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Posted: 8/7/2005 3:29:24 PM EDT
Hi! I am currently seeking to purchase an AR15 for home defense and also to possibley use on duty. I was wondering if anyone could suggest one model over all the others. We have bushmasters at my police department now, but i am considering colt, rock river arms, and wilson . Any thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 3:36:38 PM EDT
RRA makes a great a AR, their quality is top notch. as for wilson or colt, you will be paying more simply because the name on them, not that they are any better.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 3:39:21 PM EDT
Hey Mobius,
Thanks for such a quick reply. Any thoughts on a specifice model in Rock River ARms?
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 3:40:24 PM EDT
You can use you're personal weapons as on duty weapons?? Lucky you. Ok you're gonna get a TON of posts about how Colts are the ONLY AR-15 you can bet your life on. But thats NOT the BEST AR for the MONEY. IMHO RRA are the BEST for the money right now. Bushies are my personal favorite as I own 2 but they have jumped a little in price recently and are only slightly less then a COLT. RRA are a great buy for the money. Just my 2 cents.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 3:43:35 PM EDT
For the money right off the shelf I would say that RRA and Bushmaster are the best AR for the money.
My two suggestions:
RRA Elite CAR A4

Bushmaster XM15A3 Carbine
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 3:45:54 PM EDT
personal preference



bushmaster
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 3:49:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
personal preference



bushmaster


+1
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 4:13:03 PM EDT
value-wise the Bushmaster M4 A3 Patrolmans Carbine is a good choice

They can be had brand new for about $950

Of course, for another $200, you can have the best - The Colt LE series

You will likely drop that extra $200 in accessories anyway, so maybe the Colt is the answer.

Both are very good
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 4:13:35 PM EDT
I really like Bushmaster, Eagle Arms, Colt, Stag Arms, etc. Depending on how much you can get it for, you may also think about buying a lower and upper separately. Say, Stag Arms lower and upper separately from the dealers in the EE. That way you can spread out the cost over time. Get a lower first here-->www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=21&t=254846 from Eagle Arms and then an upper here-->www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=261217 from Bravo Company USA. It is a quality AR.

If you have the money saved up then I would shop around for a Bushmaster in the configuration you want. It doesn't sound like it's that important to save $100 here or there so getting a Bushmaster is what I would do. Definitely get an A3 ie. detachable carry handle in case you want to put on some optics later. If you are travelling with it on duty then it definitely should have a collapsable stock and then either a 14.5" or 16" barrel with a flash-hider.

This is all IMHO only. Good luck with your purchase and stock up on mags and ammo!!!
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 4:14:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 4:15:54 PM EDT by YELLOWV]
I bought my Patrolman several months ago for $950. Now they are closer to $850. That is $300-400 cheaper than the Colt. I would buy the Bushy and spend the extra cash on mags and ammo.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 4:17:09 PM EDT
Here's my Bushy.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 4:38:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Pibb148:
Hey Mobius,
Thanks for such a quick reply. Any thoughts on a specifice model in Rock River ARms?




like someone stated the RRA Elite CAR A4 is a great choice, very compact and light weight......providing you don't saddle it will a lot of un-necessary do-dads, and gee wizz stuff on it. I have the "tactical entry" model and have not had any malfuction with it, and it isn't finicky with what you feed it.......RRA has great prices on their ARs,
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 5:35:58 PM EDT
rra or dsa
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 5:54:19 PM EDT
Redfisher,
I like the Colts alot! Do you know if you can get them in a ss and or fluted barrel config? There web site is pretty crappy in my opinion.hug.gif
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 6:00:28 PM EDT
IMO RRA is better. Mine is flawless and it comes with the national match two stage trigger. A $120 bonus
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 6:02:59 PM EDT
My friend I shoot with everyweekend had a Bushy and said it was nothing but problems, he sold it after 6 months.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 6:08:11 PM EDT
Topher,,
Which RRA do you have? any suggestions? Does RRA make an AR with fluted barrel?
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 6:18:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By topher:
My friend I shoot with everyweekend had a Bushy and said it was nothing but problems, he sold it after 6 months.



