there is a topic on filing down a part of the PMAGs to correct this but I would rather buy some EMAGs instead. Spikes said they would take it back but then that would have to be going through the FFL and all that. I think $21 a mag would be easier and work towards my goal of "gathering mags like a squirrel gathers nuts." |
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Quoted: Quoted: Surely by saying "snug fitting magwells" you must mean out of spec magwells? The only lower that I've witnessed not let a P-Mag drop free was a RRA and it wouldn't do it with GI mags either. Turns out the lower was out of spec and had to go back to the factory. No problems in Spike's, Colt, DPMS or LMT lowers and those are just the few that I've personally tried. ETA: I forgot that the P-Mags work fine in my CavArms too. My Bushmaster is great, my Spikes drops GI mags fine but not PMAGs, there is a topic on filing down a part of the PMAGs to correct this but I would rather buy some EMAGs instead. Spikes said they would take it back but then that would have to be going through the FFL and all that. I think $21 a mag would be easier and work towards my goal of "gathering mags like a squirrel gathers nuts." If I remember correctly, you can return your receiver to Spike's without a FFL and they can send it directly back to you because it is a repair. I did this with a replacement CavArms receiver that I screwed up. I guess I've been lucky in the lower receiver department. |
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any chance that the EMags remedy the problem anyway? I think I will order some regardless just to have, just curious though. I would like to know if the emag works better in the tight magwells also. My agency just purchased LWRC patrol rifles that came with pmags. None of the 7 LWRC rifles I test fired would drop an empty pmag. David |
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any chance that the EMags remedy the problem anyway? I think I will order some regardless just to have, just curious though. I would like to know if the emag works better in the tight magwells also. My agency just purchased LWRC patrol rifles that came with pmags. None of the 7 LWRC rifles I test fired would drop an empty pmag. David In the future all AR purchases should be based on wether they can freely drop an empty PMAG or not, that way the AR industry can weed out all "out of spec " junk that would have otherwise been foisted on the unsuspecting public. |
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Quoted: Based on Dr. Drake's statement above, I'm guessing they work fine if the standard P-Mags don't work. A friend of mine has a LWRC piston gun and uses P-Mags without issues. Weird.Quoted: any chance that the EMags remedy the problem anyway? I think I will order some regardless just to have, just curious though. I would like to know if the emag works better in the tight magwells also. My agency just purchased LWRC patrol rifles that came with pmags. None of the 7 LWRC rifles I test fired would drop an empty pmag. David |
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isn't "mil spec" based on standard USGI mags? that is just a guess, I am no authority. PMags should be the industry standard though IMO. I concur, the whole AR industry should redesign the AR15 around the PMAG, that way public confidence in the industry would be boosted..I mean seriously where did this "mil spec " shit come from anyway??? |
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Quoted: isn't "mil spec" based on standard USGI mags? that is just a guess, I am no authority. PMags should be the industry standard though IMO. I'm not expert, but I will say.... Mil Spec is just that. The military's specification as to the dimension, materials, testing, etc. that meet the standards they set forth. P-Mags aren't mil-spec because the specification calls for 6061 Aluminum, I believe. P-mags were, however, designed to fit and function in lowers that meet the spec. I have only seen one lower that wouldn't drop P-Mags and that lower, was in fact, out of spec. According to a number of users here, there have been a number of instances where a P-mag wouldn't drop free. It doesn't mean that the lower was out of spec. (I was being a smartass above). The simple fix was to remove a little bit of material from the magazine to make it drop free. I compare this to my needing to remove material from the inside of my CavArms lower for mags to fit properly, not a big deal. On the non-AR15 weapons mentioned above that take your standard GI aluminum mags, the P-Mags wouldn't fit. To offer these users P-Mags, Magpul made the EMags slimmer to fit those weapons. Since they are slimmer and the engagement is still the same, they will still fit and function in ARs. P-Mags are popular, have seen heavy use in various theaters around the globe and are durable as hell. IMHO, GI mags will never disappear and while I would like to have all Magpul magazines, there is no reason to get rid of what I have until they fail. Magazines are expendable. If you start having magazines issues that a new spring won't fix, it's time to replace the magazine, no matter who makes it. |
