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Posted: 7/30/2003 10:11:29 AM EDT
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Does anyone besides me have trouble re-inserting the firing pin retaining pin (the cotter pin) back into the bolt carrier? Always seems to give me fits. Have bent at least one doing it. Does anyone make a replacement unit that's easier to use? Machined steel, or aluminum for that matter. Not a high stress part, I would think you could even use plastic if so inclined. Always thought that cotter pin was the worst part of the AR design. |
| There is an ad in Shotgun News by a company called Flashco Inc. They offer a product called Perma Pin which the ad claims was designed by Eugene Stoner and was the original pin of the system. The price is $7.95 each or 3 for $20.00 postpaid. I have not tried it but it looks interesting. They do not advertise a web site but their phone number is (970) 252-1851. They are located in Colorado. |
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Funny you mention that. I've always had the same problem. I resorted to using a small screwdriver or similar fine tool to push the two halves of the pin together while trying to insert it. Always a pain in the butt though. There was a similar thread here recently. You wouldn't happen to have a RRA, would you ? I bought another pin at the gunshow recently to replace the one in my RRA, and it goes in without any tools. The tips of the pin are more tapered, and I'm sure that helps. Try another one and see if it helps - for $0.75, it sure worked for me. |
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You're not alone there, Sir. All of my uppers (Bushy, FA, RRA) share this; I've been ragged about it at the club because the CMP AR's they use are much easier to assemble. I'd use caution making substitutions though; that little steel pin is hardened for a good reason. It's not a cotter pin, despite the physical resemblance. Early on I figured out that if one side is longer than the other, even slightly, that's the side that goes in first & should face the firing pin. When the pin stops as the shorter side hits the bolt inside surface, use a small tool to push it against the longer side, while pushing on the pin & it goes in easy. The spread pin halves have always made me feel a bit more confident that that little pin is a lot less likely to slip out of the bolt at a bad time. |
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Yes, its a RRA, though the Oly I had before could also be tricky. Got some new pins this noon and cured the problem. For now. Tapering the tip of the pin sounds like it has merit. I now have three pins to play with so if one gets messed up I'm still good to go. Was a little worried. Gun (and me) are heading to Perry first thing Sunday morning. Was cleaning the gun last night and the existing pin, um, met up with some difficulties. |
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I have no problem putting mine in, I slide it in until it sticks (it sticks because the ends are spread apart slightly), then rotate it back and forth somewhat while pushing and it goes right in, no problem, takes all of .0003 seconds. Of course, if the pin has sharp squared off ragged edges at the ends, you can hit it with a miniature file a little bit. |
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I never had this problem on any M16/AR rifle I've had the pleasure & pain to disassemble. In boot camp we were told to push the pin in, then rotate it if we met resistance. It's always worked for me. I don't like the idea of a cotter pin, hardened or not, holding the firing pin in place. If it breaks in a SHTF scenario, the shooter is screwed. I too have been looking at the ad in SGN, and am tempted to buy one of their pins just to try it out. JoeLad |
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There is nothing wrong with the firing pin retaining pin. They are more than adequate for the job they need to do, which is simply to keep the firing pin from falling out. They get bent when firing pin collars snag on hammers, which literally hammers the firing pin into the retaining pin, which of course is a completely separate problem and has nothing to do with how adequate the retaining pin is. That said, a more durable solid pin would last longer, yes, allowing the pin to continue being used after another problem is fixed, instead of forcing its replacement as with the regular split pin. And for peace of mind, that's always nice. |
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