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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:51:04 PM EDT
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I got into a gently used LMT locally for $750. There are too many good deals out there now to pay $1200 for a Colt.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:52:22 PM EDT
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I know you mentioned Colt and Ruger but have you thought about a BCM? Quite close in price and the BCM is a beast. I've had mine for 5 years now and I've never had one issue with it. I have their middy 16" CHF. The rifle is rock solid. Just food for thought.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:00:53 PM EDT
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I've got my eye on a Colt SOCOM or a Law Enforcement Carbine. But a new Ruger is 1/2 the price. Heck a baseline S&W is 1/2 the price. I'm wondering if the Colt is worth it. Opinions? The Colt is a niche gun I guess. Gotta ask yourself. Do you want a 14.5" with a pinned muzzle device or a 16"? Worried about having a SOCOM profile barrel? Want a Knights Rail? Maybe for a first gun look at something else. Get your fill of a factory built gun and change all the furniture to your likings. Then once you've played with that look into something else. I got a SOCOM because I was looking for a 6920 anyway. But, at the same time I wanted a 14.5" upper instead of a 16". It would have cost me more to buy a Colt lower, 14.5" pinned upper, KAC rail and everything than to just buy the complete gun. In reality it just depends on what YOU want. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:12:42 PM EDT
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I got into a gently used LMT locally for $750. There are too many good deals out there now to pay $1200 for a Colt. OP, I'd go 16" BCM Reece with the 15" KMR-A |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:21:34 PM EDT
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Colt 6960-CCU.
Most other baseline Colts can be had for ~$900. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:22:50 PM EDT
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The Colt is worth it to me. I like to know my ARs can handle abuse if they ever needed to.
That being said, for the price I've been really impressed with the M&P's ive handled and fired. So pick your poison, battle proven or cheap but solid. Both are good rifles. Avoid the Ruger. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:52:44 PM EDT
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The Colt SOCOM for your first? Probably overkill and I agree with the previous statement of "niche." But a Colt 6920, in any flavor (and there are many now) for $630-$750 is the right move. It used to be the sum of the parts was greater as a whole for a factory rifle. We're in the twilight zone right now, where the sum of the parts on a 6920 are probably worth more than what you'll pay for the rifle. Buy that now. There will always be cheap Sport IIs and Rugers to pick up later.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:19:42 PM EDT
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I got into a gently used LMT locally for $750. There are too many good deals out there now to pay $1200 for a Colt. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:20:28 PM EDT
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I know you mentioned Colt and Ruger but have you thought about a BCM? Quite close in price and the BCM is a beast. I've had mine for 5 years now and I've never had one issue with it. I have their middy 16" CHF. The rifle is rock solid. Just food for thought. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:21:50 PM EDT
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The Colt is a niche gun I guess. Gotta ask yourself. Do you want a 14.5" with a pinned muzzle device or a 16"? Worried about having a SOCOM profile barrel? Want a Knights Rail? Maybe for a first gun look at something else. Get your fill of a factory built gun and change all the furniture to your likings. Then once you've played with that look into something else. I got a SOCOM because I was looking for a 6920 anyway. But, at the same time I wanted a 14.5" upper instead of a 16". It would have cost me more to buy a Colt lower, 14.5" pinned upper, KAC rail and everything than to just buy the complete gun. In reality it just depends on what YOU want. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:23:20 PM EDT
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The Colt is worth it to me. I like to know my ARs can handle abuse if they ever needed to. That being said, for the price I've been really impressed with the M&P's ive handled and fired. So pick your poison, battle proven or cheap but solid. Both are good rifles. Avoid the Ruger. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:25:45 PM EDT
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I'm ex-Army MP, so I'm use to these weapons, but not near as up on the current brand and prices as many (most) here. For the past six or seven years I've been running a CMMG gas piston that has done me well. I'm just getting an itch. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:25:56 PM EDT
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The Colt SOCOM for your first? Probably overkill and I agree with the previous statement of "niche." But a Colt 6920, in any flavor (and there are many now) for $630-$750 is the right move. It used to be the sum of the parts was greater as a whole for a factory rifle. We're in the twilight zone right now, where the sum of the parts on a 6920 are probably worth more than what you'll pay for the rifle. Buy that now. There will always be cheap Sport IIs and Rugers to pick up later. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:49:06 PM EDT
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If I was in the market for another Colt I'd be looking at the LE6920-R Trooper. Can be had for $717 plus $8 shipping from grabagun and comes with a Centurion CMR MLOK. Other than the LWRCI DI, I'd say it's one of the best deals out there at the moment.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:58:37 PM EDT
