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3/9/2007 11:30:52 PM EDT
[#1]


My attempt at a KISS......since sold, but I find myself wanting to build another.
3/9/2007 11:49:20 PM EDT
[#2]
mine
3/10/2007 12:51:00 AM EDT
[#3]

Originally Posted By NVDoyle:

Originally Posted By Spartan24:

Originally Posted By NVDoyle:
Y'know, as much as I like the look of all the 'gear', these really speak to me.

I do have a few questions, though:

1) What are those forearms and stock 'wraps'?

2) What would be considered 'IDF touches'?


1) They are elastic bands that I have been told are used to help with grip and stability. Stability meaning making sure the handguards don't come of and like on my stock, to make sure it has tension. They do provide excellent grip.

2) IDF touches to me is adding of the A1 pistol grip and the A1 flash hider. An M4 barrel on an A1 upper is also very IDF-ish. mvician has the mag holder. I need that yet. Also adding the flat delta ring is a must for any true IDF clone. Don't forget the IDF sling and paracord to attach it.

I went through as many pics as I could find and I put together what I believe is a  very accurate clone.


Thanks for the info. Where can I get those bands, or are they home-made?


You can cut a bicycle innertube into little rubber donuts and make them.
3/10/2007 1:00:48 AM EDT
[#4]
height=8
Originally Posted By COLT6721A3:
Looks good ... where did you get that FH to get the 16.1" length?


Sabre Defence also makes one that is slightly longer just for that purpose... here you go...



http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/StraitR/exta2_LRG.jpg
3/10/2007 2:40:19 AM EDT
[#5]
From Kansas? From Nebraska??? Check out your hometown forums!!! http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=8&f=44

Kansas Defensive Shooters Club http://kdsc.us/

3/10/2007 4:01:34 AM EDT
[#6]

Originally Posted By M4MikelA3:


You can cut a bicycle innertube into little rubber donuts and make them.


Actually if you take a closer look you will notice they are cloth with elastic in them. Like a really coarse cross between spandex and cordura.
"Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum." - Gregory "Pappy" Boyington

كافر
3/10/2007 4:28:20 AM EDT
[#7]

Originally Posted By Spartan24:

Originally Posted By M4MikelA3:


You can cut a bicycle innertube into little rubber donuts and make them.


Actually if you take a closer look you will notice they are cloth with elastic in them. Like a really coarse cross between spandex and cordura.


Oh, I see. On the same page there was a "ranger band" type thing on another rifle's fore end and I was confused. The innertube suggestion was for that.

The elastic cloth ones can be bought(in response to the question if they are homemade or not. Carry on.
3/10/2007 5:11:55 AM EDT
[#8]
Hope i do not sound dumb here but am i seeing a bunch of A1 uppers with A2 style front sight bases?  
3/10/2007 7:18:01 AM EDT
[#9]

Originally Posted By cybershark:
Hope i do not sound dumb here but am i seeing a bunch of A1 uppers with A2 style front sight bases?  


And A1 uppers with case deflectors and M4 barrels.
MarkM's only friend.
3/10/2007 9:09:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JoeBud][Edited] [#10]

Originally Posted By cybershark:
Hope i do not sound dumb here but am i seeing a bunch of A1 uppers with A2 style front sight bases?  


Some of these are being built with vintage A1 receivers and current production barrels. Not really sure what you mean by A2 style sight bases. Later A1 bases look just like current production.
"If its worth shooting, shoot it twice."
3/10/2007 9:11:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JoeBud][Edited] [#11]
opps.
"If its worth shooting, shoot it twice."
3/10/2007 10:05:59 AM EDT
[#12]

Originally Posted By cybershark:
Hope i do not sound dumb here but am i seeing a bunch of A1 uppers with A2 style front sight bases?  


What are you talking about?
Americans buy things they don't need, with money they don't have, using credit cards they will never pay off.
3/10/2007 11:46:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: efpeter][Edited] [#13]

Originally Posted By TurnTwo:

Originally Posted By COLT6721A3:
Looks good ... where did you get that FH to get the 16.1" length?


