Where can I find a grenade clip for behind the fron flash hider?  Thanks!

Dave

HOW MANY YOU WANT??? Here ya go..http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/parts.cgi?read=262369

BTW, what model #'s are these appropriate on?  Only 601's?

This was replaced by the "grenade ring" on the carbines, right?

If it's any guide,  I have seen the Colt booklet called "5.56mm Military Weapons Systems, Car-15 and CMG-1 Specifications."  It's from 1965.
In it there is a picture of the front of a rifle with a grenade on it.  So if rifle grenades were still being used in 1965 as this would imply then those spring retainer clips would be correct for 601s, 602s, early 603s, and early 604s. I'm sure an expert will be along shortly to confirm or deny.  
The "grenade ring" on a carbine is used to hold the grenade launcher in place not the grenade.
See photo  http://www.warboats.org/mst2Bremmer/Stoner_ord_notes/stonerhtml/XM148.htm

Huh, interesting!

OK, now, wonder if there's any clips of the retainer tongs on 602/3/4 type rifles, so far I think I've only seen 601's with them.

Sniper,

The link doesn't work and I searched the site with no luck.  Any more around?  Thanks!

Dave

Sarco  part number  AR217  $4.95 ea or $14.95 for five  Ad in Shotgun News Vol 63 Issue 35 Dec 14, 2009

Wish I had cleaned them out when I got mine for $1.79.

Group buy?  

Well, it beats the $25.00 Bill Ricca wants for one . Sportsmans Guide had these really cheap a few years back, there ad said they came out of Israel.

This doesn't show the spring retainer clip, but the "CAR Family Photo" below which must be from a Colt brochure, also shown on the bottom of the model 605 page on Retroblackrifle.com,  shows a 603 with a chrome BCG and a rifle grenade and leaf sight.

Peep, I think early partial fence 603's (Thats what that looks like to me, I think) actually had chrome BCG's, so that doesn't shock me.

I do wonder if it has the retainer though...I mean, hey, you don't NEED that to launch the grenades do you?  The "Simon" breeching grenade the Israeli's made seems to fit a normal 16A2...

I've only seen modern photos of these spring clips even on 601s and clones. I'll bet old photos exist but I've  never seen a picture from the 1959 to say '65  time frame that shows the spring retainer.  All the photos I've seen from then show a grenade on the rifle just like that "Family Photo."   Is there a retainer clip underneath or not? I can not say. Maybe someone can post a photo from that period that shows. I'll keep looking too.

By the way...Does anybody else find it unusual that EVERYTHING that HE has there is the original, first, best, yadda, yadda, yadda and everything else that everyone else has and makes is crap?

Or do I just not know Bill that well yet?

The original AR15 design incorporated the ability to fire rifle grenades as that was one of the things the Army desired in any/all of it's infantry rifles at the time (1950's), the grenade ring is actually more a "grenade stabilizer". The FH itself is actually the mount for the standard (of the time) Energa 75mm grenade, the grenade will mount on the FH w/o the "grenade ring", the ring is more of a spring that stabilizes the rear of the grenade behind the actual "mount" which is the FH, I've seen no reference to the ring/spring in any of the manuals of the time, including the 1960 Colt AR15 manual, the early Air Force manual on the 601 or the 1966 XM16E1 manual. They are military contract parts though but they may have been for use once the rifle was fired a few times w/the grenade as the fit between a new FH & the grenade (talking of the Energa here) is very tight when new & doesn't seem to need the ring, after a few grenade launches the wear from the grenade base on the FH may have been enough to leave a bit of "wobble", the ring would stabilize the grenade & overcome this, I think this may have been the original purpose for these, by the time the AR15 was actually in service the "need" for the rifle to fire rifle grenades was pretty much unnecessary due to the early grenade launchers (think the early one, VN era, was the Law) & the developement of the M79, XM148 & M203, the later rifle grenades, after the Energa were also a bit smaller & lighter in the "head" area of the grenade & most likely wouldn't have created a "wear" problem on the surface of the FH. This "theory" is based on my 601 & 603 replicas w/the Energa grenade fitted, on the 601 the barrel assembly is a NOS 601 unit & the grenade goes on the Duckbill & is very tight & stable, when I put it on the XM16E1 replica which has a "used" 3-prong it's a bit looser, putting the ring on the XM16E1 tightens it up completely. Also w/the ring in place once you fit a grenade to the rifle the "tongs or fingers" on the grenade ring lose some of their "spring" so even using a ring it seems they would most likely be effective for a few launchings & then they'd have to be replaced! It appears (to me) that the grenade ring, which would probably be more correctly identified as a spring was designed/purchased to solve a problem that never came up in service due to the fact that the M16 once finally adopted & issued in lg numbers was never used to launch rifle grenades as that requirement was met by the other pieces of equipment mentioned above.
As for Bill Ricca, if you want real, legit stuff you can count on his stuff being the real deal without question, I know him, see him at many shows, he is one of the most knowledgeable, honest & sincere guys I've met in the collecting field in 30yrs, his speciality is US arms & their accoutrements & he does not misrepresent or mistakenly identify anything, he's one of the most honest, honorable & dedicated people I've ever met, so you can deal w/him w/absolute confidence, bar none!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No Offense, your probably not old enough to know his reputation yet.  Bill Ricca (and Different) are probably the most knowledgeable and respected names around M14's and M1's.
He'll take questions here:

http://www.m14tfl.com/upload/forumdisplay.php?f=33

To add to ^^  BAR's ,03 springfields,.30,.50 cal machineguns,.45 colt 1911,M16s.Pretty much ANY firearm in the US inventory going back ??????

Jeez, I stirred up a mess. Just meant I wouldn't pay that much for one of those clips. He does have a whole lot of other stuff that can be hard to find.

Nah, you're right. It does beat the $25.00 that Bill Ricca has it for.

But try to engrave a Colt emblem on it...

Naa,don't consider it stirring up a mess...We just know Bill for alot of years and want you and all to know he's good to go for sure...That's all..Like a mother bear watching over her cubs... And DO feel free to bounce questions off him he is a wealth of info...

Well, apparently I just don't know Bill that well yet.
Sorry for torching him so quick!

My skepticism comes from dealing recently with another manufacturer, who has similar (But in their case, false!) hype about their products.

Funny, I just listed one on GunBroker.com

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd135/rbrenalvirez/Sell1019.jpg

Edited...VA-gunnut

welcome to the retro forum........but you may want to read the Code of Conduct at the top of the page, then edit your post before you get locked.





sorry, but you're not allowed to advertise your stuff here in the retro forum..someone else can show a link to your stuff, but you can't

 

Oops! Thanks and my apologies for not knowing the procedure! I removed the link. Hope that is sufficient!

looks like you have some nice handguards up on GB as well