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I'm not up on all brands, so I had to check out what BCM is. Wow, it is even more expensive than Colt. I know you said you're out in the sticks, but it might be worth it to make a trip to your closest city depending on the drive. I'd bet you could find at least one store who'd cut you a good deal on a complete rifle |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:58:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2017 12:40:44 AM EDT
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Get the Colt online. Prices are not going to be better than they are right now. It makes me want to buy another.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 1:27:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2017 1:51:20 AM EDT
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Older Colt absolutely. Newer Colt, hell no. It's no secret that colt isn't as good as they used to be and now there are many other good choices for similar money. If you have to have the Colt name then by all means get one.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 6:08:08 AM EDT
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3 new Colts. All are perfect.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:25:19 AM EDT
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Looking at Gunjoker and the Equipment Exchange here and I don't see those prices. Maybe in cities where there is more gun shop competition. There is one on Equipment Exchange, a LT barrel on a 6920 lower for $750, but it hasn't sold and hasn't sold and he isn't going any lower. Even if so, that light barrel would heat up pretty quick. If it was anything other than that I'd probably already have it (although someone else might either). |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:36:37 AM EDT
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3 new Colts. All are perfect. You are paying for a roll stamp indifferently applied. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:45:04 AM EDT
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Many thanks, Zerlak! |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 11:31:26 AM EDT
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Just a heads up, the Grabagun linked Colt is advertised as LE 6920, but is not a LE marked lower. Quote HistoryLink to site. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 11:46:04 AM EDT
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No firearm is perfect, and the fit and finish of Colt AR's are about as imperfect as you can get. Yes, they function fine. Calling them perfect is fanboy bias. You are paying for a roll stamp indifferently applied. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3 new Colts. All are perfect. You are paying for a roll stamp indifferently applied. There is actually more than a simple rollmark difference as well, when you get down to the parts themselves and people have discovered this through high round count classes or using their rifle in harsh elements. The Ruger does not have anywhere near the quality of parts that the Colt will have. Most shooters will barely use their rifle, save for 100 here and there, and so sure it won't matter to them. Start stretching the legs and you will begin to wish you had something a bit more reputable. Henderson made a post in the high round count thread of his even, detailing that his Colt bolts actually did last a bit longer than the PSA and that the PSA upper cracked much sooner than the Colt uppers. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 1:31:01 PM EDT
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Colt designates the model as a "LE6920", there is no basic "6920". The LE in the name of the rifle has nothing to do with markings on the lower. Link to site. So there are le 6920s without the le prefix on the serial? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 1:39:32 PM EDT
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So there are le 6920s without the le prefix on the serial? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Colt designates the model as a "LE6920", there is no basic "6920". The LE in the name of the rifle has nothing to do with markings on the lower. Link to site. So there are le 6920s without the le prefix on the serial? The rifle from Grabagun is a LE6920 and it's serial range will still start with LE the same as even the 6920 OEM models do. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 1:54:11 PM EDT
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The serial range will start with LE but the "For Law Enforcement Use Only" markings will not be on it. Those are a bit rare to find, these days. The rifle from Grabagun is a LE6920 and it's serial range will still start with LE the same as even the 6920 OEM models do. 
Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 1:58:27 PM EDT
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Ah, now I see. I read the link totally wrong. LE prefix LE 6920. Just not roll marked LE/RESTRICTED. My bad.
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The serial range will start with LE but the "For Law Enforcement Use Only" markings will not be on it. Those are a bit rare to find, these days. The rifle from Grabagun is a LE6920 and it's serial range will still start with LE the same as even the 6920 OEM models do.
Thanks. Even in our own EE, you'll find the "For LEO Use" markings command a higher premium. From what I've seen, any LE6920 (Weather it be OEM or even the 6921) will contain the LE in the serial number. The only non-LE serial number range rifle I've personally seen has been the AR15A4 which starts with CAR or "Colt Armalite Rifle" and is even marked with an "AR-15", as opposed to the M4 of the LE6920. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 2:19:13 PM EDT
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With all the Expanse line and recent Colt Mexico lowers flooding the market, it's difficult to keep up to speed.
