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Posted: 6/17/2020 12:02:24 AM EDT
[#1]
Have any pics of the gun? Are there any markings on the barrel?
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Posted: 6/17/2020 12:07:54 AM EDT
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No pics yet. Marking on the barrel is: IWI 5.56 NATO 1:8 CrMoV
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Posted: 6/17/2020 12:12:16 AM EDT
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Do let us know how it performs. I’m a big fan of IWI for the Tavor SAR and have had my eye on the Zion since I first saw it online. And if it’s not out of fashion to ask, what did you pay vs. the $899.99 MSRP? Knowing the quality of their products that I have experience with, that is a crazy-competitive sticker price to begin with.
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Posted: 6/17/2020 12:38:37 AM EDT
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What a coincidence, just picked mine up this afternoon. This carbine looks fantastic. Going to be a bitch to find a decent optic if for it though. I don’t think LaRue even has any flip up BUIS in stock. As to the above question, I paid $735.00 shipped to Oregon. Purchased from Proven Outfitters and IWI has an LE program on pricing. PSA had some in stock up until this week. Just ordered a LaRue MBT for her.
ETA: The barrel is a socom profile, mid-length gas system and I believe it is Nitride finished.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 12:39:12 AM EDT
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I got it for $850 plus tax. Last one on the shelf. LGS said they fly off the shelves.
I honestly can't believe how good the stock trigger is. I'm actually currently taking the ALG ACT trigger back OUT of the rifle and putting the stock one back in. It's no Geissele, but there is ZERO take up, breaks like a glass rod with no mush before the break, and just FEELS great. No idea who they use for these triggers or if they make them themselves. Again, something I'd like to know along with the barrel. |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 12:41:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a coincidence, just picked mine up this afternoon. This carbine looks fantastic. Going to be a bitch to find a decent optic if for it though. I don’t think LaRue even has any flip up BUIS in stock. As to the above question, I paid $735.00 shipped to Oregon. Purchased from Proven Outfitters and IWI has an LE program on pricing. PSA had some in stock up until this week. Hey man. Great price, for sure! How does your trigger feel? I know at least two of these felt identical to my post above. Curious if this is a good trend among their stock triggers. |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 12:51:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey man. Great price, for sure! How does your trigger feel? I know at least two of these felt identical to my post above. Curious if this is a good trend among their stock triggers. The trigger is fine, better than the stock triggers on my Colt’s. But not so good that I won’t drop an MBT into it. The two cannot be compared and for $80 it’s a no-brainer. I’m not familiar with the ALG you mentioned but the stock trigger is fine. I’m just a sucker for having to tinker and replacing the trigger is easy. I wish you luck my friend as we venture into the wasteland in search of optics and buis.  Oh, and congrats on the rifle. These are keepers. ETA: Just pulled the trigger a few more times. Mine has some creep in it for sure. |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 1:10:33 AM EDT
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Agreed. Far better than the Colt's I had, at least.
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Posted: 6/17/2020 1:26:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The trigger is fine, better than the stock triggers on my Colt’s. But not so good that I won’t drop an MBT into it. The two cannot be compared and for $80 it’s a no-brainer. I’m not familiar with the ALG you mentioned but the stock trigger is fine. I’m just a sucker for having to tinker and replacing the trigger is easy. I wish you luck my friend as we venture into the wasteland in search of optics and buis. Oh, and congrats on the rifle. These are keepers. ETA: Just pulled the trigger a few more times. Mine has some creep in it for sure. Great... Thanks... Now I'm pulling the proverbial trigger on that LaRue MBT. How did I miss this trigger before?? Lol. |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 6:18:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: Picked one of these guys up yesterday on a whim. Fit and finish seems to be really good. Just curious if anyone had any inside information as to if IWI made the barrel themselves or contracted it out. IWI is known for their CHF barrels, but I'm assuming this isn't CHF if they ain't advertising it as such. Any other tidbits of information would be appreciated! I doubt they sub out their barrels, IWI is a legitimate international military weapons manufacturer. |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 9:18:47 AM EDT
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From what I know I don't think they've got their US barrel mfg up and running yet, so those barrels are likely sourced.
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Posted: 6/17/2020 9:22:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt they sub out their barrels, IWI is a legitimate international military weapons manufacturer. I contacted IWI and was told their barrels are made in-house, just at a different facility than the facility they use to make the rest of the Zion. He did state that every single part is made in house and not contracted out (other than the obvious). Also stated that the barrels are button rifled. I still bet they have a contractor making the barrels, but that's just my assumption. |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 10:00:58 AM EDT
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There was a thread on one here not to long ago. Do a search you might be able to find it.
