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Posted: 9/15/2004 9:11:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2004 9:25:41 AM EST by p99guy]
Ok , it time to play...What's that 5.56 round! the clue....Nucular power plant.


the mystery round next to a SS109
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 9:12:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2004 9:13:23 AM EST by Capro]
A depleted Uranium round? :)

edited for spelling
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 9:17:51 AM EST
I don't know but if it is a depleted uranium round, where can I get some?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 9:20:15 AM EST
A frangible round used by D.O.E.?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 9:25:29 AM EST
Teflon Coated, Cop Killer bullets!
What do I win?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 9:34:17 AM EST
AG, NTSA, Nucular?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 9:45:01 AM EST
Tagged.

Link Posted: 9/15/2004 9:46:29 AM EST
Frangible Dept of Energy round. Don't want to poke holes in the hot pipes!
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 10:12:21 AM EST
Is it a round to defeat body armor? I saw an article a few years back , it showed a 9mm round that appeares to be similar in design. In the pictures of the 9mm I saw, the bullet was completley (bored?) through, and the plug was used like a sabot. I believe they were called Cyclone rounds, and only availible to Government orginizations (FBI, ATF, DOE ,Military ect.). The stated purpose of the rounds in the article was to defeat body armour, as it is now far more likely that terroist and other no goodnicks are likely to be using body armor. Just a guess.
Steve.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 10:17:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By scrum:
Frangible Dept of Energy round. Don't want to poke holes in the hot pipes!



+1 would be my guess
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 10:44:01 AM EST
Heh, "nucular"
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 10:54:50 AM EST
Looks like some of the frangibles i have (compressed copper) but mine aren't black? does that make them more evEEEIL?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 11:12:52 AM EST
This would be a S.L.A.P round....Sabotted Light Armor Piercing.....sorry for the spelling.
Green
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 11:16:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By GREENMACHINE1:
This would be a S.L.A.P round....Sabotted Light Armor Piercing.....sorry for the spelling.
Green



Sabots would be a segmented metal or plastic. This round has a full diameter copper jacket. The smallest SLAP I know of is the .308 SLAP with a .223 bullet.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 11:25:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2004 11:35:27 AM EST by p99guy]
Here is a big clue...the headstamp .Gosh , even the primer has stamped markings..........(and the projectiles have numbers on the tip)



Link Posted: 9/15/2004 11:36:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 11:43:38 AM EST
Ain't austrian ammo headstamped like that?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 11:51:57 AM EST
Low penetration round maybe?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 12:04:42 PM EST
I hate these guessing games!
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 12:04:50 PM EST
1.yes, its Austrian
2.made for gunfighting on offshore oil rigs and Nuke facilities
3.will function in full auto weapons
4.will reliably kill out to 30 meters......WILL NOT go through metal pipes/reasonably thick tempered glass, and sheet metal so as to not blow everyone to kingdom come.
5.contains no lead

Heck this stuff would be great if you used your M4 as an apartment gun :) Thanks everyone for replies in this quiz!
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 12:09:39 PM EST
And just where can I.... uh.... I mean SOMEONE obtain this ammo?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 12:13:14 PM EST
That's pretty cool.

Is this stuff legal for civies?

Does it have a lower noise signature?

Wonder How well it would work on small pest control around my house?
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 12:34:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2004 12:40:23 PM EST by p99guy]
Civy legal to be sure...the problem is finding the stuff ,as it was rare here to start with.....I only have one 20rd box that I have had almost 8 yrs. its called simply"HP short range/ lead free"
we got it about the time hirtenberger "FL" 9mm Austrian police ammo and GECO "BAT" 9mm from germany was still obtainable. its still as loud as a regular ball round...but decelerates and falls to the ground by 200 meters if fired level, and yes it would work on all kinds of pest problems without going through your whole house.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 12:39:27 PM EST
It's one of those new Medium Point Sharpie 5.56 Permanent Markers. I seen those at Staples before. They can really do some damage on your passed out drunk friend's face.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 12:44:26 PM EST
lol :) well ...it would make you "king of the mountain" at an airsoft game too OOOOOWWWWWTHATwasMYliver!!!!!!!!!(im going to hell..that was sick)
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 12:45:47 PM EST
What's the bullet, er projectile- weigh

Sly
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 12:48:26 PM EST
If I remember correctly, its 21grains at 3900 fps at muzzle
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 8:11:03 PM EST
Anyone know if there's a civvie-equivalent to this stuff? Seems like it'd be a valuable asset for apartment dwellers and such.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 8:38:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Not_A_Llama:
Anyone know if there's a civvie-equivalent to this stuff? Seems like it'd be a valuable asset for apartment dwellers and such.