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Quoted: You forgot your sarcasm smiley. Quoted: isn't "mil spec" based on standard USGI mags? that is just a guess, I am no authority. PMags should be the industry standard though IMO. I concur, the whole AR industry should redesign the AR15 around the PMAG, that way public confidence in the industry would be boosted..I mean seriously where did this "mil spec " shit come from anyway???  |
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isn't "mil spec" based on standard USGI mags? that is just a guess, I am no authority. PMags should be the industry standard though IMO. I'm not expert, but I will say.... Mil Spec is just that. The military's specification as to the dimension, materials, testing, etc. that meet the standards they set forth. P-Mags aren't mil-spec because the specification calls for 6061 Aluminum, I believe. P-mags were, however, designed to fit and function in lowers that meet the spec. I have only seen one lower that wouldn't drop P-Mags and that lower, was in fact, out of spec. According to a number of users here, there have been a number of instances where a P-mag wouldn't drop free. It doesn't mean that the lower was out of spec. (I was being a smartass above). The simple fix was to remove a little bit of material from the magazine to make it drop free. I compare this to my needing to remove material from the inside of my CavArms lower for mags to fit properly, not a big deal. On the non-AR15 weapons mentioned above that take your standard GI aluminum mags, the P-Mags wouldn't fit. To offer these users P-Mags, Magpul made the EMags slimmer to fit those weapons. Since they are slimmer and the engagement is still the same, they will still fit and function in ARs. P-Mags are popular, have seen heavy use in various theaters around the globe and are durable as hell. IMHO, GI mags will never disappear and while I would like to have all Magpul magazines, there is no reason to get rid of what I have until they fail. Magazines are expendable. If you start having magazines issues that a new spring won't fix, it's time to replace the magazine, no matter who makes it. AHHH Yes , well said!!! You know that is not a popular idea around these parts...anyway here is my belated sarcasam face 
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well put. I ordered two E-Mags today just for the hell of it. I'm treating Magpul's mags like trading cards... gotta have at least one of each.
I'll reply if there is a difference in the fit of this particular lower. ETA: I wish Magpul could get into the .22 AR-Mag dept. |
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Quoted: well put. I ordered two E-Mags today just for the hell of it. I'm treating Magpul's mags like trading cards... gotta have at least one of each. I'll reply if there is a difference in the fit of this particular lower. ETA: I wish Magpul could get into the .22 AR-Mag dept. I saw some nice Colt .22lr mags the other day. I didn't know they started making them. |
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I started a topic after getting the EMAGs in but thought I would share on this one being that some of you may be subscribed.
The EMAGs drop free (even empty) from my one of my lowers that had the snug magwell. <insert joke about being posterchild for sight sponsor>
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I started a topic after getting the EMAGs in but thought I would share on this one being that some of you may be subscribed. The EMAGs drop free (even empty) from my one of my lowers that had the snug magwell. <insert joke about being posterchild for sight sponsor> Thanks for testing them out. I will pick up a few to try. David |
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well put. I ordered two E-Mags today just for the hell of it. I'm treating Magpul's mags like trading cards... gotta have at least one of each.
I'll reply if there is a difference in the fit of this particular lower. ETA: I wish Magpul could get into the .22 AR-Mag dept. I saw some nice Colt .22lr mags the other day. I didn't know they started making them. I think they are made by CMMG or BDM (Black Dog Machine) |
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Hey guys I have a POF 416 GEN II lower receiver and I bought a Pmag but it won't fit into the magwell at all, let alone dropping freely. I am going to try the Emag and see if it fits into the 416. From the description, it sounds like it should fit. The only things im concerned about its that the Emags says its slimmer, but problem looks like its in the front and back not the side to side. Anyone else have this issue?
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Hey guys I have a POF 416 GEN II lower receiver and I bought a Pmag but it won't fit into the magwell at all, let alone dropping freely. I am going to try the Emag and see if it fits into the 416. From the description, it sounds like it should fit. The only things im concerned about its that the Emags says its slimmer, but problem looks like its in the front and back not the side to side. Anyone else have this issue? Thanks I didn't have that issue, or if I did it wasn't that bad, but the front "cut-out" on the E-Mag (on the right) seems to go down further than the P-Mag *see picture*. I imagine that it would depend on where your Mag is making contact to see if it will help. 