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Posted: 6/17/2020 1:17:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2020 1:59:23 PM EDT
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I would be interested in one with a CHF barrel. Love my x95.
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Posted: 6/17/2020 4:36:23 PM EDT
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They can't be good if they are not PSA good
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Posted: 6/17/2020 5:58:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I contacted IWI and was told their barrels are made in-house, just at a different facility than the facility they use to make the rest of the Zion. He did state that every single part is made in house and not contracted out (other than the obvious). Also stated that the barrels are button rifled. I still bet they have a contractor making the barrels, but that's just my assumption. Interesting, either way I have no doubt they are putting out a fine rifle. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 3:19:45 AM EDT
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Another observation that isn't listed in the specs for the rifle: the buffer that it comes with is a H1 buffer. Puffy, too!
Pic of buffer on scale |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 3:24:57 AM EDT
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Just realized that the lower has a built in tension screw to prevent the upper and lower from rattling. Neat.
Pic of screw thing |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 3:31:47 AM EDT
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Last one. Maybe. I noticed the receiver extension has drain holes in the adjustment holes. I like it! Also, I noticed that the front takedown pin almost requires a tool to pop out, while the rear can be done by hand. By design? Something similar with the safety. It's easy to switch to happy mode, but requires almost twice the strength to switch bad to safe.
Extra holes in the tube |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 8:12:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last one. Maybe. I noticed the receiver extension has drain holes in the adjustment holes. I like it! Also, I noticed that the front takedown pin almost requires a tool to pop out, while the rear can be done by hand. By design? Something similar with the safety. It's easy to switch to happy mode, but requires almost twice the strength to switch bad to safe. Extra holes in the tube Probably just need broken in some more. It could also be due to the alignment of the pin hole of the lower and the pin hole going through the upper receivers front lug. How does it feel when the upper isn’t actually installed. When any of my builds have stiff takedown pins, I usually start trying to remedy it by installing a KNS detent. Working it in and out should also help it to loosen up. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 10:04:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably just need broken in some more. It could also be due to the alignment of the pin hole of the lower and the pin hole going through the upper receivers front lug. How does it feel when the upper isn’t actually installed. When any of my builds have stiff takedown pins, I usually start trying to remedy it by installing a KNS detent. Working it in and out should also help it to loosen up. Same with it off as with it on. Its also just as hard popping it back in as it is popping it out, even after oiling as working it for awhile. Could just be a bad detent, of course. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 11:39:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same with it off as with it on. Its also just as hard popping it back in as it is popping it out, even after oiling as working it for awhile. Could just be a bad detent, of course. Yeah, either the detent, the channel, or the detent hole is slightly too shallow and is causing too much spring tension. Easy fix either way. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 1:00:53 PM EDT
[#24]
I want to get one for my Jewish wife
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Posted: 6/19/2020 1:44:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to get one for my Jewish wife Do it! Lol. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 11:00:33 PM EDT
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Wish they would do CHF CL 1:7 twist.
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Posted: 6/21/2020 3:06:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a coincidence, just picked mine up this afternoon. This carbine looks fantastic. Going to be a bitch to find a decent optic if for it though. I don’t think LaRue even has any flip up BUIS in stock. As to the above question, I paid $735.00 shipped to Oregon. Purchased from Proven Outfitters and IWI has an LE program on pricing. PSA had some in stock up until this week. Just ordered a LaRue MBT for her. ETA: The barrel is a socom profile, mid-length gas system and I believe it is Nitride finished. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/121283/9A9BAE8B-9CBD-42E8-A7A2-50208CBD1C55_jpe-1464988.JPG I just picked 1 up a few days ago, but you got an awesome price! I paid $828 shipped on GunBroker ,best I could find. |
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Posted: 7/1/2020 1:28:42 AM EDT
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Have you guys had a chance to go out and shoot yet? How does it perform?
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Posted: 7/1/2020 10:46:55 PM EDT
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Unfortunately I haven't gotten out to shoot it yet :(
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Posted: 7/2/2020 3:48:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you guys had a chance to go out and shoot yet? How does it perform? Not yet. I have some iron BUIS arriving tomorrow from LaRue and a cheap red dot from PSA to fill the void until I can get a better quality optic. Provided everything is delivered tomorrow as scheduled I should be able to get out sometime between Saturday and Monday to shoot. I’ll update. I was able to install the LaRue MBT as it shipped right away. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 8:15:22 AM EDT
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Good, I ordered 2 from Proven Outfitters, but won't get to pick them up for a few more months. Been waiting to see some accuracy tests.
