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Posted: 6/20/2016 7:24:52 PM EDT
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I always thought Acogs only came with tritium. Just found out about the AA battery powered LED version that has over 12,000 hour battery life.
I've used the tritium version before and really liked the optic, but I was concerned about having to get new tritium from a cost standpoint. Any thoughts on the LED version? Just as bombproof as the original? |
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I don't think the cost to recharge an ACOG is prohibitive. Isn't it less than $200? Over, the typical span of a tritium charge, you are looking at an amortized cost of < $20/year. I think the big advantage of the AA models would be to avoid the issue of reticle washout when looking at a bright target from a darkened position. With the LED, you would be able to dial up the intensity.
Or vice versa, you could dial down the intensity when out in the bright sun when the fiber optic units tend to bloom. |
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I don't think the cost to recharge an ACOG is prohibitive. Isn't it less than $200? Over, the typical span of a tritium charge, you are looking at an amortized cost of < $20/year. I think the big advantage of the AA models would be to avoid the issue of reticle washout when looking at a bright target from a darkened position. With the LED, you would be able to dial up the intensity. Or vice versa, you could dial down the intensity when out in the bright sun when the fiber optic units tend to bloom. This. My acog on a super sunny day is pretty much a red dot. The chevron is so bright it looks like a ball |
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I don't think the cost to recharge an ACOG is prohibitive. Isn't it less than $200? Over, the typical span of a tritium charge, you are looking at an amortized cost of < $20/year. I think the big advantage of the AA models would be to avoid the issue of reticle washout when looking at a bright target from a darkened position. With the LED, you would be able to dial up the intensity. Or vice versa, you could dial down the intensity when out in the bright sun when the fiber optic units tend to bloom. Google shows on another forum that it cost them about $580 to get the tritium replaced. People say you see very noticeable dimness after 8 years so that's like $70+ a year? |
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Yeah, you seem to be right with the ~$600 range. I had a sootch00 video on the brain where he got a NSN recharged for $188. I haven't done it myself but my oldest ACOG is over 10 years and there is still useable illumination from the remaining tritium. I have no doubt that next to a brand new model that mine would be dim.
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Yeah, you seem to be right with the ~$600 range. I had a sootch00 video on the brain where he got a NSN recharged for $188. I haven't done it myself but my oldest ACOG is over 10 years and there is still useable illumination from the remaining tritium. I have no doubt that next to a brand new model that mine would be dim. I plan on just using the black etched reticle when mine runs out and not recharging it. I don't plan on shooting in the dark much and besides it has the fiber optic as well. |
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Does it still use the fiber? Or only the led? I like the fiber. Hate the tritium. No fiberoptic - LED is the only illum source. I don't really get the tritium thing -- if you're using an ACOG indoors in the dark, you either have NVG (for which the tritium is WAY too bright) or a white light (for which the tritium is WAY too dim). Any decent amount of ambient light will illuminate the reticle using the fiberoptic. I supposed you could use the tritium on a moonlit night outdoors where you can just about see the targets using ambient light but the reticle just needs a bit of a boost to be visible... So... I don't worry about the tritium in my ACOGs. 