Sabre Defence also makes one that is slightly longer just for that purpose... here you go...



i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/StraitR/exta2_LRG.jpg


CMMG also makes a barrel that is 14.7 inches, so you can perm attach a standard A2 flash hider.  
To my eye, a barrel that is .2" longer is less noticeable than an elongated flash hider.  Strictly personal preference.
كاف

If George Bush signs an Assault Weapons Ban, I will never vote for a Republican again.
3/10/2007 11:49:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ALPHAGHOST][Edited] [#14]
"I'm not stupid; y'all just retarded."--CJ
"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!"
<img src=/images/smilies/smiley_tomcat.gif border=0 align=middle> EAT THIS! <img src=/images/smilies/anim_pyro.gif border=0 align=middle>
3/10/2007 5:20:43 PM EDT
[#15]
bump
3/11/2007 8:17:46 AM EDT
[#16]
My lightweight Colt mutt build...

M16A1 upper w/BCG, 6520 barrel assy (used the A1 FSP & FH), MT6400C lower receiver with AI pistol grip and Colt M4 Type 1 stock. Had the lower refinished in Duracoat Colt gray.




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http://www.sappersupplies.com
3/11/2007 9:08:45 AM EDT
[#17]
3/11/2007 10:33:24 AM EDT
[#18]
There are more airplanes in the sea then there are submarines in the sky.
3/12/2007 12:46:28 AM EDT
[#19]
Mine looks just like UNKA-BOO's (I have a POF lower).  I have an Isreali sling and the "bands" on order.  Started as a CAR build.  A1 sights are soo practical, can you tell me why we went to the A2 sights ?  Can't wait to shoot this barrel out to upgrade to a CMMG 14.7 M4 and have the complete Isreali/C7/KISS look.

Semper Fi  
3/12/2007 1:08:33 AM EDT
[#20]


3/17/2007 11:29:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jjandmel][Edited] [#21]
Got mine done today. CMMG upper and lower.




Now all I need is an IDF sling.
3/18/2007 2:52:59 AM EDT
[#22]

Originally Posted By jjandmel:
Got mine done today. CMMG upper and lower.


img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/jjandmel/CMMG_IDF_Clone.jpg

Now all I need is an IDF sling.


and an A1 grip
looks good

Mike
This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is MINE
My rifle is my best friend. It is my life.
3/21/2007 8:27:44 AM EDT
[#23]
tag.......I wana build one.
3/22/2007 8:36:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cgv69][Edited] [#24]
Here's mine. It's not actually an IDF clone nor was it inspired by the IDF carbines but it is very similar so I thought you guys might want to check it out...



Disclaimer:
My comments above are worth what you paid for them.
My posts often contain poor grammar and spelling and may be edited.
There is no telling what state of mind I was in when I wrote this or even if I had a state of mind at the
3/22/2007 9:07:35 PM EDT
[#25]

cgv69  very nice
This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is MINE
My rifle is my best friend. It is my life.
3/23/2007 7:13:37 AM EDT
[#26]

Originally Posted By mvician:
cgv69  very nice

Thank you sir!
Disclaimer:
My comments above are worth what you paid for them.
My posts often contain poor grammar and spelling and may be edited.
There is no telling what state of mind I was in when I wrote this or even if I had a state of mind at the
3/28/2007 1:49:24 PM EDT
[#27]
This is as simple as I’ve got...

My little Colt "Commando" SBR, and my GUU-5P clone. The GUU still needs more authentic parts; PG and would like to get a "retro" lower.




3/28/2007 6:21:33 PM EDT
[#28]
As simple as I own.  With a couple modern touches



Bushmaster Lower
CMMG Upper & BCG (14.5" 1:7 Chrome w/ perm attached Phantom)
RRA 2 Stage trigger





3/28/2007 7:17:07 PM EDT
[#29]
4/2/2007 1:44:04 AM EDT
[#30]


Here is my XM-177...uhhh frakenpart blasphemy  

Its actually pretty handy and light!
4/3/2007 3:11:39 PM EDT
[#31]
5/14/2007 10:18:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Desperado][Edited] [#32]
. . . moved to Legal Section . . .
<font color=blue><font size=2>ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE</font id=s2></font id=blue>
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5/14/2007 10:48:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DemonLoneWolf][Edited] [#33]

Originally Posted By ch139:
This is as simple as I’ve got...

My little Colt "Commando" SBR, and my GUU-5P clone. The GUU still needs more authentic parts; PG and would like to get a "retro" lower.

photos.templarfirearms.com/albums/userpics/10001/IMG_2727.JPG

photos.templarfirearms.com/albums/userpics/10001/BMM4GUU5P.JPG


Beautiful.

