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Posted: 2/16/2006 7:17:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:34:50 AM EDT
Nice idea. If they could make one modular up to LA calibers (300WM) it would be very interesting.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:37:58 AM EDT
The AR industry has almost gone FULL CIRCUS!!
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:50:43 AM EDT
If the AK magwell uses the standard AR mag release, then I think that will be the closest any of us will get to having a KAC SR47 clone.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:57:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:02:16 AM EDT
I like the AK magwell. I wish you guys were going to sell them without me having to buy the AR mag well too.

You guys going to MPI the 7.62N bolts?
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:05:01 AM EDT
Thanks TWL as oif I don't have enough gun issues right now you had to go post this stuff and make it worse.





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Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:13:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:28:55 AM EDT
What 22 conversions are you targeting with the 10/22 magwell? I'm hoping it will work with a full-auto dedicated Ciener/Atchisson upper from Kuehl..
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:43:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:58:25 AM EDT
WOW - I'd LOVE to see this with AK mags and M14 mags... that would sweet
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 11:09:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twl:

Originally Posted By Griz:
What 22 conversions are you targeting with the 10/22 magwell? I'm hoping it will work with a full-auto dedicated Ciener/Atchisson upper from Kuehl..



We will offer a barrel and action system which will work in our MGI QCB upper receiver.
I see no reason why other conversions with dedicated uppers wouldn't also work with it.
However, we probably won't have opportunity to test it with all the available dedicated 22 conversions, and primarily target it for our particular conversion system.



If it's still in development, would you whisper into the appropriate engineer's ear that it would be awesome if it would trip a RDIAS and not suffer from bolt bounce? With Kuehl hanging it up soon, you might find that you would inherit a small but profitable market niche.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 11:11:36 AM EDT
nice! would be cool to see a QCB upper for the .308 as well.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 11:15:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 11:19:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 11:57:52 AM EDT
Um so what are the chances of seeing this with say a 12ga barrel and magwell.....
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 12:22:49 PM EDT
12 guage and I am in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 12:52:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 1:31:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 1:31:35 PM EDT by DevL]
I have been waiting for a 20ga AR platform based weapon for some time. Would you have to register the lower as both a SBS and SBR or would a single tax stamp cover both?

Would it be recoil operated or gas operated? Will you be making 10 round mags for it?
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 1:46:46 PM EDT
TAG for pics of new rail system
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 2:45:47 PM EDT
This is very innovative. I'm very impressed.

How does the magazine release work on the 308/M14-mag version? Does the last-round bolt hold-open work on it as well?

I really hope your product does well. This is great.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:24:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twl:

Originally Posted By photoman:
Um so what are the chances of seeing this with say a 12ga barrel and magwell.....



Ummm..............
Well, would you be willing to settle for a 20ga barrel, bolt, and magwell???
We are working on that.
12ga is a bit too big for the platform.

Probably won't see it this year, but it is possible to do the 20ga, and we have it on the development schedule.
20ga mag fed with buckshot loads might be nice.

You'll see belt feed modules for the lowers for 5.56 and 7.63x39 probably this year.

All this stuff takes some time to develop, and we will do it as we go along.
It's all possible.



If done right i think a 12ga could be done. It would be tricky but hey thats half the fun in doing stuff sometimes.

I haven't looked at it for a while i may have to again some time.....
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:27:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:
I have been waiting for a 20ga AR platform based weapon for some time. Would you have to register the lower as both a SBS and SBR or would a single tax stamp cover both?

Would it be recoil operated or gas operated? Will you be making 10 round mags for it?



None of the NFA stuff would really apply. And since no AWB(federaly) you don't really have to worry about taht either. Stick an 18.25 in barrel on it and yer GTG. Then if ya want say a 10in barrel just register the lower as an SBS and/or SBR(actually I don't know if that could be done be interesting for sure). It would have to be deemed for non sporting use to be pushed over to the DD catagory, so far the Saiga's haven't been pushed there so I doubt an AR 20ga variant would get tossed in that area either.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:53:05 PM EDT
I don't feel much need for a .308 now but I may spring for the price of the lower to give myself a building block for future projects-considering how I want something different every 6 months. This is a very exciting product!

Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:59:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twl:

Originally Posted By cookhj:
nice! would be cool to see a QCB upper for the .308 as well.



The MGI QCB for the AR15 is the one for the 308 as well.
Our 308 kit fits into the MGI AR15 QCB upper receiver, and uses the MGI AR15 Modular Lower receiver with the M14 308 magwell.
No oversized receivers are needed with our 308 package.
It's all on the same gun as the 223.
We're the first to ever do that.



so all you have to do is change out the barrel, bolt/carrier and magwell? that's the cat's pajamas right there!
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 4:18:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 4:50:41 PM EDT
How are you going to use the same upper for both 7.62N and 5.56?