I saw CDNN was selling surplus Colts with varied markings recently. AR15, Sporter, LE lightweight. Premium pricing, of course. Arms Unlimited is selling Colt Mexico, Match Target Competition , and Law Enforcement stripped lowers currently. The match target do not have the LE prefix, rather CAR as you stated, IIRC? Both my 6920 lowers came LE prefix, I know the initial Expanse samples were CE prefix. Seems to be where the current confusion began. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 3:39:27 PM EDT
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With all the Expanse line and recent Colt Mexico lowers flooding the market, it's difficult to keep up to speed. I saw CDNN was selling surplus Colts with varied markings recently. AR15, Sporter, LE lightweight. Premium pricing, of course. Arms Unlimited is selling Colt Mexico, Match Target Competition , and Law Enforcement stripped lowers currently. The match target do not have the LE prefix, rather CAR as you stated, IIRC? Both my 6920 lowers came LE prefix, I know the initial Expanse samples were CE prefix. Seems to be where the current confusion began. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 10:48:48 AM EDT
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LE6920 $746
If you do get a Colt dont forget about their summer rebate. Free soft case and a PMAG. I was able to get them to accept the rebate I filed on my SOCOM. At first they denied me but, after a quick email they went ahead and approved it. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 1:56:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2017 1:57:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2017 1:28:05 AM EDT
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PSA has a carbine build kit for $350 just need a stripped lower and you have a complete rifle for $400. Spwnd the extra money on ammo and mags then shoot it a lot.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:03:28 AM EDT
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If you're set on a Colt, take a look at the 6720 w/the pencil bbl.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:26:25 AM EDT
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I got into a gently used LMT locally for $750. There are too many good deals out there now to pay $1200 for a Colt. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 11:34:15 AM EDT
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I have a Colt 6920. Nice gun. I just bought an FN15 carbine with an A2 carry handle for $779. I am very impressed with the fit finish and quality, although I haven't shot it yet.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 12:54:41 PM EDT
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That Aero linked above is a very good deal, if you are not concerned with the Colt brand name.
Aero makes a solid rifle for the price, mil spec other than the nitrided barrel. But that isn't an issue, unless you do a lot of full auto shooting, as chrome lined handles that kind of use better. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:51:21 PM EDT
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PSA has a carbine build kit for $350 just need a stripped lower and you have a complete rifle for $400. Spwnd the extra money on ammo and mags then shoot it a lot. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:54:58 PM EDT
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If you're set on a Colt, take a look at the 6720 w/the pencil bbl. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 2:58:41 PM EDT
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I have a Colt 6920. Nice gun. I just bought an FN15 carbine with an A2 carry handle for $779. I am very impressed with the fit finish and quality, although I haven't shot it yet. https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/High-round-count-AR-M4-s-over-100-000-rounds-and-how-they-have-handled-on-our-range/118-677135/? |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 4:45:32 PM EDT
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I'd go with a Colt 6920 OEM and outfit it how you want. If you like the looks/setup of the SOCOM, you could grab a KAC RAS off the EE and a SOPMOD (or whatever stock you prefer); you'd have something very similar to a SOCOM for a lot less (minus the M4A1 markings and 14.5" pinned SOCOM barrel). If you think it's remotely possible you'll want a different stock or anything else, no point in paying for the factory furniture. All you need to decide is if you want an FSB or not.
On the other hand, if you think you'll ever have any interest in a clone build down the road (M4A1 SOPMOD Block 1/1.5/II or Mk18/CQBR), I'd get the SOCOM. It's worth having almost for the M4A1 marked lower alone. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 4:49:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2017 6:27:30 PM EDT
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CDNN is good to go. And that's a great price on the Colt. Nothing wrong with a ruger either IMHO. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 7:21:04 PM EDT
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If you want a Colt, then a 6920 is the way to go, unless you want to spend more, then I would get their new rifle with midlength gas.
If I get a Colt myself though, it will be the A4 clone they have. Similar to what I was issued when I was in. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 1:29:58 AM EDT
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If you buy a Colt you will not have to worry about the quality. Socom14.5" is a awesome carbine!
I know first hand. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 7:41:48 AM EDT
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Inspiration, OP. Buy/build a Colt SOCOM barreled rig. They are amazing.
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