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| If you're looking at LED ACOGs, look at the Browe BCO. It's exactly like an ACOG, even looks identical, except SCHOTT glass, titanium housing, and automatically adjusts brightness based on the light at the point of aim, which completely eliminates the main knock on ACOGs - washing out when in dark shooting into light or blooming when in light shooting into dark. I'm about to list mine for sale for personal financial reasons but damn it's a nice optic, what the ACOG should be. Brian Browe was with Trijicon for over 20 years. |
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No fiberoptic - LED is the only illum source. I don't really get the tritium thing -- if you're using an ACOG indoors in the dark, you either have NVG (for which the tritium is WAY too bright) or a white light (for which the tritium is WAY too dim). Any decent amount of ambient light will illuminate the reticle using the fiberoptic. I supposed you could use the tritium on a moonlit night outdoors where you can just about see the targets using ambient light but the reticle just needs a bit of a boost to be visible... So... I don't worry about the tritium in my ACOGs. Quoted:
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Does it still use the fiber? Or only the led? I like the fiber. Hate the tritium. No fiberoptic - LED is the only illum source. I don't really get the tritium thing -- if you're using an ACOG indoors in the dark, you either have NVG (for which the tritium is WAY too bright) or a white light (for which the tritium is WAY too dim). Any decent amount of ambient light will illuminate the reticle using the fiberoptic. I supposed you could use the tritium on a moonlit night outdoors where you can just about see the targets using ambient light but the reticle just needs a bit of a boost to be visible... So... I don't worry about the tritium in my ACOGs. Concur. The tritium illumination is worthless, and don't worry about it, and will never bother to get one "recharged." The ACOG is a great day optic, at night you ought to be using something else, whether that be an MRD, IR laser and NODs, etc. Haven't tried the LED ACOGs, but I think it's a step in the right direction. Another one, IMHO, would be to just release some ACOG models without the tritium to begin with, could probably knock a couple hundred dollars off the cost by deleting that "feature" altogether, but why would they, I guess? Even people (like me) who think the tritium is stupid have and will pony up for a "complete" ACOG. 
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Same here, especially the new TA11 LED Quoted:
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I am kind of committed to the tritium and fiber optic acog at this time , but if I felt the need for another I think I would give the led one a shot Same here, especially the new TA11 LED This makes me sad... I really really really want, but so many other things. need lowers and ammo now, can't throw that kind of coin at one optic right now. Damn you BRD! too many projects! At least it will be available for awhile. |
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Quoted: No fiberoptic - LED is the only illum source. I don't really get the tritium thing -- if you're using an ACOG indoors in the dark, you either have NVG (for which the tritium is WAY too bright) or a white light (for which the tritium is WAY too dim). Any decent amount of ambient light will illuminate the reticle using the fiberoptic. I supposed you could use the tritium on a moonlit night outdoors where you can just about see the targets using ambient light but the reticle just needs a bit of a boost to be visible... So... I don't worry about the tritium in my ACOGs. Quoted: Quoted: Does it still use the fiber? Or only the led? I like the fiber. Hate the tritium. No fiberoptic - LED is the only illum source. I don't really get the tritium thing -- if you're using an ACOG indoors in the dark, you either have NVG (for which the tritium is WAY too bright) or a white light (for which the tritium is WAY too dim). Any decent amount of ambient light will illuminate the reticle using the fiberoptic. I supposed you could use the tritium on a moonlit night outdoors where you can just about see the targets using ambient light but the reticle just needs a bit of a boost to be visible... So... I don't worry about the tritium in my ACOGs. |
| I had (and sold due to eye relief) a TA02 LED ACOG. I also had a TA31H tritium/fiber ACOG. Hands down, no question, the LED was my proffered one. At the time you couldn't get different recitcle's, but now I think you can. I would LOVE to get an LED in the horseshoe. I also saw the TA11 is coming out in LED versions, I will be getting one since it addresses my main concern of eye relief with the 4x's. |
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No fiberoptic - LED is the only illum source. I don't really get the tritium thing -- if you're using an ACOG indoors in the dark, you either have NVG (for which the tritium is WAY too bright) or a white light (for which the tritium is WAY too dim). Any decent amount of ambient light will illuminate the reticle using the fiberoptic. I supposed you could use the tritium on a moonlit night outdoors where you can just about see the targets using ambient light but the reticle just needs a bit of a boost to be visible... So... I don't worry about the tritium in my ACOGs. Quoted:
