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Posted: 9/15/2004 10:11:23 AM EDT
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I don't know but if it is a depleted uranium round, where can I get some?
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Frangible Dept of Energy round. Don't want to poke holes in the hot pipes!
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Is it a round to defeat body armor? I saw an article a few years back , it showed a 9mm round that appeares to be similar in design. In the pictures of the 9mm I saw, the bullet was completley (bored?) through, and the plug was used like a sabot. I believe they were called Cyclone rounds, and only availible to Government orginizations (FBI, ATF, DOE ,Military ect.). The stated purpose of the rounds in the article was to defeat body armour, as it is now far more likely that terroist and other no goodnicks are likely to be using body armor. Just a guess.
Steve. |
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+1 would be my guess |
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Looks like some of the frangibles i have (compressed copper) but mine aren't black? does that make them more evEEEIL?
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This would be a S.L.A.P round....Sabotted Light Armor Piercing.....sorry for the spelling.
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Sabots would be a segmented metal or plastic. This round has a full diameter copper jacket. The smallest SLAP I know of is the .308 SLAP with a .223 bullet. |
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1.yes, its Austrian
2.made for gunfighting on offshore oil rigs and Nuke facilities 3.will function in full auto weapons 4.will reliably kill out to 30 meters......WILL NOT go through metal pipes/reasonably thick tempered glass, and sheet metal so as to not blow everyone to kingdom come. 5.contains no lead Heck this stuff would be great if you used your M4 as an apartment gun :) Thanks everyone for replies in this quiz! |
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And just where can I.... uh.... I mean SOMEONE obtain this ammo?
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That's pretty cool.
Is this stuff legal for civies? Does it have a lower noise signature? Wonder How well it would work on small pest control around my house? |
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Civy legal to be sure...the problem is finding the stuff ,as it was rare here to start with.....I only have one 20rd box that I have had almost 8 yrs. its called simply"HP short range/ lead free"
we got it about the time hirtenberger "FL" 9mm Austrian police ammo and GECO "BAT" 9mm from germany was still obtainable. its still as loud as a regular ball round...but decelerates and falls to the ground by 200 meters if fired level, and yes it would work on all kinds of pest problems without going through your whole house. |
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It's one of those new Medium Point Sharpie 5.56 Permanent Markers. I seen those at Staples before. They can really do some damage on your passed out drunk friend's face.
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lol :) well ...it would make you "king of the mountain" at an airsoft game too OOOOOWWWWWTHATwasMYliver!!!!!!!!!(im going to hell..that was sick)
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Anyone know if there's a civvie-equivalent to this stuff? Seems like it'd be a valuable asset for apartment dwellers and such.
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There's a similar US GI "short range training" (SRTA) round; but it lacks the metal bullet jacket, and it won't cycle an M16 unless you use the special SRTA bolt. I've seen the rounds at gunshows a couple of times, but not in shootable quantities or at shootable prices. The 7.62mm NATO and .50 BMG versions are a bit easier to find, but aren't exactly common. I shot a lot of the 7.62mm NATO SRTA in my basement and backyard, using an HK91 with the bolt locking rollers removed. Making a blowback bolt for an AR would not be that easy (though I supose you could use a 9mm bolt?), and I've never seen the SRTA bolts ("M2 bolt"?) for sale. Several of the former Warsaw Pact countries produced training rounds using a core-less FMJ bullet. The East German 7.62mmx39 stuff showed up on the surplus market a few years ago, and Romanian 7.62x54R is available at present. |
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A couple of notes:
This ammo has LOUSY terminal ballistics. Be happy you don't work around stuff that would require you to use this ammo. When you have to worry about putting holes in nuclear cooling pipes (or in the computers that control the valves), this stuff beats not having a gun, but it isn't a great round compared to more common offerings. This ammo may penetrate even Level III vests at close range, due to the high velocity of the projectile. Velocity falls off VERY fast, though. -Troy |
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Theoretically, if you were protecting a nuclear power plant you would be shooting away from the sensitive material (yes I understand plants are complex) while the bad guys would be shooting at you (and the sensitive nuclier thingies you're protecting) with real bullets.
And with all the AK47's flooding our streets now, they will probably be shooting back with big-fat-hole-making 7.62x39 rounds. It just seems kind of silly. |
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it has lousey ballistics on purpose...and it wasnt ment for the guards outside on the perimeter of the plant or plant guards in general.........its a GSG9/SAS dynamic entry type round......you could shoot the heck out of a BG with a GG right behind and not worry about a through and though gunshot wound that would hit the GG too. It was made for gunfighting "in da house" not outside in the wide open spaces and since no adapter was needed you just carried a magazine or two for if you needed such a thing and otherwise use the regular stuff. it was just one more club in the golf bag...sometimes you need a 9 iron...sometimes a putter
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Never worked nuke recovery or anything similar have you? |
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Would a very light weight bullet like the 40gr. TNT varmit rounds etc do essentially the same thing but be much cheaper?
S.O. |
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I read some articles last month avout franglible ammunition. Apparently they will be easily available on the market (at least here in europe) pretty soon. I wonder about the price though.
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Hirtenberger frangible stuff. I remember seeing that stuff at Knob Creek 40 for a 200 round battlepack a few years ago. Back in April it was about 8 dollars a box of 20 if you could find any.
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Ammoman has:
"223 FRANGIBLE U.S.G.I. 50 GRAIN BULLET REDUCED RICOCHET LOW PENETRATION UNITED STATES GOVT. ISSUE. IN SEALED G.I. AMMO CANS GREAT FOR INDOOR RANGES." ...for sale on his website. I'm thinking about buying some since I'm an apartment dweller. |
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You are right sabots are usally plastic, we use a round that looks just like this, and it is as i described...solid sabot, and faster than hell...makes nice holes in most things that dont. this round looks alot like the simmunition limited distance rounds they are saleing to the military. out! |
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Link above
BTW- IF you hit the 'computer controlling the valve at the nucular plant', the valve will fail-safe. That's how we dsign and operate them. And yes, I am a rocket scientist. |
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I have a few boxes of that stuff around, I will have to dig it up. I belive it's made by Hirtenberger or something, anyways I will post some pics when I get around to it tomarrow.
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HP is Hirtenberger Patronen, the Austrian government ammunition maker.
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Believe it or not I was at a gun show today and an ammo dealer had a case of this stuff, 10 200 rd. battle packs. I had read this thread earlier in the week so I knew what I was looking at. A friend bought one pack and I bought the rest he.
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Dobk..ya did good, and im sure he didint know....so much the better for you though
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AR LUX,
Where do you purchase your ammo? I know Lorang and Freylinger, the last one is cheaper unfortunately it doesn't have a website. if you happen to see frangible 5.56mm ammo at their store, please let me know. Thanks. |
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