There's a similar US GI "short range training" (SRTA) round; but it lacks the metal bullet jacket, and it won't cycle an M16 unless you use the special SRTA bolt. I've seen the rounds at gunshows a couple of times, but not in shootable quantities or at shootable prices. The 7.62mm NATO and .50 BMG versions are a bit easier to find, but aren't exactly common. I shot a lot of the 7.62mm NATO SRTA in my basement and backyard, using an HK91 with the bolt locking rollers removed. Making a blowback bolt for an AR would not be that easy (though I supose you could use a 9mm bolt?), and I've never seen the SRTA bolts ("M2 bolt"?) for sale.

Several of the former Warsaw Pact countries produced training rounds using a core-less FMJ bullet. The East German 7.62mmx39 stuff showed up on the surplus market a few years ago, and Romanian 7.62x54R is available at present.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 9:42:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 10:01:17 PM EST
Theoretically, if you were protecting a nuclear power plant you would be shooting away from the sensitive material (yes I understand plants are complex) while the bad guys would be shooting at you (and the sensitive nuclier thingies you're protecting) with real bullets.
And with all the AK47's flooding our streets now, they will probably be shooting back with big-fat-hole-making 7.62x39 rounds.

It just seems kind of silly.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 10:24:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2004 10:27:25 PM EST by p99guy]
it has lousey ballistics on purpose...and it wasnt ment for the guards outside on the perimeter of the plant or plant guards in general.........its a GSG9/SAS dynamic entry type round......you could shoot the heck out of a BG with a GG right behind and not worry about a through and though gunshot wound that would hit the GG too. It was made for gunfighting "in da house" not outside in the wide open spaces and since no adapter was needed you just carried a magazine or two for if you needed such a thing and otherwise use the regular stuff. it was just one more club in the golf bag...sometimes you need a 9 iron...sometimes a putter
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 10:29:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Capro:
Theoretically, if you were protecting a nuclear power plant you would be shooting away from the sensitive material (yes I understand plants are complex) while the bad guys would be shooting at you (and the sensitive nuclier thingies you're protecting) with real bullets.
And with all the AK47's flooding our streets now, they will probably be shooting back with big-fat-hole-making 7.62x39 rounds.

It just seems kind of silly.



Never worked nuke recovery or anything similar have you?
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 12:23:24 AM EST
Would a very light weight bullet like the 40gr. TNT varmit rounds etc do essentially the same thing but be much cheaper?

S.O.

Link Posted: 9/16/2004 12:36:33 AM EST
I read some articles last month avout franglible ammunition. Apparently they will be easily available on the market (at least here in europe) pretty soon. I wonder about the price though.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 4:49:09 PM EST
Hirtenberger frangible stuff. I remember seeing that stuff at Knob Creek 40 for a 200 round battlepack a few years ago. Back in April it was about 8 dollars a box of 20 if you could find any.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 5:08:24 PM EST
Ammoman has:

"223 FRANGIBLE U.S.G.I.
50 GRAIN BULLET
REDUCED RICOCHET
LOW PENETRATION
UNITED STATES GOVT. ISSUE.
IN SEALED G.I. AMMO CANS
GREAT FOR INDOOR RANGES."

...for sale on his website. I'm thinking about buying some since I'm an apartment dweller.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:52:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By phatmax:

Originally Posted By GREENMACHINE1:
This would be a S.L.A.P round....Sabotted Light Armor Piercing.....sorry for the spelling.
Green



Sabots would be a segmented metal or plastic. This round has a full diameter copper jacket. The smallest SLAP I know of is the .308 SLAP with a .223 bullet.



