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7/31/2007 10:09:16 AM EDT
[#1]

Originally Posted By joelad:
Here's mine.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/joelad/Izzyclone.jpg



Nice dude.
Its just not the same
8/3/2007 7:18:37 PM EDT
[#2]
Was wondering, is there any problem when building an IDF clone with an M-4 profile barrel with feed ramps and a A-1 upper receiver. Is this a problem since the A-1 receiver does not have them?


                                                                        Thanks for the help!!
8/3/2007 7:22:45 PM EDT
[#3]

Originally Posted By Force-Recon:
Was wondering, is there any problem when building an IDF clone with an M-4 profile barrel with feed ramps and a A-1 upper receiver. Is this a problem since the A-1 receiver does not have them?


                                                                        Thanks for the help!!



barrel extension feed ramps + receiver without = OK

standard extension + receiver with ramps = problems
Only accurate rifles are interesting.
8/3/2007 7:42:14 PM EDT
[#4]

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:

Originally Posted By Force-Recon:
Was wondering, is there any problem when building an IDF clone with an M-4 profile barrel with feed ramps and a A-1 upper receiver. Is this a problem since the A-1 receiver does not have them?


                                                                        Thanks for the help!!



barrel extension feed ramps + receiver without = OK

standard extension + receiver with ramps = problems



Thanks!! that is what I needed to know.
8/3/2007 9:45:47 PM EDT
[#5]

Originally Posted By Force-Recon:
Was wondering, is there any problem when building an IDF clone with an M-4 profile barrel with feed ramps and a A-1 upper receiver. Is this a problem since the A-1 receiver does not have them?


                                                                        Thanks for the help!!



ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=145&t=152314&page=2


Might not be a problem soon!!!!!    
كاف

If George Bush signs an Assault Weapons Ban, I will never vote for a Republican again.
8/7/2007 5:38:18 PM EDT
[#6]
gratuitous bump.
8/10/2007 12:58:45 AM EDT
[#7]
No pics yet.. finished it yesterday, function fired it today...

DPMS lower receiver
Colt A1 upper w/ teardrop fwd assist
Flat handguard ring
Standard CAR handguards
Colt A1 pistolgrip
4 position fiberite CAR buttstock
14.7" CMMG M4 bbl. w/ permanent A2 flashider
Elastic bands and sling on order from Zahal.......
8/12/2007 7:38:21 PM EDT
[#8]
What do the elastic bands on the handguards and stock do?
8/12/2007 8:30:43 PM EDT
[#9]

Originally Posted By TENN:
What do the elastic bands on the handguards and stock do?


Stop jihad.
Only accurate rifles are interesting.
8/12/2007 9:29:01 PM EDT
[#10]

Originally Posted By TENN:
What do the elastic bands on the handguards and stock do?


They provide grip when it's hot and you're sweaty. On the stock it makes sure that the stock doesn't change position. In my pic, it isn't necessary, but it adds to the authenticity feel.
"Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum." - Gregory "Pappy" Boyington
8/13/2007 4:06:04 AM EDT
[#11]

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:

Originally Posted By TENN:
What do the elastic bands on the handguards and stock do?


Stop jihad.


Worf: No! Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects. (dreamily) And claw at you.
8/13/2007 9:29:54 AM EDT
[#12]




8/13/2007 9:42:18 AM EDT
[#13]

Originally Posted By Deflator_of_dreams:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/blah_blank/IMG_0494.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/blah_blank/IMG_0499.jpg



Nice photography!!!

But that one under the falling water makes the old soldier in me cringe. Deliberately soaking the rifle. But I'll let it slide for arts sake.
8/13/2007 9:51:52 AM EDT
[#14]
Reminds me of the Lady of the Lake giving up Excalibur.
Only accurate rifles are interesting.
8/13/2007 3:21:11 PM EDT
[#15]

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
Reminds me of the Lady of the Lake giving up Excalibur.


DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

ARTHUR: Be quiet!

DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

ARTHUR: Shut up!

DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an emperor just because some moistened bink had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!

ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!

DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.  
Worf: No! Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects. (dreamily) And claw at you.
8/13/2007 3:37:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot][Edited] [#16]

Originally Posted By Spartan24:

Originally Posted By TENN:
What do the elastic bands on the handguards and stock do?


They provide grip when it's hot and you're sweaty. On the stock it makes sure that the stock doesn't change position. In my pic, it isn't necessary, but it adds to the authenticity feel.




And in some cases they are used as unit identifiers. For instance, some dignitary protection units will mark their weapons with colored tape in a bright and distinctive color.












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8/13/2007 4:13:12 PM EDT
[#17]
8/13/2007 4:39:26 PM EDT
[#18]
Is that a Rock River, on a rock, in a river?  LOL
8/13/2007 4:43:55 PM EDT
[#19]

Originally Posted By Squ1ggy:
Is that a Rock River, on a rock, in a river?  LOL


Worf: No! Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects. (dreamily) And claw at you.
8/13/2007 8:28:36 PM EDT
[#20]
"Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum." - Gregory "Pappy" Boyington
8/13/2007 8:36:26 PM EDT
[#21]

Originally Posted By Spartan24:
tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:uLIFtudlHBdFdM:http://z.about.com/d/landscaping/1/0/z/4/rock_gardens_8.jpg tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:9a2NDqpbqYh4cM:http://www.truckee.dri.edu/river2.jpgtbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:15UnZjQodkmxkM:http://www.jpallas.com/hh/armsrace/arms2.jpg


Oooh Oooh,  Rock River Arms, right?  
Worf: No! Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects. (dreamily) And claw at you.
8/13/2007 8:39:31 PM EDT
[#22]

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By Spartan24:
Originally Posted By TENN:
What do the elastic bands on the handguards and stock do?


They provide grip when it's hot and you're sweaty. On the stock it makes sure that the stock doesn't change position. In my pic, it isn't necessary, but it adds to the authenticity feel.




And in some cases they are used as unit identifiers. For instance, some dignitary protection units will mark their weapons with colored tape in a bright and distinctive color.


coloradoshooting.org/ipw-web/gallery/albums/bbadmin-Album-1/commando_2.jpg



those guys look like they just saw an ar15 taking a shower.
8/13/2007 8:48:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Bottom carbine....CMMG 14.5" w/Perma phantom upper on a Stag lower

"Without a sign, his sword the brave man draws, and asks no omen, but his country's cause."......Homer

"Every man is a damn fool for at least five minutes every day; wisdom consists in not exceeding the limit.".....Elbert Hubbard
8/14/2007 10:16:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: firedog55][Edited] [#24]
Late version IDF M4 clone

SDI extended FH
Bushmaster 14.5" M4 profile barrel/ handguards
CMT upper receiver
Bushmaster A2 carry handle
BCM bolt carrier assm. complete
DPMS lower receiver and LPK
BCM Milspec. RET and M4 stock
FAB pistol grip, handguard rail, elastic handguard bands, and sling from Zahal.org









Overall it handles nice, light and handy.  The pistol grip looks funky but fits well in my hand.  The sling is comfortable and carries the carbine up front.  It's easy to raise the weapon from carry to a shooting position by squeezing the release buckle on the front of the sling,  that allows the sling to lengthen and easily shoulder the weapon.  I ordered a FAB front pistol grip but it is too big for my hand so I left it off.  Fab also makes a collapsible buttstock (looks exactly like the Sig 556 stock) but I passed on that.
Zahal.org's website was easy to use and I had my parts in 3 weeks from Israel.  Check out their website, they have some neat stuff.
8/15/2007 6:41:04 AM EDT
[#25]

Originally Posted By BigDaddy0004:

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
Reminds me of the Lady of the Lake giving up Excalibur.


