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Unka-Boo Joined Apr 2005 Posts 2310 EE 100% (9) OR, USA	Posted: 3/9/2007 11:30:52 PM EDT [#1] My attempt at a KISS......since sold, but I find myself wanting to build another.

adh Joined Mar 2001 Posts 1378 EE 100% (190) TX, USA	Posted: 3/9/2007 11:49:20 PM EDT [#2] mine

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Posted: 3/10/2007 12:51:00 AM EDT

[#3]

Originally Posted By NVDoyle:

Originally Posted By Spartan24:

Originally Posted By NVDoyle:
Y'know, as much as I like the look of all the 'gear', these really speak to me.

I do have a few questions, though:

1) What are those forearms and stock 'wraps'?

2) What would be considered 'IDF touches'?

1) They are elastic bands that I have been told are used to help with grip and stability. Stability meaning making sure the handguards don't come of and like on my stock, to make sure it has tension. They do provide excellent grip.

2) IDF touches to me is adding of the A1 pistol grip and the A1 flash hider. An M4 barrel on an A1 upper is also very IDF-ish. mvician has the mag holder. I need that yet. Also adding the flat delta ring is a must for any true IDF clone. Don't forget the IDF sling and paracord to attach it.

I went through as many pics as I could find and I put together what I believe is a very accurate clone.

Thanks for the info. Where can I get those bands, or are they home-made?

You can cut a bicycle innertube into little rubber donuts and make them.

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Posted: 3/10/2007 1:00:48 AM EDT

[#4]

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Originally Posted By COLT6721A3:
Looks good ... where did you get that FH to get the 16.1" length?

Sabre Defence also makes one that is slightly longer just for that purpose... here you go...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/StraitR/exta2_LRG.jpg

Coopmandu Garandaholic Joined Mar 2002 Posts 1042 EE 100% (99) KS, USA	Posted: 3/10/2007 2:40:19 AM EDT [#5]
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Posted: 3/10/2007 4:01:34 AM EDT

[#6]

Originally Posted By M4MikelA3:

You can cut a bicycle innertube into little rubber donuts and make them.

Actually if you take a closer look you will notice they are cloth with elastic in them. Like a really coarse cross between spandex and cordura.

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M4MikelA3

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Posted: 3/10/2007 4:28:20 AM EDT

[#7]

Originally Posted By Spartan24:

Originally Posted By M4MikelA3:

You can cut a bicycle innertube into little rubber donuts and make them.

Actually if you take a closer look you will notice they are cloth with elastic in them. Like a really coarse cross between spandex and cordura.

Oh, I see. On the same page there was a "ranger band" type thing on another rifle's fore end and I was confused. The innertube suggestion was for that.

The elastic cloth ones can be bought(in response to the question if they are homemade or not. Carry on.

cybershark Joined Feb 2007 Posts 21 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 3/10/2007 5:11:55 AM EDT [#8] Hope i do not sound dumb here but am i seeing a bunch of A1 uppers with A2 style front sight bases?

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Posted: 3/10/2007 7:18:01 AM EDT

[#9]

Originally Posted By cybershark:
Hope i do not sound dumb here but am i seeing a bunch of A1 uppers with A2 style front sight bases?

And A1 uppers with case deflectors and M4 barrels.

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Posted: 3/10/2007 9:09:16 AM EDT

[Last Edit: JoeBud] [#10]

Originally Posted By cybershark:
Hope i do not sound dumb here but am i seeing a bunch of A1 uppers with A2 style front sight bases?

Some of these are being built with vintage A1 receivers and current production barrels. Not really sure what you mean by A2 style sight bases. Later A1 bases look just like current production.

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JoeBud Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 926 EE 100% (346) AR, USA	Posted: 3/10/2007 9:11:00 AM EDT [Last Edit: JoeBud] [#11] opps.
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Posted: 3/10/2007 10:05:59 AM EDT

[#12]

Originally Posted By cybershark:
Hope i do not sound dumb here but am i seeing a bunch of A1 uppers with A2 style front sight bases?

What are you talking about?

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Posted: 3/10/2007 11:46:39 AM EDT

[Last Edit: efpeter] [#13]

Originally Posted By TurnTwo:

Originally Posted By COLT6721A3:
Looks good ... where did you get that FH to get the 16.1" length?

