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2/16/2012 6:34:58 AM EDT
What if any difference is there between the Federal Lake City XM855LC1 AC1 62gr. Penetrator  on strippers 420rds. in 30 Cal ammo can & Lake City XM855 62gr. Green Tip Penetrator ammo 1,000rds. packed loose in cardboard box? Is this the same seconds?
2/16/2012 6:58:48 AM EDT
[#1]
Federal claims it is all the same ammo regardless of packaging.
However the Ammo Review at the top of the forum indicates this is not actually the case unless they have made a change.
I think most people find a number of obvious culls in the loose pack cases.
2/16/2012 8:40:15 AM EDT
[#2]
Now I read somewhere that the loose pack does not have the same quality as the stripper packs. I dont see the difference though..
2/16/2012 9:23:54 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Now I read somewhere that the loose pack does not have the same quality as the stripper packs. I dont see the difference though..


Common sense, loose pack rounds are going to move around and ding each other ie less quality because of damaged rounds, while ammo on stripper clips are neatly packed and in cardboards with less moving around and dings.
2/16/2012 9:48:03 AM EDT
[#4]
The defects I have seen come out of loose packs including some pictures posted on this site go way beyond anything that could happen from being packed loose.
2/16/2012 10:09:13 AM EDT
[#5]
All Lake City M855 is the same ammo and the only variation is packaging. These are mass produced products, and the Lake City M855 is produced in volume like no other cartridge in the world. In this process a very small percentage of defective or damaged ammo will slip through the production process and get out the door. However I don't believe that qualifies it to be called a "second". The ammo the Military get is is performance tested to insure in meets certain mil-spec standards where as the consumer sales materials do not get performace tested, but are deemed fit for use.

Also I believe there is a misconceived notion that the military gets ammo that is a lot nicer. One of my employees Carl, the guy in the far left on the picture on our website www.SGAmmo.com, served 15 months of combat in Iraq as the M240 LMG guy in his squad. He says that before the left the base they would inspected each and every round of ammunition they were taking with them. He says it was very common to find ammo with huge dents, cracked cases, reversed primers, missing primers, bullets shoved all the way into the case, casings with no projectile, etc etc in all forms of front line duty grade ammunition be it linked or clipped or boxed, issued to them to carry into the battlefield. I have heard similar things from several of soldiers i have met in the gunshow business as well. The lesson to learn here is that military ammo needs to be inspected if you ever plan to bet your life on it

Regards

Sam
2/16/2012 10:13:03 AM EDT
[#6]
I have shot thousands of both and never seen a difference besides packaging....





 
2/16/2012 1:16:47 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Now I read somewhere that the loose pack does not have the same quality as the stripper packs. I dont see the difference though..


Common sense, loose pack rounds are going to move around and ding each other ie less quality because of damaged rounds, while ammo on stripper clips are neatly packed and in cardboards with less moving around and dings.


Quoted:
The defects I have seen come out of loose packs including some pictures posted on this site go way beyond anything that could happen from being packed loose.


This. I don't know that the "loose packs" are any lower quality, but as to the damage idea: There is no way that a cartridge, packed fairly tightly in the "loose" box, could reach a velocity from being bumped to accumulate enough momentum to do anything to another case inside the box. (Try punching a hole in a wall, but start with your fist already against the wall... a lot harder)

For this to occur, the cases would need to have the hardness/rigidity of aluminum foil. The most they could do to each other in the box is pretty minuscule.
2/16/2012 3:47:44 PM EDT
[#8]
Thanks for the head up's I got a case of IMI M193. Now out of stock. Bought two cans of Federal M855 at Wally world for $149. Local Gun Shop has same at $169. Just starting to stock up . Should I just keep buying Federal 420 rnd ammo cans?? Thanks
2/16/2012 4:47:28 PM EDT
[#9]
In my opinion, you would not go wrong in buying more of the 420 rd cans.  As I say, get it while you can, as 1 day you will find you can't get it anymore.  Good ammo as well.  Hope this helps!
2/18/2012 8:44:23 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
All Lake City M855 is the same ammo and the only variation is packaging. These are mass produced products, and the Lake City M855 is produced in volume like no other cartridge in the world. In this process a very small percentage of defective or damaged ammo will slip through the production process and get out the door. However I don't believe that qualifies it to be called a "second". The ammo the Military get is is performance tested to insure in meets certain mil-spec standards where as the consumer sales materials do not get performace tested, but are deemed fit for use.

Also I believe there is a misconceived notion that the military gets ammo that is a lot nicer. One of my employees Carl, the guy in the far left on the picture on our website www.SGAmmo.com, served 15 months of combat in Iraq as the M240 LMG guy in his squad. He says that before the left the base they would inspected each and every round of ammunition they were taking with them. He says it was very common to find ammo with huge dents, cracked cases, reversed primers, missing primers, bullets shoved all the way into the case, casings with no projectile, etc etc in all forms of front line duty grade ammunition be it linked or clipped or boxed, issued to them to carry into the battlefield. I have heard similar things from several of soldiers i have met in the gunshow business as well. The lesson to learn here is that military ammo needs to be inspected if you ever plan to bet your life on it

Regards

Sam


With today’s technologies there is no excuse for ammo that would fail a visual inspection to reach the field.
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