Maybe I'm not reading it right, but if I am that's pretty freaking cool!
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 5:46:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 5:58:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:12:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 3:46:47 AM EDT
RDIAS compatible?
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 3:55:03 AM EDT
I like it. Great idea.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 5:26:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 6:36:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 6:37:19 AM EDT by olds442tyguy]

Originally Posted By twl:

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
How are you going to use the same upper for both 7.62N and 5.56?

Maybe I'm not reading it right, but if I am that's pretty freaking cool!



Yes, you are reading it right........


TWL, how exactly are you pulling it off? The only ways I could think of would be to shorten the bolt assembly some how, or have the carrier ride pretty far back in the buffer tube. I'm guessing you stretched the ejection port as well?

Also, do you have any plans to add a top rail on the forend to make it monolithic, or close to being monolithic?

I apologize if anything I say sounds dumb. This super modular stuff is foreign to me, but I'm very interested as this is quite a big leap in the AR system. Very good work!
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:04:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:23:18 AM EDT
Thanks for the very detailed and informative response. I'll definately be watching for pictures as this sounds like an extremely promising system.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 10:16:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twl:

Originally Posted By azathoth:
RDIAS compatible?



AT this time, it must be brought to a machinist by the purchaser, to be cut for RDIAS.

This may change in the future, but that's how it is for right now.
High shelf.



As long as it can be done without problems.
Maybe I should have biught a RDIAS insted of a RR.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 11:23:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 11:48:15 AM EDT by twl]
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 11:34:34 AM EDT
I gotta say that does look pretty promising. I have one last question then I'll quit annoying you. Will this be offered with a rifle length forend? Thanks!
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 11:42:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twl:
One of the things that we had to do was eliminate the last-round-bolt-hold-open device because of the room required to fit in the M14 magazine. We may figure out some way to get that back in there, but it is not present in the current prototype.



I'd almost willingly sacrifice the B.H.O. for a system that worked on the AR15 sized platform.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 12:08:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 12:14:08 PM EDT by twl]
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 2:37:50 PM EDT
hell yes That looks killer tom how long do you estimate before i am able to get mine? thanks ADAM
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 4:41:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 5:06:33 PM EDT
Thank you SIR

Just a side note to anyone reading if you are thinking of purchasing any mgi products make sure you buy the right here from tom (TWL) you will not have better customer service anywhere. and the products are awesome.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 5:54:01 PM EDT
Oh boy! I like this system a lot better with the rails actually cut into the handguard. The previous system with the handguard made out of a tube and rails bolted on was way less elegant looking. Looks like you guys added a retainer for those QR handles that release the barrel. How's that work? (Kinda looks like it fits the picatiny rail, that would be cool.)

One of my buddies has an early version of the QCB, and it was really awesome. The only thing was that the handguards finish looked worse for the wear. What kind of finish is on this new handguard?
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 6:03:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 7:07:57 PM EDT
Saw this thing out at Shot. It is really nice. I have a QCB upper already and have modified it to hold the extension steady, yadda yadda yadda. But this new one and it's extension and the cam lock...wow. I am saving now. I want one. By the middle of March I should have the money for the new upper and the lower.

When the shotgun set up comes out - I am definitely getting that!!!!!!!! Can not wait. Seriously - I can see me explaining to the game warden how my AR-15 is really good for dove/duck/qual in North Texas.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 7:23:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By doc-rock:
When the shotgun set up comes out - I am definitely getting that!!!!!!!! Can not wait. Seriously - I can see me explaining to the game warden how my AR-15 is really good for dove/duck/qual in North Texas.



It brings to mind that duck hunting scene in The Distinguished Gentleman
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:29:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By doc-rock:
Saw this thing out at Shot. It is really nice. I have a QCB upper already and have modified it to hold the extension steady, yadda yadda yadda. But this new one and it's extension and the cam lock...wow. I am saving now. I want one. By the middle of March I should have the money for the new upper and the lower.

When the shotgun set up comes out - I am definitely getting that!!!!!!!! Can not wait. Seriously - I can see me explaining to the game warden how my AR-15 is really good for dove/duck/qual in North Texas.



just so you know i m pretty sure you wont have to buy a whole new upper i think u can send your old one in and have it retrofitted
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 4:41:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:00:06 AM EDT
gotcha TWL well hey just look at the postive points now you willl have 2 uppers with the quick change barrel system, you just wont know what to do with alll of your choices.
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