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The contact seems to be all around the mag, but more on the front and back not the sides. You can see the contact marks on the magwell where it is hitting. The pmag won't go even half way up the magwell before getting stuck. I've ordered an Emag, lets hope I didn't just waste another $17.50.
BTW, AIM has the Emags for $17.45 shipped using ther coupon code. The code didn't work on their website so I just called and placed the order over the phone. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/sigbrown1297/ar15/P1010644.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/sigbrown1297/ar15/P1010637.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/sigbrown1297/ar15/P1010645.jpg |
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Common issue with older POF receivers. The problem lies in the corners- the radii are too large with their fully machined mag wells (versus broaching or EDM) to work with the PMAG/EMAG. The corners need to be 'sharper'. No idea if the newer POF receivers work any better but I've heard they do...
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Emags arent working for people with NATO Aug.
Magpul, you are still missing the mark when it comes to a 100% compatable NATO mag. A magpul goal should be having a version that will work in any weapon that a USGI metal mag will work in. That goal can be done, it just will take more attempts on your part to get it correct. Magpul finds it easier to blame any of their design short-comings on the rifle and not on the mag. |
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Emags arent working for people with NATO Aug. Magpul, you are still missing the mark when it comes to a 100% compatable NATO mag. A magpul goal should be having a version that will work in any weapon that a USGI metal mag will work in. That goal can be done, it just will take more attempts on your part to get it correct. Magpul finds it easier to blame any of their design short-comings on the rifle and not on the mag. We designed the PMAG to fit the Colt M16 and the EMAG to fit the HK 416. That's all we've ever claimed and have never stated that either mag will fit all STANAG 4179 compliant weapons. If your AR15 or other weapon does not meet the Colt M16 spec then the PMAG may not fit. BTW... - The Steyr AUG does not use the M16 magazine. It uses a proprietary design. - The STANAG 4179 spec has never been NATO approved. - All available information states that the corner radii in the mag well needs to 1/16" or less. Many machined mag wells have a problem with this as you can only go so small with a cutter in the corners... |
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Common issue with older POF receivers. The problem lies in the corners- the radii are too large with their fully machined mag wells (versus broaching or EDM) to work with the PMAG/EMAG. The corners need to be 'sharper'. No idea if the newer POF receivers work any better but I've heard they do... I am still waiting to receive the Emag to try it out. I'll let you know if it does or not. |
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Magpul BTW... The AUG also comes in a NATO version stock and takes M16 mags.....you should know that. Note that I said NATO AUG in my above post.
As far as you claims go for the Emag, Your web site quote for the Emag is "its unique geometry is optimized for foreign-made weapons such as the HK 416, FN SCAR, British SA-80, Beretta ARX-160, IMI Tavor, and others." If it is only designed for the HK416 then please change your claims. |
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In the future all AR purchases should be based on wether they can freely drop an empty PMAG or not, that way the AR industry can weed out all "out of spec " junk that would have otherwise been foisted on the unsuspecting public.
+1 One of my 3 LMTs wont drop a pmag. guess i bought junk 
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Magpul BTW... The AUG also comes in a NATO version stock and takes M16 mags.....you should know that. Note that I said NATO AUG in my above post. As far as you claims go for the Emag, Your web site quote for the Emag is "its unique geometry is optimized for foreign-made weapons such as the HK 416, FN SCAR, British SA-80, Beretta ARX-160, IMI Tavor, and others." If it is only designed for the HK416 then please change your claims. To clarify, there is an AUG variant that takes M16 mags. However it is not near as common as the original version and we do not have one in house to check against... The EMAG was designed around the HK 416 with its tighter mag well and longer front wall. It also works well in other non-Colt spec mag wells such as those found on the SCAR, SA-80, and Beretta ARX-160. We also say on the website, "Front-to-back and side-to-side dimensions have been adjusted to ensure compatibility with as many STANAG 4179 weapons as possible, including most non-Colt spec AR15 rifles." We do not say the EMAG is only built for the 416 nor do we say it will fit all guns. With the extremely wide variety of tolerances among numerous platforms, we did not design the PMAG and EMAG to fit all guns. Since we had to pick a standard we chose the Colt M16 for the PMAG and for non-Colt spec guns we chose the HK 416 for the EMAG. |
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Magpul BTW... The AUG also comes in a NATO version stock and takes M16 mags.....you should know that. Note that I said NATO AUG in my above post. As far as you claims go for the Emag, Your web site quote for the Emag is "its unique geometry is optimized for foreign-made weapons such as the HK 416, FN SCAR, British SA-80, Beretta ARX-160, IMI Tavor, and others." If it is only designed for the HK416 then please change your claims. Whoa Brother, why the aggressive tone? Please direct me where you have seen us say the EMAG was, "only designed for the HK416". It sounds like you're salty about the EMAG not funtioning with an AUG. If that's the case and you purchased EMAG's I'll happily refund your money. Otherwise take a breath and start a thread in our forum describing what you'd like to see in a NATO AUG mag. Who knows, you might flip a switch on here at Magpul
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks Lancer maybe? I'd try posting a new topic like "POF 416 in need of magazine options" or something like that, it would prob get more relevant traffic. Sorry it didn't work man |
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EMAG fits and drops great in my CDD-15, (I hit the mag release and it's spits em like old chewin' tobacco) Now I just need to find some more for less than 20.00 a mag. Im glad that they fit your lower...  AIM has them for $17.45 shipped. as for the special pricing....thats where I ordered mine from.