ARTHUR : "The Lady of the Lake-- her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held
aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine
providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.  THAT is why I am your
king!"



DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

ARTHUR: Be quiet!

DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

ARTHUR: Shut up!

DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an emperor just because some moistened B I N T had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!

Bint. Derogatory, except in the midlands, English slang for girl. Derived from Arabic for unmarried daughter- ibn.

ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!

DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.  



8/15/2007 9:46:53 AM EDT
[#26]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/AR15Fan/Guns/100_2512.jpg?t=1187035962


Freaking great build.....bet it's nice and light.............I must duplicate
8/15/2007 9:50:23 AM EDT
[#27]

Originally Posted By Pointman_M4A1:
are the real IDF guns XM177s or CAR15s that have been rebarreled? since I noticed the A1 uppers?

BTW- all of those are nice guns.

ALot of the carbines the IDF uses are Colt 653s and 727s.
MUTHAF*CKIN BEES ON A MUTHAF*CKIN' SWINGSET

Право на хранение и ношение оружи
8/15/2007 12:48:59 PM EDT
[#28]

Originally Posted By Pat-Riot:

Originally Posted By BigDaddy0004:

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
Reminds me of the Lady of the Lake giving up Excalibur.


ARTHUR : "The Lady of the Lake-- her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held
aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine
providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.  THAT is why I am your
king!"



DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

ARTHUR: Be quiet!

DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

ARTHUR: Shut up!

DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an emperor just because some moistened B I N T had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!

Bint. Derogatory, except in the midlands, English slang for girl. Derived from Arabic for unmarried daughter- ibn.

ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!

DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.  





My bad.  That's what I get for cutting and pasting.  
Worf: No! Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects. (dreamily) And claw at you.
8/30/2007 9:24:59 PM EDT
[#29]
8/31/2007 8:09:04 AM EDT
[#30]
8/31/2007 11:26:52 AM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/AR15Fan/Guns/100_2512.jpg?t=1187035962



Freaking great build.....bet it's nice and light.............I must duplicate

Exactly what I am working on. BEAUTIFUL! Got the upper for 100 off GB. Still shopping the barrel. Looking at Bushmaster and cut to 14.7.  
8/31/2007 12:13:55 PM EDT
[#32]

Originally Posted By imdBman:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:




Freaking great build.....bet it's nice and light.............I must duplicate

Exactly what I am working on. BEAUTIFUL! Got the upper for 100 off GB. Still shopping the barrel. Looking at Bushmaster and cut to 14.7.  

Posted By Mr_Happyface:
I'd say it'd be pretty damn irresponsible for you gys to bury yourselves with weapons.

The LAST thing we need is armed zombies. THat would take the fun out of the whole thing.
8/31/2007 4:11:26 PM EDT
[#33]




BM SL 16 with 5C1
RRA BCG
Colt contract upper
Colt butt
Ameetec lower
Colt 9MM buffer

I modified the norrels early colt grey color with grease while still hot.
8/31/2007 5:19:19 PM EDT
[#34]
I'am not sure what it takes to make a IDF Clone/KISS but here is my new carbine. Is it close?


9/4/2007 11:16:48 PM EDT
[#35]
I dont usually hand out many compliments on other people's weapons, but I must say that these rifles, almost to that last, are incredible. Good work, all.

I just realized that I have some of the parts I need to start my own. I would like to have the flat-top option instead of the fixed carry handle, though.
9/16/2007 3:29:49 PM EDT
[#36]
bump
10/7/2007 10:55:57 AM EDT
[#37]
My KISS carbine:




This one is currently disassembled to be refinished back to black.
10/10/2007 1:05:30 AM EDT
[#38]
10/10/2007 1:41:36 AM EDT
[#39]
height=8
Originally Posted By SSN_Doc:
My KISS carbine:


i24.tinypic.com/35i6e0o.jpg

This one is currently disassembled to be refinished back to black.