Sabre Defence also makes one that is slightly longer just for that purpose... here you go...

i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/StraitR/exta2_LRG.jpg

CMMG also makes a barrel that is 14.7 inches, so you can perm attach a standard A2 flash hider.
To my eye, a barrel that is .2" longer is less noticeable than an elongated flash hider. Strictly personal preference.

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NFAman Joined Dec 2004 Posts 157 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 3/11/2007 9:08:45 AM EDT [#17]

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USMCM4 Joined Sep 2005 Posts 53 EE 100% (3) ND, USA	Posted: 3/12/2007 12:46:28 AM EDT [#19] Mine looks just like UNKA-BOO's (I have a POF lower). I have an Isreali sling and the "bands" on order. Started as a CAR build. A1 sights are soo practical, can you tell me why we went to the A2 sights ? Can't wait to shoot this barrel out to upgrade to a CMMG 14.7 M4 and have the complete Isreali/C7/KISS look. Semper Fi

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jjandmel Joined Jul 2001 Posts 895 EE 100% (287) USA	Posted: 3/17/2007 11:29:25 PM EDT [Last Edit: jjandmel] [#21] Got mine done today. CMMG upper and lower. Now all I need is an IDF sling.

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Posted: 3/18/2007 2:52:59 AM EDT

[#22]

Originally Posted By jjandmel:
Got mine done today. CMMG upper and lower.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/jjandmel/CMMG_IDF_Clone.jpg

Now all I need is an IDF sling.

and an A1 grip

looks good

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glockfan45 Joined Jan 2007 Posts 11 EE 100% (24) IL, USA	Posted: 3/21/2007 8:27:44 AM EDT [#23] tag.......I wana build one.

cgv69 Member Joined Jul 2004 Posts 3770 EE 100% (25) KY, USA	Posted: 3/22/2007 8:36:37 PM EDT [Last Edit: cgv69] [#24] Here's mine. It's not actually an IDF clone nor was it inspired by the IDF carbines but it is very similar so I thought you guys might want to check it out...
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mvician Work Smarter, Play Harder Joined Jan 2004 Posts 2020 EE 100% (222) IN, USA	Posted: 3/22/2007 9:07:35 PM EDT [#25] cgv69 very nice
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Posted: 3/23/2007 7:13:37 AM EDT

[#26]

Originally Posted By mvician:
cgv69 very nice

Thank you sir!

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ch139 Joined Mar 2001 Posts 2633 EE 100% (45) OR, USA	Posted: 3/28/2007 1:49:24 PM EDT [#27] This is as simple as I’ve got... My little Colt "Commando" SBR, and my GUU-5P clone. The GUU still needs more authentic parts; PG and would like to get a "retro" lower.

JeepDriver Joined Dec 2003 Posts 451 EE 0% (0) MD, USA	Posted: 3/28/2007 6:21:33 PM EDT [#28] As simple as I own. With a couple modern touches Bushmaster Lower CMMG Upper & BCG (14.5" 1:7 Chrome w/ perm attached Phantom) RRA 2 Stage trigger

PirateEC Joined Dec 2004 Posts 338 EE 100% (9) NC, USA	Posted: 3/28/2007 7:17:07 PM EDT [#29]

RoverG79 Joined Aug 2006 Posts 74 EE 100% (49) USA	Posted: 4/2/2007 1:44:04 AM EDT [#30] Here is my XM-177...uhhh frakenpart blasphemy Its actually pretty handy and light!

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Posted: 5/14/2007 10:48:25 AM EDT

[Last Edit: DemonLoneWolf] [#33]

Originally Posted By ch139:
This is as simple as I’ve got...

My little Colt "Commando" SBR, and my GUU-5P clone. The GUU still needs more authentic parts; PG and would like to get a "retro" lower.

photos.templarfirearms.com/albums/userpics/10001/IMG_2727.JPG

photos.templarfirearms.com/albums/userpics/10001/BMM4GUU5P.JPG

Beautiful.