:: drool ::
5/14/2007 11:49:09 AM EDT
[#34]


Staff Member,akforum.net
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5/14/2007 11:50:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JOHNO][Edited] [#35]
double tap
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6/4/2007 5:27:00 PM EDT
[#36]
bump
7/1/2007 10:11:54 PM EDT
[#37]
BTT I think these are some of the coolest and most practical ARs there are. I think the Model 653/654s are highly underrated. They are light. simple, accurate and compact. In the original barrel length they aren't much longer than an XM177 but have better ballistics, although an M4 barrel doesn't weigh that much more and probably is more accurate once it heats up. Nice rifles guys!
7/1/2007 11:40:24 PM EDT
[#38]
Not IDF clones, but two KISS carbines...





7/2/2007 3:19:35 AM EDT
[#39]

Originally Posted By uxb:
Not IDF clones, but two KISS carbines...

www.fototime.com/D8D455823D72CC4/standard.jpg

www.fototime.com/12B81FB5D60CC29/standard.jpg


Very cool... as always


Originally Posted By DemonLoneWolf:

Originally Posted By ch139:
This is as simple as I’ve got...

My little Colt "Commando" SBR, and my GUU-5P clone. The GUU still needs more authentic parts; PG and would like to get a "retro" lower.

photos.templarfirearms.com/albums/userpics/10001/IMG_2727.JPG

photos.templarfirearms.com/albums/userpics/10001/BMM4GUU5P.JPG


Beautiful.

:: drool ::

Thanks. Was really hoping to find an old PWA A1 style lower for the GUU project, but it’s looking like it isn’t going to happen. Thinking now I’ll use the NDS XM16E1 lower when they get the anodized ones out.
7/2/2007 8:52:58 PM EDT
[#40]
My IDF clone is getting close. I ordered the elastic bands from Zahal. If you're keeping score I ordered them on June 11th and they showed up today, July 2nd. So don't be in a hurry with Zahal....

We need more pics!
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7/2/2007 9:53:39 PM EDT
[#41]
Bump to add a pic.





Its "almost" done. I'm still debating swapping the pencil barrel for an M4 profile. If I didn't like the weight of this one so much it'd be a no brainer. But the light is nice...
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7/2/2007 11:20:25 PM EDT
[#42]
I know there are a few things that aren't quite right, but here is my 653 KISS clone...
She's short, sweet, and to the point.  

7/3/2007 7:09:01 PM EDT
[#43]

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
My IDF clone is getting close. I ordered the elastic bands from Zahal. If you're keeping score I ordered them on June 11th and they showed up today, July 2nd. So don't be in a hurry with Zahal....

We need more pics!


Well it does come straight from Israel!
"Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum." - Gregory "Pappy" Boyington
7/4/2007 9:47:33 AM EDT
[#44]

Originally Posted By Spartan24:

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
My IDF clone is getting close. I ordered the elastic bands from Zahal. If you're keeping score I ordered them on June 11th and they showed up today, July 2nd. So don't be in a hurry with Zahal....

We need more pics!


Well it does come straight from Israel!




Yea, understood. No real complaints as the service I have gotten from them is top notch.
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7/4/2007 11:10:18 AM EDT
[#45]
In the other IRf thread, anyone know what kind of red dot they have? One I have never seen before. I went to the "store" listed above, but the did not have any red dots listed.Thanks
7/29/2007 3:24:15 PM EDT
[#46]
bump and tag
"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - Theodore Roosevelt


كافر
7/29/2007 5:18:49 PM EDT
[#47]
Nice build Lancelot. I love the balance of the 653 type rifles.

7/29/2007 5:39:59 PM EDT
[#48]

Originally Posted By PirateEC:
img358.imageshack.us/img358/1153/kissm4deckmu9.jpg

Nice rifle Pirate! What flash hider is that?
Shoot to Thrill, Play to Kill
ك&
7/29/2007 8:37:03 PM EDT
[#49]
My new KISS setup. Will be ran with a ceiner kit 90% of its life but it will do a little switch hitting too.
Sabre Defense A1 upper/14.5" with extended A2 FH pin weld. 1/9 twist chrome lined
M4 handguards
LMT Enhanced carrier group with BCM extractor kit
Stag lower
Magpul CTR Mil spec stock kit
Magpul MAID
Ceiner .22 conversion kit
BDM 30rd mag

7/30/2007 7:41:27 PM EDT
[#50]
Here's mine.

T.A.N.S.T.A.A.F.L!

YATYAS

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