Ok heres what I have now, 1.) Bushmaster M4A4 with a full heavy barrel, Phanotm flash hider, ACOG and a ARMS military forend (kinda big and bulky) 2.) Std. 20" Bushmaster that is a stock as a rock flattop. My plans are to modify it into a 18" SOPMOD?? here www.angusarms.com and build at least 2 other M4s setup differently. I'm also looking at no front sites etc. I have a extra Bushmaster lower that I was thinking of turning into a 6.8 and buying all new kits, etc for the other 2 - 5.56's I want to build. The reason I'm looking at a 308 based AR is just something different to play with that I canstill utilize my Scopes, Sites and other M4 based toys that are not calibur specific. I bought my first AR (Colt) back 20 years ago?) Anyway after going through about 3 or 4 I got into building them then about 7 years ago I built my last one slowly modified it over the last coupla years and now the bug has bit hard again and I want to build up some custom ones for the enjoyment of them. When I bought my last stuff all there was, was Colt, Bushmaster, DPMS which at that time kinda left alot to be said for, Armalite and Eagle Arms? Now you have a whole selection that is second to none. The reason I was asking on Blackhill is I have some 223 pressure but I was wondering if they load to 556 pressure for civillians? Whew I live out here in Washington State we have further distances and everything from Bear - Cougars so as you see not only do I do alot of Coyoteing but also want it to have enough protection from the bigger animals. Kinda freaky when you look out the window your kids are outside and theres a Cougar, happend twice first one went down after 4 rounds of 223 55 grain, second one went down with the trusty 00 buck from a Benelli. So hopefully you see where I'm at now and where I'm trying to get. Thanks for the replys and you guys are great! One last thing do you have any reccommend places to buy from? One last thing I have a good friend down on the border with the Border Patrol in AZ and he knows I have been a AR fan forever and was wanting me to pick him up a rail system, scope, and front forgrip, his duty gun is a M4A2 with the carry handle. Seems even though they are supposed to have that stuff issued theres no money so they have to buy it if they want to get it.