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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:01:40 PM EST
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Thanks for being a match sponsor, Paul & Wes!

Full report of match here: brianenos.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=16122

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:28:59 PM EST
what type of chromed bolt carrier is that in the last pic?  it looks lightened, with the machining done on the top-back portion.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:31:47 PM EST
Is that a "scout scope"?

What reticle does it have?

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:36:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:53:44 PM EST
Wes, on a previous thread you mentioned building a rifle for Taran Butler.  Could you give us the specs on his rifle.  Of particular interest is the type of barrel (and length), muzzle brake, optics and bullet used for this set-up.
Thanks for your contribuitions to the forum!
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:04:39 PM EST
I was under the impression the one with the VLTOR was Taran's.

Paul was shooting a neat gun, too.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:12:18 PM EST
Look carefully at the upper receiver in the last picture.  It's different.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:25:04 PM EST
Thought we could finally get a glimpse of Wes and Paul
The upper has the center milled out in the rails, for weight saving?  How much weight did that save?
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:33:43 PM EST
You know, I bet you could screw an ACOG into that slot, from the bottom...

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:38:59 PM EST
Holy cow, you're right, it has screw holes on it

But I would suspect that an ACOG thus mounted would be too low for comfort, and if the screw ever works itself loose it'll become a liability and jam the weapon, wouldn't it?
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:43:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 4:45:28 PM EST by Zak-Smith]
JP has a similar setup on their CTR-02 receiver:

MSTN's is on a more conventional receiver, and unlike the JP, it allows mounting the ACOG as far or further forward than a TA51.

As for comfort.. I've tried it on my CTR02, and I shouldered the rifle Paul had with it set up-- with a thin A1/A2 or VLTOR stock, you can get a good solid cheek weld with it, but it depends somewhat on the shape of your face.   I'd use it for conventional rifle shooting, but it's too low for me for action shooting.


EDIT:  regarding coming loose.  How often do the screws holding your ACOG to your TA51/ARMS#19/Larue come loose when locktited on there?    
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:53:52 PM EST
Zak I knew you were gonna say that, because nobody I know of, and none of mine has ever worked itself loose.
But there is one shortcoming (somewhat debatable one) I do see: if I mount it directly on the receiver instead of using a TA51, 19 or 19S, or LaRue's ACOG mount, I will no longer be able to quickly detach it.
True, ACOGs will probably survive something that will destroy the rifle first, therefore there's scant need to remove it in order to bring the BUIS up, but QD is nice..
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:13:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 5:21:51 PM EST by MSTN]
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:19:30 PM EST

        Thanks for supporting the Rocky Mountain 3-Gun

Semper Fi
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:21:32 PM EST
Are there any issues with dirt ingress through the non-plugged holes?

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:25:35 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:32:18 PM EST
Wes, I picked up one of those LW carriers from Paul to try out.  I was going to run it in my CTR02 next week at ITRC, but it won't fit (I think the CTR02 only takes JP's carriers).  I'll post a review of it compared to the LBC and the JP SS after I get back.


Link Posted: 8/23/2004 7:39:30 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:17:24 AM EST
Paul, it was a pleasure to meet you.

I tried the LW carrier in my MRP upper and another stripped LMT rec and it fit fine.  Only thing I noticed is that with the two bolts I tried, the gas rings were very tight and if the bolt carrier was eased forward slowly, it would stick just as they would start to move in the carrier.   Letting it slam forward even 1.5" worked fine.  I haven't shot it yet.

You have to get on the stock hard to get the full field of view with magnification. Perfect, as this is exactly what happens naturally when you try to shoot a stage with long shots requiring reasonable precision.

In some of the weird positions in Stage 4, I was unable to get both a good cheek weld, shoulder contact, and use the natural terrain available to rest the gun.  I ended up putting the stock up off my shoulder which made a good cheek weld impossible - and still got my hits fast.  

The full match report including many pictures is here: brianenos.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=16122
And all the pictures are here: apollo.demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/RM3GM-2004/

Link Posted: 8/23/2004 3:57:21 PM EST
Wes and Paul,

  Thanks for the info on the rifles.  Could you tell us a little more about the QC brake and share any close up pics you may have?

Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:02:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:41:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:55:13 AM EST

We had a guy trip and lay himself - and his full length FAL - down between positions 2 and 3.  RO made sure it was pointed in a safe direction and urged him to get up!

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