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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:40:46 PM EDT

Is the M16 in the below photo a M16A1 or a M16 rebuilt to M16A1 standards or what? It is only marked M16.

It is still an american made one right and not one of the overseas made ones isn't it?

It is supposedly in original configuration with the original finish.

Thanks!

Posted: 10/27/2010 4:55:02 PM EDT

[#1]

I believe it is the export version of the model 603.I'm not well versed on the export ones,so I'm sure someone will jump in with the correct model nomenclature.

Posted: 10/27/2010 5:03:31 PM EDT

[#2]

There's no number near the serial number? On receivers like this there's often a 3-digit model number near the serial.

Posted: 10/27/2010 5:12:23 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
There's no number near the serial number? On receivers like this there's often a 3-digit model number near the serial.

Nope, just

CAL. 5.56MM
509XXXX

Posted: 10/27/2010 5:38:51 PM EDT

[#4]

Here is a US property marked M16A1 that is very close in the same 5 million s/n range. My guess is what you have is a 613 export model M16A1. From what I have been told these 5 million s/n rifles were manufactured in the early to mid 70's.

Posted: 10/27/2010 5:47:10 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Is the M16 in the below photo a M16A1 or a M16 rebuilt to M16A1 standards or what? It is only marked M16.

It is still an american made one right and not one of the overseas made ones isn't it?

It is supposedly in original configuration with the original finish.

Thanks!

http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy267/ssnfa/M161-1.jpg

http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy267/ssnfa/M163.jpg

http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy267/ssnfa/M162.jpg

So, I guess the question is: are you buying it?

Posted: 10/27/2010 5:52:05 PM EDT

[#6]

+1 for 613 export model. It's has 603 features, but if it was a 603, it'd be "U.S. Property" marked.

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:22:25 PM EDT

[#7]

The seller doesn't have any info on it?

Airsoft lower? Seems to me I remember seeing this symbol or a similiar one on Saudi or Abu Dhabi weapons, but the position of the COLT M16 doesn't seem right, even for a 613, although I can't remember.

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:38:28 PM EDT

[#8]

No it is correct, here is one Ruben had for sale not to long ago.

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:48:39 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
The seller doesn't have any info on it?

Airsoft lower? Seems to me I remember seeing this symbol or a similiar one on Saudi or Abu Dhabi weapons, but the position of the COLT M16 doesn't seem right, even for a 613, although I can't remember.

That rifle is real.

Posted: 10/28/2010 2:05:44 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

So, I guess the question is: are you buying it?

Yes, but I am a SOT buying it for a customer. He just wanted some more information about it.

I will post up some more pics of it with his blessing when it comes in.

Posted: 10/28/2010 8:45:17 AM EDT

[#11]

CK upper =1971-73

Posted: 10/28/2010 10:08:48 AM EDT

[#12]

I was thinking I've seen that symbol on the lower before - IIRC it represents a scirocco, (whirlwind) and is the symbol of some middle eastern army. What blows my mind is the lack of a s/n, which is why I wondered if you were pulling our legs.

So - let me ask you guys - the COLT M16 to the right of the prancing pony is obviously a different location from what I'm used to - is this something that's unique to export rifles like 613's and 614's? Seems like I learn something new everyday around here!

Posted: 10/28/2010 10:51:22 AM EDT

[#13]

I believe it was just the first style of commercial lower. Its the same style stamping as the SP1 lower, except that the SP1 lower says "AR-15" instead of "M16."

Posted: 10/28/2010 3:33:30 PM EDT

[#14]

It is a 613 export version of the 603.
Made in the US.
The strange "symbol" is a photoshop distortion of the serial number and caliber.
I made be do a double take at first too.

Posted: 10/28/2010 6:28:42 PM EDT

[#15]

TexSquirrel is correct. The distortion is my doing to conceal the serial number since it isn't my gun.

Thanks for everyones help. We bought the rifle and it should be here in 4-6 weeks if all goes well.

Posted: 10/29/2010 1:01:01 AM EDT

[#16]

Well now I feel dumb as a box of rocks.

No WONDER it didn't have a s/n.

I know I've seen that symbol before - maybe from another one of your pics?

Posted: 10/29/2010 9:36:07 AM EDT

[#17]

Little distortion on upper ,is it a CK upper ??

Posted: 10/29/2010 5:20:45 PM EDT

[#18]

The gun is a commercial "M16". Once the M16 became a household word in America, Colt trademarked the term and used it to flog rifles built out of spare parts to the police and civilian markets.

People need to be clear: when we talk of the features of the M16 (i.e. no forward assist), we are talking of the contractual requirements of the US DoD. But when Colt built stuff for the commercial market under the term "M16"(tm), they were under no obligation to make them the same as the USGI M16. They must be treated as two different rifles. Colt could have marketed a .22 LR pistol with a cabbage for a front sight and called it "M16". Once you got outside of the DoD contracted rifles, anything was game.

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