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Posted: 1/9/2005 4:41:52 PM EDT
| well Hi all new here.....Finaly finished my bushmaster the the way it was ment to be and now I want to build another rifle since there is no ban. I have a brand new dpms model pump reciever that looks the same internally as my bushmaster standard ar reciever. can I build a semi auto rifle with this? I guess they used to make a cali legal pump ar rifle. I will post a photo asap of the reciever...thanks all....dan |
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well I do not have the pump upper....I bought the reciever with the intent to make a ar-15 semi auto. I told the dealer that at the gun show and bought that reciever and got home and saw that it had "pump" on it. I called dpms and they said it is not legal to put any other upper on it besides the pump one....wow that sucks.... but it does "work" with a normal upper though |
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OKay, some questions...... Did you tell DPMS that you are NOT in California? Or did they assume you are in California. It's like the "bolt action AR pistols" that were made during the ban. To make them semi auto, all they did was plop an upper on it. So, this 'pump' marked lower, was it stripped? Or was it a finished lower (lower parts and stock)? I doubt that this pump marked lower left the factory w/out an upper......doesn't sound like something DPMS would do (as in sell their lowrs w/out the upper). Personally, I don't see a ryme or reason why it would be illegal to use any other upper besides the pump upper. Maybe they are doing a CYA......If you are not in a state that bans the semi AR like Kali, then it *should* be fine. (Warning- not a lawyer....) 
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Another question.... did you ask if the lower was sold as stripped from the factory (as in verify by telling the SN)? They can answer this for sure...... I find it funny that they would sell a "pump" lower stripped..... Was the dealer a FFL or private (you don't have to answer this). If it was a FFL dealer, you would have had to fill out the paper work on it and on the paperwork the dealer would have listed "stripped lower" or maybe rifle....who knows. IF it was a private dealer (private seller), and no paper work, what you might have gotten could have been a completed rifle at one point that was parted out. I'm just making assumptions....thinking aloud since this doesn't make sence to me..... A DPMS pump marked lower sold stripped....... I thought they would be complete rifles only.....   Now, either way, DPMS can answer the question. You don't have to say you called before hand (unless you mentioned the SN last time). Call and verify if the reciever was a completed rifle or left as a stripped receiver. Because if it was shipped as stripped.... I would think it would be treated exactly like any stripped receiver... Now, if it was a completed lower (rifle) that left the factory, I still don't understand why it could *only* have a pump upper. Especially if your state does not have any restrictions on "AR type" rifles. It's status would be exactly like those *manual charging handle loaded* AR pistols built during the ban. No gas system, so they dont' self load. But converting them to semi use after ban consisted of swapping uppers...and that is legal. That's how I think of it....... things that make you go "hummmmmm"   I know DPMS made pump pistols and would bet money that those who have them bought a semi upper to switch them over. I would have. (And DPMS never sold the pump pistol upper seperately either.) They would have made more $$$$ selling it to the public, but choose not to. |
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When in doubt contact your local prosecutor AND the BATF office....then get it in writing. What DPMS says is really irrelevant. They do not make or enforce firearms regulations. If you get nailed for something that wasn't legal in your jurisdiction, "DMPS or ARFCOM said so" is not a defense. I don't see anything wrong with building a Semi AR out of a "pump" receiver, but again, see the above statement. It's all about CYA, and I would hate to see your name in case law. |
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