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Posted: 7/9/2020 3:12:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not yet. I have some iron BUIS arriving tomorrow from LaRue and a cheap red dot from PSA to fill the void until I can get a better quality optic. Provided everything is delivered tomorrow as scheduled I should be able to get out sometime between Saturday and Monday to shoot. I’ll update. I was able to install the LaRue MBT as it shipped right away. I was actually planning on ordering the MBT trigger. Not sure if I should get the double or single stage. What are your thoughts on that? |
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Posted: 7/10/2020 3:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was actually planning on ordering the MBT trigger. Not sure if I should get the double or single stage. What are your thoughts on that? I have no experience with the single stage trigger. I have both the straight bow and curved trigger in the MBT line-up and I am very happy with them. I have one Giesele (can’t recall the model) for a large pin Colt and I cannot distinguish a true difference but I’m not a high volume shooter who might notice these things. The MBT is an upgrade from the stock trigger for sure and for the price you can’t go wrong. While I’m at it, I was able to get out on Sunday and put 100 rounds through the rifle. Sighted in a set of flip up irons (still searching for an optic). 80 rounds of American Eagle .223 and 20 rounds of Russian steel case, lacquer finished. The rifle shot fine, no concerns. For comparison, my other rifles are Colt 6920’s and next outing I will take a Colt to shoot back to back to see experience the mid-length recoil difference. This pic is sighting in the BUIS at 50yards from a rest.  Attached FileThis is standing at 50 yards. Be kind, my eyes are 53 years old.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/19/2020 9:01:00 PM EDT
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Took her out again this afternoon and sighted in a cheap Sig optic. The pic below is five rounds of Red Army Standard, steel case .223 from a bipod at 50 yards.
 Attached FileThis is a mix of RAS and another Russian brand of steel case with lacquer coat fired at 50 yards standing.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 1:27:01 PM EDT
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I’m taking an Intermediate Carbine course this Sunday, I’ll update with how the carbine performed.
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Posted: 7/25/2020 12:43:13 PM EDT
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Tagged. I already have too many rifles, but I like IWI products in general
I hope they expand the line and offer different barrel profiles and lengths in the future. Hopefully the new tooling leads them to introduce the piston driven Arad stateside 
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:10:35 PM EDT
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AAR. Intermediate Carbine course today and I’m wiped out. Upper 90’s which is rare here in Oregon. 435 rounds fired. Red Army Standard steel case .223 (white box). I had one failure to extract at around 300 (which was approximately round. 500 through the rifle). No other issues, the carbine shot great and it was a joy to shoot. Going to give her a thorough cleaning this week and then I have another 2,000 rounds of steel case (1,000 lacquer) to burn through. It was very dry and the carbine was exposed to a good amount of dirt and dust. Very happy with this rifle so far.
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Posted: 8/14/2020 6:48:00 PM EDT
[#38]
Buddy of mine posted his latest acquisition.. a 12.5" Zion! Had no idea IWI even had these planned:
https://iwi.us/product/zion-15-pistol-5-56-nato/ |
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Posted: 8/15/2020 9:34:06 AM EDT
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That 12.5 is cool. IMI coming out of the gate strong!
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Posted: 8/18/2020 3:40:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Buddy of mine posted his latest acquisition.. a 12.5" Zion! Had no idea IWI even had these planned: https://iwi.us/product/zion-15-pistol-5-56-nato/ Range report yet?
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Posted: 8/18/2020 4:59:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wish they would do CHF CL 1:7 twist. Why 1:7? 1:8 should stabilize any production ammo. I doubt anyone is going to use this rifle to load 80-90 grain handloads from a sled. |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 5:07:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Range report yet? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Buddy of mine posted his latest acquisition.. a 12.5" Zion! Had no idea IWI even had these planned: https://iwi.us/product/zion-15-pistol-5-56-nato/ Range report yet? None yet, waiting on sights apparently. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 12:59:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2020 6:52:55 PM EDT
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Are these made in Israel or the USA or other? Chromed barrel?
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Posted: 10/2/2020 11:34:17 PM EDT
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They are made completely in the USA. IWI built a production facility in Pennsylvania, to serve the US market but also to protect against any import restrictions that may come down the road. The barrel is nitride but not chrome lined.
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Posted: 10/3/2020 11:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why 1:7? 1:8 should stabilize any production ammo. I doubt anyone is going to use this rifle to load 80-90 grain handloads from a sled. Why not? 1:8 is oddball. Stick to 1:7. I’m more interested in CHF CL to be honest. I could live with a properly done CHF CL 1:8 barrel. A button rifled nitrided 1:8 barrel? Yuck. |
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