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Posted: 8/2/2003 4:11:05 AM EDT
Any links to good websites which will be able to show which duty ammo my PD should be using, or atleast testing?

My supervisors want me to come with some info/data/tests on ammo in which we should be looking at.

I have NO clue where to start. Once again, I need to be able to show them stats and info on paper.

Link Posted: 8/2/2003 6:21:20 AM EDT
LOOK AT THESE SITES, SEE IF THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. http://www.bushmaster.com/le/tests/hornady_tactical_ammunition.htm http://www.ballisticsresearch.com/rifle_samples.php http://www.closefocusresearch.com/html/weapon_systems.html http://www.aaconsult.com/ammoreview/ http://www.ammo-oracle.com/ http://www.remington.com/NR/exeres/000011e7ehqrpopuwbslihod/RemArms+Product+Group.asp?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fammo%2fballistics%2fballistics%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b4F84126C-5E11-4B1F-89E6-95AB18499B6A%7d&NRQUERYTERMINATOR=1&cookie%5Ftest=1 http://blackwaterusa.com/btw/articles/riflecarbine.html Paste these into your browser and take a look.
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 7:46:45 PM EDT
LPD111, The FBI will send you a CD loaded with ammo data, results of their ballistic tests, etc. Several .223 rounds have been tested. Send a letterhead request to: Linda Allison Ballistics Research Facility FBI Academy Quantico, VA 22131 The letter must be signed by a sergeant or higher rank and must state that you will not disseminate the information outside your law enforcement agency. Also, check out [url]www.tacticalforums.com[/url] and do a search in The Terminal Effects Forum for .223 and 5.56. Look for posts by DocGKR. Dan
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 8:44:09 PM EDT
[url]www.tacticalforums.com[/url] Being you are a cop, Doc can provide you with whatever convincing info you will need. More than likely he's going to recommend the Hornady or Black Hills 75 gr open tip match for anti-personnel use and Federal 62 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw softpoints for use against barriers like glass and automobiles. Determine exactly what your department's needs are and choose an ammo reflecting that need as well as taking into consideration the rifles you use. Certain ammo may not work well with certain twist rates. For example, the 75 gr loads sometimes don't stabilize well and demonstrate poor accuracy in 1/9 twist barrels while working perfectly in 1/7 twists. Doc will be able to help you and he knows his stuff. -Charging Handle
Link Posted: 8/3/2003 1:51:17 PM EDT
Awesome information and links. Thanks a lot. I will write up a dept. letter tonight at work and send it off in the morning. Also, all those links were very imformative also. THANKS AGAIN!
Link Posted: 8/3/2003 4:49:11 PM EDT
We just went through this selection at my department and evaluated numerous manufacturers rounds. Our requirement was reliability, stopping performance, and body armor penetration. The ability to defeat body armor was the main consideration is getting our rifles, 2 Colt M-4 select fire(14.5"bbl), and 2 Colt Commando's (10"bbl) select fire. Maximum deployment range was determined to be 80 to 100 yds, anything further would be handled by our G-3's or bolt guns. Using the above criteria, my Department selected XM-193 and Q3131a as the specified ammo. It has reliable stopping performance out of both weapons, there are no reliability issues with this mil-spec ammo in these ex-military weapons, and both rounds were capable of defeating body armor at the ranges specified. Another factor in selecting the 55 gr round was if other milsurplus weapons were obtained for issuance as a patrol rifle, there would not be a compatibility issue with existing ammo stores. This was based on several departments getting surplus M-16 A1's with 1 in 12 barrels. The other commercial rounds tested performed well, sometimes exceeding the mil-spec ammo. However, all of them had .223 cases, and the issue of reliability during full auto fire kept coming up. Only one commercial round, the TRU utilized a mil-spec case, but it did not have a history to compare with the other rounds. For your Department, determine what your requirements are for the rifles, how they will be deployed and how they are to be used. From this develop the specifications for your ammo needs, what ammo your rifles can handle, and go from there. Good luck in your selection. Let us know what you guys opted for.
Link Posted: 8/4/2003 8:35:34 PM EDT
MAINEiac, Might be a stupud question, but is there a street address for the Ballistic Research Facility at the FBI Academy, or should I address the envelope just as you have it typed out? I have the letter all done and signed off on, just need to mail it out. THANKS!
Link Posted: 8/5/2003 6:27:53 AM EDT
LPD111, Not stupid at all, address the envelope exactly as above. They update the CD from time to time. When I got the most recent version this Spring I think it took 5 or 6 weeks to receive after sending the request. Dan
Link Posted: 8/6/2003 9:30:46 AM EDT
I didn't see if anyone else mentioned it, but I would also check out Black Hills. You just tell them what your twist rate, barrel lenght, and intended use is, and they'll tell you what they recommend. I called them and started using their 60gr. soft point. They use LC brass on the stuf that I got. Also, I know Hornady has a lot of test data. I got a 3 ring binder full of al of their test data from a dealer who carries their ammo.
Link Posted: 8/12/2003 4:52:10 PM EDT
So who uses what and where do you order it from? I can carry my M-4 but have no idea whats best to use as a general service round. What gr. does the Hornady TAP come in?
Link Posted: 8/13/2003 12:20:06 AM EDT
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