You are right sabots are usally plastic, we use a round that looks just like this, and it is as i described...solid sabot, and faster than hell...makes nice holes in most things that dont.
this round looks alot like the simmunition limited distance rounds they are saleing to the military.
out!
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:08:07 AM EST
It AINT no SLAP round! It's funny they mention the M60 having barrel failures because when my dad worked at Firepower Div at Quantico he had a M2 barrel that was cut in half length wise when a .50s SLAP sabot broke in the barrel sending the round bouncing down the barrel ruining it. It is a very impressive round in .30 and .50 cal. Coldblue can elaborate more as he was my dads boss there.






M903 Caliber .50 Saboted Light Armor Penetrator (SLAP)
M962 Saboted Light Armor Penetrator Tracer (SLAPT)

MISSION: To maximize the effectiveness of the M2 machine gun in engagement and defeat of lightly armored targets. The M903 SLAP has demonstrated capability to provide greatly increased penetration (2 to 3 times the armor thickness at any given range) over that of ammunition currently fielded. The M962 SLAPT assures the precision of delivery necessary to take full advantage of this capability.


Velocity: 3985 feet per second
Maximum effective range: 4921.5 feet (1500 meters) against 3/4" High Hard Armor (HHA)
Unit Replacement Cost: $7.50 per round

Features: .50 caliber SLAP ammunition was developed by the Marine Corps during the mid/late 1980s and was approved for service use in 1990 during Operation Desert Storm. It uses a reduced caliber, heavy metal (tungsten) .30 inch diameter penetrator wrapped in a "plastic" sabot or "shoe" of .50 inch diameter.
Since the mass of the saboted penetrator is much lighter in weight than normal ball .50 caliber ammunition, SLAP's velocity can be significantly and safely increased in an unmodified M2 Machine Gun. This produces a very fast round with a very flat trajectory which enhances hit probability. SLAP ammuntion is completely interoperable with M2 machine guns with stellite liner.

Background: During the 1980s, the Marine Corps invested in both .50 caliber and 7.62 x 51 SLAP concepts. The .50 caliber effort was very successful and extends the light armor capability of the M2 Heavy Machine Gun significantly. The 7.62mm effort was not successful in the M60 and caused catastrophic barrel failures due to in-bore break-up of the sabot and the penetrator puncturing the side of the barrel. Also, its increase in penetration was not on the same order of magnitude as the .50 caliber SLAP's.

A fixed price contract for initial production of 3.5 million rounds of 4/1 linked M903/M962 for the U.S. Marine Corps use was awarded 1QFY94. Contractor for this activity is Olin Corporation. Cartridges are being loaded, assembled and packed by the Winchester Division, East Alton, IL. M962 tracer projectiles are charged at Lake City Army Ammunition Plant (LCAAP). Production of 0.6 million rounds for Army use began 2QFY96.

Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:20:10 AM EST
http://www.pmcgreen.com/
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:24:16 AM EST
Link above

BTW-
IF you hit the 'computer controlling the valve at the nucular plant', the valve will fail-safe. That's how we dsign and operate them.


And yes, I am a rocket scientist.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:54:18 AM EST
I have a few boxes of that stuff around, I will have to dig it up. I belive it's made by Hirtenberger or something, anyways I will post some pics when I get around to it tomarrow.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:45:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 10:45:47 AM EST by Warrior-Poet]
HP is Hirtenberger Patronen, the Austrian government ammunition maker.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 5:37:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 5:40:32 PM EST by dobk]
Believe it or not I was at a gun show today and an ammo dealer had a case of this stuff, 10 200 rd. battle packs. I had read this thread earlier in the week so I knew what I was looking at. A friend bought one pack and I bought the rest he.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:19:17 PM EST
Dobk..ya did good, and im sure he didint know....so much the better for you though
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:07:04 AM EST
AR LUX,

Where do you purchase your ammo?
I know Lorang and Freylinger, the last one is cheaper unfortunately it doesn't have a website.
if you happen to see frangible 5.56mm ammo at their store, please let me know.

Thanks.
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