:: drool ::

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stretch415 The Revolution Joined Jan 2005 Posts 3917 EE 100% (273) SD, USA	Posted: 6/4/2007 5:27:00 PM EDT [#36] bump

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Posted: 7/1/2007 10:11:54 PM EDT

[#37]

BTT

I think these are some of the coolest and most practical ARs there are. I think the Model 653/654s are highly underrated. They are light. simple, accurate and compact. In the original barrel length they aren't much longer than an XM177 but have better ballistics, although an M4 barrel doesn't weigh that much more and probably is more accurate once it heats up. Nice rifles guys!

uxb Heart of Darkness Joined Jan 2002 Posts 2907 EE 100% (328) KY, USA	Posted: 7/1/2007 11:40:24 PM EDT [#38] Not IDF clones, but two KISS carbines...

ch139

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Posted: 7/2/2007 3:19:35 AM EDT

[#39]

Originally Posted By uxb:
Not IDF clones, but two KISS carbines...

www.fototime.com/D8D455823D72CC4/standard.jpg

www.fototime.com/12B81FB5D60CC29/standard.jpg

Very cool... as always

Originally Posted By DemonLoneWolf:

Originally Posted By ch139:
This is as simple as I’ve got...

My little Colt "Commando" SBR, and my GUU-5P clone. The GUU still needs more authentic parts; PG and would like to get a "retro" lower.

photos.templarfirearms.com/albums/userpics/10001/IMG_2727.JPG

photos.templarfirearms.com/albums/userpics/10001/BMM4GUU5P.JPG

Beautiful.

:: drool ::

Thanks. Was really hoping to find an old PWA A1 style lower for the GUU project, but it’s looking like it isn’t going to happen. Thinking now I’ll use the NDS XM16E1 lower when they get the anodized ones out.

Lancelot Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts 7535 EE 100% (9) CO, USA	Posted: 7/2/2007 8:52:58 PM EDT [#40] My IDF clone is getting close. I ordered the elastic bands from Zahal. If you're keeping score I ordered them on June 11th and they showed up today, July 2nd. So don't be in a hurry with Zahal.... We need more pics!
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Lancelot Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts 7536 EE 100% (9) CO, USA	Posted: 7/2/2007 9:53:39 PM EDT [#41] Bump to add a pic. Its "almost" done. I'm still debating swapping the pencil barrel for an M4 profile. If I didn't like the weight of this one so much it'd be a no brainer. But the light is nice...
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checkmARk Joined May 2007 Posts 13 EE 0% (0) KY, USA	Posted: 7/2/2007 11:20:25 PM EDT [#42] I know there are a few things that aren't quite right, but here is my 653 KISS clone... She's short, sweet, and to the point.

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Posted: 7/3/2007 7:09:01 PM EDT

[#43]

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
My IDF clone is getting close. I ordered the elastic bands from Zahal. If you're keeping score I ordered them on June 11th and they showed up today, July 2nd. So don't be in a hurry with Zahal....

We need more pics!

Well it does come straight from Israel!

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Posted: 7/4/2007 9:47:33 AM EDT

[#44]

Originally Posted By Spartan24:

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
My IDF clone is getting close. I ordered the elastic bands from Zahal. If you're keeping score I ordered them on June 11th and they showed up today, July 2nd. So don't be in a hurry with Zahal....

We need more pics!

Well it does come straight from Israel!

Yea, understood. No real complaints as the service I have gotten from them is top notch.

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Southernfried Joined May 2004 Posts 1023 EE 100% (10) TN, USA	Posted: 7/4/2007 11:10:18 AM EDT [#45] In the other IRf thread, anyone know what kind of red dot they have? One I have never seen before. I went to the "store" listed above, but the did not have any red dots listed.Thanks

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glockfan45 Joined Jan 2007 Posts 240 EE 100% (24) IL, USA	Posted: 7/29/2007 5:18:49 PM EDT [#47] Nice build Lancelot. I love the balance of the 653 type rifles.

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Posted: 7/29/2007 5:39:59 PM EDT

[#48]

Originally Posted By PirateEC:
img358.imageshack.us/img358/1153/kissm4deckmu9.jpg

Nice rifle Pirate! What flash hider is that?

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stretch415 The Revolution Joined Jan 2005 Posts 4915 EE 100% (273) SD, USA	Posted: 7/29/2007 8:37:03 PM EDT [#49] My new KISS setup. Will be ran with a ceiner kit 90% of its life but it will do a little switch hitting too. Sabre Defense A1 upper/14.5" with extended A2 FH pin weld. 1/9 twist chrome lined M4 handguards LMT Enhanced carrier group with BCM extractor kit Stag lower Magpul CTR Mil spec stock kit Magpul MAID Ceiner .22 conversion kit BDM 30rd mag

joelad International Arms Dealer Joined Jan 2002 Posts 1928 EE 97% (38) PA, USA	Posted: 7/30/2007 7:41:27 PM EDT [#50] Here's mine.
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