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Does it still use the fiber? Or only the led? I like the fiber. Hate the tritium. No fiberoptic - LED is the only illum source. I don't really get the tritium thing -- if you're using an ACOG indoors in the dark, you either have NVG (for which the tritium is WAY too bright) or a white light (for which the tritium is WAY too dim). Any decent amount of ambient light will illuminate the reticle using the fiberoptic. I supposed you could use the tritium on a moonlit night outdoors where you can just about see the targets using ambient light but the reticle just needs a bit of a boost to be visible... So... I don't worry about the tritium in my ACOGs. I've got this mentality as well. The tritium illum is neat I guess, but really not all that useful. Even when new it's not *that* bright, and only in limited circumstances. In contrast I absolutely love the FO illum as it adjusts to lighting conditions, is super bright outdoors which really catches your eye, and has nothing to decay or need replacing. I really don't get why people pay any significant money to have them relamped. Hell, if they offered a tritium-less FO model at any savings at all, I'd pick it up. This too would be easy to export similar to the LED model. I almost wonder why they haven't at least attempted this with their Accupoint line, I'd bet the cost savings would sell more units than the tritium as a sale point, but maybe that's just my bias. |
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Trijicon should make a dual illuminated ACOG that uses fibre optics AND battery illumination. I'd def prefer that to tritium, I bet it would cost about the same, but would work a lot better, not need relamping, give consistent performance over time, and allow for export sales. |
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Everyone in the country needs to email Trijicon exactly this. Quoted:
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I wish acog would make a fiber optic version buy itself or a fiber optic with battery options. I bet the tritium is the most expensive part Everyone in the country needs to email Trijicon exactly this. Just emailed them. |
| I've sold off all my Ta01's and Ta31f and replaced them with the LED models. I run them hard with zero problems. As everyone knows the Acog is battle proven. Don't get me wrong I liked the fiber optic but has a downside to it. The LED can to adjusted to any lighting condition and best of all can be used with NVD. After talking with Trijicon I see the future moving towards the LED. |
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Here's Trijicon's email reply to my suggestion of FO and LED.
Good afternoon and thank you for your inquiry, unfortunately we are not in any process to design that setup but it has been brought up before however not a lot, with that being said I have forwarded on your request to the R&D department for tracking and review. Thank you again and have a great day.
Sincerely KH Trijicon Technical Support SO GET THOSE EMAILS IN PLEASE! |
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I'd def prefer that to tritium, I bet it would cost about the same, but would work a lot better, not need relamping, give consistent performance over time, and allow for export sales. Quoted:
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Trijicon should make a dual illuminated ACOG that uses fibre optics AND battery illumination. I'd def prefer that to tritium, I bet it would cost about the same, but would work a lot better, not need relamping, give consistent performance over time, and allow for export sales. Precisely. There are nothing but positives to make that switch. |
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No fiberoptic - LED is the only illum source. I don't really get the tritium thing -- if you're using an ACOG indoors in the dark, you either have NVG (for which the tritium is WAY too bright) or a white light (for which the tritium is WAY too dim). Any decent amount of ambient light will illuminate the reticle using the fiberoptic. I supposed you could use the tritium on a moonlit night outdoors where you can just about see the targets using ambient light but the reticle just needs a bit of a boost to be visible... So... I don't worry about the tritium in my ACOGs. Quoted:
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Does it still use the fiber? Or only the led? I like the fiber. Hate the tritium. No fiberoptic - LED is the only illum source. I don't really get the tritium thing -- if you're using an ACOG indoors in the dark, you either have NVG (for which the tritium is WAY too bright) or a white light (for which the tritium is WAY too dim). Any decent amount of ambient light will illuminate the reticle using the fiberoptic. I supposed you could use the tritium on a moonlit night outdoors where you can just about see the targets using ambient light but the reticle just needs a bit of a boost to be visible... So... I don't worry about the tritium in my ACOGs. Agreed. Tritium is cool, but the best thing about it is it lets you buy used, burnt out ACOGs for cheap. |
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If you're looking at LED ACOGs, look at the Browe BCO. It's exactly like an ACOG, even looks identical, except SCHOTT glass, titanium housing, and automatically adjusts brightness based on the light at the point of aim, which completely eliminates the main knock on ACOGs - washing out when in dark shooting into light or blooming when in light shooting into dark. I'm about to list mine for sale for personal financial reasons but damn it's a nice optic, what the ACOG should be. Brian Browe was with Trijicon for over 20 years. This. Better glass than the ACOG. |
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