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Posted: 12/19/2008 7:56:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2008 8:46:01 PM EDT
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Exactly. That's basically how many IDF rifles are set up. Take an M16A1, and throw the newer handguards on it. Exactly like a 653, except the 653 uses the 16" barrel and handguard along with the carbine stock. 
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Posted: 12/19/2008 8:54:38 PM EDT
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In 1988, the old stocks of triangular handguards ran out and any A1 needing new stocks got the black, round A2s. Along with buttstocks. They were specifically interchangable.
Since the A1s had specific left and rights and the lefts suffered more breakage due to slinging, any rifle with a broken RIGHT handguard got a used replacement. |
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Posted: 12/19/2008 9:19:13 PM EDT
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Does anybody have pics of them? It makes for a very nice looking lightweight rifle IMHO. |
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Posted: 12/20/2008 6:59:54 AM EDT
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Does Israel make their own M16's or is the US still supplying M16s to them?
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Posted: 12/20/2008 7:04:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2008 7:11:10 AM EDT
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Didn't Lone Star Ordnance first start making the round A2 rifle handguards to replace the triangular ones on A1s and SP1s? If I recall correctly they gave Colt the idea along with everyone else. I remembering ordering a pair for my first A1 build back in the mid-80s. They also had the best pistol grip around at the time and I wouldn't mind obtaining more of those even now.
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Posted: 12/20/2008 7:49:07 AM EDT
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Didn't Lone Star Ordnance first start making the round A2 rifle handguards to replace the triangular ones on A1s and SP1s? If I recall correctly they gave Colt the idea along with everyone else. I remembering ordering a pair for my first A1 build back in the mid-80s. They also had the best pistol grip around at the time and I wouldn't mind obtaining more of those even now. 
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Posted: 12/20/2008 7:50:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2008 9:29:08 AM EDT
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Didn't Lone Star Ordnance first start making the round A2 rifle handguards to replace the triangular ones on A1s and SP1s? If I recall correctly they gave Colt the idea along with everyone else. I remembering ordering a pair for my first A1 build back in the mid-80s. They also had the best pistol grip around at the time and I wouldn't mind obtaining more of those even now. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/scan0067.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/scan0066.jpg Ah yes, Lone Star and L.L. Baston Co. I spent many a paycheck between both of those suppliers. Baston was my main supplier for all things Colt. |
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Posted: 12/20/2008 9:36:23 AM EDT
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Take a look at the Colt Sporter II models. They had A1 style uppers but A2 profile barrels and furniture.
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Posted: 12/20/2008 1:47:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2008 2:03:32 PM EDT
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You can also take a google trip and look for the Canadian C7. It has the heavy barrel and a shell deflector though. Still has A1 type sights though.
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Posted: 12/20/2008 2:27:23 PM EDT
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What a Franken rifle. A2 lower, hybrid A1 upper (brass deflector) A1 butt with A2 handguards and pistol grip. |
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Posted: 12/20/2008 2:38:30 PM EDT
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What a Franken rifle. A2 lower, hybrid A1 upper (brass deflector) A1 butt with A2 handguards and pistol grip. Yep it is, but it is an A2 stock on her. 
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Posted: 12/20/2008 3:02:40 PM EDT
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Many of our AF M16's had A2 furniture Butt/handguards as replacements since you couldn't get the triangle hanguards or A1 buttstocks...
+2 Makes a very good combination, M16/M16A1 with the better ergonomics of A2 furniture without the extra A2 weight . |
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Posted: 12/20/2008 6:18:05 PM EDT
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Didn't Lone Star Ordnance first start making the round A2 rifle handguards to replace the triangular ones on A1s and SP1s? If I recall correctly they gave Colt the idea along with everyone else. I remembering ordering a pair for my first A1 build back in the mid-80s. They also had the best pistol grip around at the time and I wouldn't mind obtaining more of those even now. IM me your address. 
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Posted: 12/20/2008 6:36:33 PM EDT
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Wrap your heads around this one:
ROTC cadets carrying M16A1s with A2 handguards, wearing ACUs, wearing vintage LCEs and ALICE packs. IIRC, this photo is from this past summer. ~Augee |
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Posted: 12/20/2008 6:57:20 PM EDT
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That's certainly interesting I thought all M16A1s were completely phased out. Now it would be cool to see the A1's with the A4's rails. The M16A1 can be fitted with M203s correct?
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Posted: 12/20/2008 7:32:33 PM EDT
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The M16A1 can be fitted with M203s correct? It sure can. Was issued an M16A1 w/203 in Germany, early 1980’s. |
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Posted: 12/21/2008 7:51:21 PM EDT
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203 was designed for the M16A1, and is the reason for the "government profile" barrel of the A2, as well as the notch on the M4 barrel. All to match the A1 profile barrel that the original mounts were designed for.
~Augee |
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Posted: 12/22/2008 11:58:48 AM EDT
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Are there any vendors that make M16A1 clones? If not how would I go about building one?
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Posted: 12/22/2008 12:19:54 PM EDT
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Are there any vendors that make M16A1 clones? Fulton Armory used to, even then they were not absolutely correct (wrong lower, and often wrong upper) If not how would I go about building one? Start by hitting the Retro Forum, then decide which era you want you M16A1 from. You'll need a NoDakSpud A1 lower, an M16A1 upper (surplus ones still hit the EE from time to time) and you'll have to decide on which buttstock - the 60's build with the solid stock, or the 70's and later build with the trapdoor stock... Then you can really start getting anal with the right selector, reannodizing the charging handle and other small parts to 'Colt Grey' etc. |
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Posted: 12/22/2008 10:52:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:01:57 AM EDT
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The Lone star round handies for the A1 or A2 rifle are non interchangable halves. They have a unique look to them, as they are skinnier than
the real Colt pattern roundies, and have about half the number of vertical ribs, front to back. I'd like to get another set sometime, if I can ever find 'em. 
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:10:53 AM EDT
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I love pencil barels and hate A1 handguards. They pinch.
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:46:24 AM EDT
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I was waiting for one of you guys to mention that in 84' to 86' Colt was making "transitional" models from A-1 to A-2, and there was often a mix of parts on the new "A-2's"...Colt often used up old parts before switching to new styles.
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