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks You never did say, but do USGI aluminum mags fit and function in your lower? |
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks I am affaid this is going to happen to me also. I bought about 10 PMags and they wouldnt fit in my DPMS lower. I have no problem with USGI mags though. I have ordered a few EMags, hoping they will work but its going to be a few months till I can get home and try them 
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks Lancer maybe? I'd try posting a new topic like "POF 416 in need of magazine options" or something like that, it would prob get more relevant traffic. Sorry it didn't work man Lancers drop free in lower that work with USGI mags but not PMAGs IME. |
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks You never did say, but do USGI aluminum mags fit and function in your lower? This. Just use a good 'ol USGI mag with upgraded followers. You dont have to have plastic mags you know |
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks I have a POF P416 Gen II that will drop free P Mags. Also a POF 415 that does the same. |
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks I have a POF P416 Gen II that will drop free P Mags. Also a POF 415 that does the same. Well if you have the same receiver, and you are telling me that pmags fit and drop freely, Im not sure that the issue with mine is. Either the receiver or the mag is out of spec... Anyways, I bought some steel mags and they work great. Im not going to bother with plastic mags... |
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks You never did say, but do USGI aluminum mags fit and function in your lower? This. Just use a good 'ol USGI mag with upgraded followers. You dont have to have plastic mags you know I hear that
If you can't use Magpul magazines, just get QUALITY USGI mags and add Magpul followers. I prefer NHMTG but D&H makes great magazines too. Those would probably be the only two USGI magazines I would trust. However there is one Company's Products that you should stay away from. I'm not going to mention any names, but the bottom line is they are complete garbage when compared to NHMTG and D&H. So, to clarify, NHMTG and D&H magazines are good to go and even better when you add Magpul followers. |
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks I have a POF P416 Gen II that will drop free P Mags. Also a POF 415 that does the same. hmm. is there any dimentional differences between gen 1 and 2 pmags? I know the rev m alllows you to store the cover on the bottom of the mag, but was wondering if they changed anything else such as the size. That may be why your pmags have been working in the POF P416 Gen II lowers and not for mine. |
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We'll after waiting a week for my Emag, I am dissapointed to say that the Emag doesn't fit my lower either. I thought that since it is designed for the 416, it would fit. So now I have two Pmag and an Emag that are useless to me. I need some help guys. Can somebody tell me for sure, what mags will fit a POF P-416 Gen II lower? I can't afford to keep buying mags that don't work Thanks You never did say, but do USGI aluminum mags fit and function in your lower? This. Just use a good 'ol USGI mag with upgraded followers. You dont have to have plastic mags you know I hear that
If you can't use Magpul magazines, just get QUALITY USGI mags and add Magpul followers. I prefer NHMTG but D&H makes great magazines too. Those would probably be the only two USGI magazines I would trust. However there is one Company's Products that you should stay away from. I'm not going to mention any names, but the bottom line is they are complete garbage when compared to NHMTG and D&H. So, to clarify, NHMTG and D&H magazines are good to go and even better when you add Magpul followers. Super Smooth
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