Pretty Close to a C8. Nice!
10/10/2007 1:32:52 PM EDT
[#40]
“If you fail in your effort to stay alive, all your other endeavors are pretty much immaterial, aren’t they?” – Kit Cessna

I have no time for gun shop lore, myths & legends, and just plain nonsense.
10/10/2007 3:14:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Why in the name of all that is holy can we not get this tacked, stickied, whatebver to the top of the page?
10/10/2007 4:57:56 PM EDT
[#42]
Almost done with my KISS carbine inspired by this thread.  a +1 to getting this thing stickied.

I have a question about the IDF sling - how are you all attaching it.  Are you tying it in a loop where the cord attaches to the sling or what?  I got the sling and grip thing from Zahal and I'll be damned if I'm not getting outsmarted by two pieces of string!  
10/10/2007 9:41:17 PM EDT
[#43]

Originally Posted By Dread:
Almost done with my KISS carbine inspired by this thread.  a +1 to getting this thing stickied.

I have a question about the IDF sling - how are you all attaching it.  Are you tying it in a loop where the cord attaches to the sling or what?  I got the sling and grip thing from Zahal and I'll be damned if I'm not getting outsmarted by two pieces of string!  


+2 to the sticky!

I believe it was DSG Arms that used to have an explanation of how to do it on theu website. I can't find it now...
"Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum." - Gregory "Pappy" Boyington

I'm with Fred.
10/11/2007 9:01:05 PM EDT
[#44]
Well, I figured out how to outsmart the two pieces of string..... at least temporarily.  

Here is my build inspired by this thread.  Essential Arms Lower, RRA LPK (Legal Transfers), Stag collapsible stock (Rainier), a Bushy superlight weight barreled A2 upper (PKFirearms - zoiks, seriously fast shipping with them), Bravo Company BCG.  IDF sling and grip thing from Zahal.



I have about 150 rounds through it, no target, but it is minute of clay pigeon accurate. It is a nice shooter.

This was a very bad thread.  I finished my first AR and saw this thread and immediately built this on.  2 ARs, 1 month.

Very bad.

Please sticky.  
10/21/2007 12:38:54 PM EDT
[#45]
Bumping 'cause I like 'em.
10/21/2007 2:06:43 PM EDT
[#46]

Originally Posted By Bullet175:

I modified the norrels early colt grey color with grease while still hot.

Tell me more about this "modification" it looks great!
10/21/2007 2:29:08 PM EDT
[#47]

This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is MINE
My rifle is my best friend. It is my life.
10/21/2007 2:37:34 PM EDT
[#48]
Tack granted. But let's keep it on topic.
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10/21/2007 5:48:17 PM EDT
[#49]
really nice and inspiring...big difference from seeing everything hanging off of it!!!

Now I have to look for an A1 upper!
10/23/2007 12:23:47 AM EDT
[#50]
Here are my tips.  I've seen a lot of IDF rifles in person.  

1.  A-1 Rifles,  they use tons of these.
2.  Anything beat up is IDF
3.  Add a lot of surgical tape to your rifle
4.  I didn't see any orilite magazines
4.  Add the safe magazine insert which holds one under.
5.  Use the old style sling without the buckle thingy
6.  Not very many carbines.  95% are full size.
7.  M16-SAW cut the stock and barrel to make a carbine.
8.  No electronics.  No accessories.
9.  No flattops.
10.  Make sure the blueing is heavily worn off.
11.  Everything should be stock.  They do not use any special handles.  

I can answer any other questions you have.

Now I want to see an IDF M1-carbine.  They still use these, and you see them all over Israel.

IDF M1-Carbines
1.  Use 15 round USGI mags
2.  Have the buttstock attachment, for the mags
3.  Use IDF sling
4.  Beat the hell out of your rifle and carry it with you all the time everyday.

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