If it was a true Bushy he should have sent it back for repairs.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 6:29:50 PM EDT
Colt , Bushmaster, RRA in that order.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 6:39:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 7:13:23 PM EDT by topher]
My RRA is a special build. Flat top, 16 in Heavy Chrome Moly 1:9, free float I will have a pic up here in a minute.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 6:43:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 6:48:37 PM EDT by Variablebinary]
Hands down RRA is the best deal in the AR15 world

My entry tactical was $850

Chrome lined
M4 feed ramps
M4 shielded handguards
Hogue
sweet Two Stage Trigger
6 Pos stock with little wobble
Side sling mount
T Marked upper with RRA Logo
RRA logo on standard Cardinal Forge Carry handle (dont bother with the tactical handle)

Nothing comes close to that deal at that price unless you build it yourself. And it's an RRA, DEA proven to withstand worst shit you can throw at it. Not to mention the Life time warranty and guarantee on accuracy

Not to mention it looks really really good

I own four brands of AR's and RRA was the best purchase out of the bunch
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 6:48:42 PM EDT
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Don't worry the silver scope is being replaced by an Aimpoint next trip to my shop.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 6:55:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 6:56:05 PM EDT by topher]
based on the fact you want it for protection i would say stick with the short barrel, and I would strongly urge you to get the A4 you can always put iron sites on if you want, but they will not be in the way if you don't. I didn't get the collapsible stock but you would probably want one.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:10:47 PM EDT
RRA, RRA & RRA in that order.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:17:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 8:18:02 PM EDT by WIZZO_ARAKM14]

Originally Posted By Talyn:
RRA, RRA & RRA in that order.



+1, except you forgot RRA.




I second the Elite Car A4 w/chrome lined barrel.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:21:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:25:29 PM EDT
I think, for the most part, the barrels are still heavy under the HGs. If you order from ADCO, they can fix that.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:38:44 PM EDT
The best value for your money? An AR you build yourself, usually for $500-$600, far less if you get the parts in deals such as on the EE boards. Doing that and using left over parts, I built mine for under $300, works like a champ.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 9:04:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 10:28:46 PM EDT by _DR]
A few threads going on like this one.

Oh well, FWIW, my opinion.

Best value for the money: Stag Arms
Best Overall: Colt
Best Resale:Colt
Most Prolific: Armalite
Most Popular: Bushmaster and RRA
Most underwater bumpfired: Bushmaster
Red-Headed stepchild: Olympic
Most Multicalibered: Olympic
Most overpriced: Wilson and Les Baer
Most technologically innovative: Leitner-wise and P.O.F. and honorable mention to ZM Weapons.
Most unobtainable: H&K 416
Most non-existent: Ares Defense Shrike
Most Urban Mythologized: Mattel
Worst overall: Vulcan Arms
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 9:31:06 PM EDT
My dept' allows personally owned rifles as well and I have a Colt LE6920. It is something you may have to defend your life or anothers life with. If I were you I would only look at carrying a Colt, Bushmaster, RRA or LMT. There was a dealer offering LMT's to LE/Military on the EE for a really good price. Use what is keeping our troops and contracters alive everyday.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 9:32:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
...
Most underwater bumpfired: Bushmaster
...



whaaat??
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 9:32:26 PM EDT
[ DPMS [
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 9:34:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Acer0158:

Originally Posted By _DR:
...
Most underwater bumpfired: Bushmaster
...



whaaat??



You had to be there.




WIZZO
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:19:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 7:39:27 AM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By Acer0158:

Originally Posted By _DR:
...
Most underwater bumpfired: Bushmaster
...



whaaat??


For those that missed this act of folly:

Original thread: Can you fire a Bushmaster AR15 underwater?

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Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:26:31 PM EDT
THanks for the pics DR. I always knew the underwater bumpfiring thing was a joke around here but I didn't know a dumbass actually tried it
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 3:14:51 AM EDT
Hey Pibbster,

I too am am allowed to carry a personally owned rifle on patrol. My choice was the Colt 6920 after spending some serious reading time here at these forums. Got mine for $1099 from Kesselring's in Burlington, WA. Special pricing through Keith for law enforcement only.

Stay Safe!

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Link Posted: 8/8/2005 3:44:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 3:55:17 AM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 7:44:59 PM EDT
Hey Tweak,
I was looking at the fluted barrel because I thought it disapated the heat better and would last longer. I also heard the ss barrels are the best and most accurate. Any thoughts?
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 9:59:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/13/2005 9:59:23 PM EDT by AK_Mike]
The boost in heat disappation is minimal. Fluting doesn't make a barrel any more accurate or stiff when compared to a barrel of the same outside diameter. It will reduce the weight of a heavy barrel giving you a compromise between the heavy and lighter weight barrels.
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 10:05:34 PM EDT
RRA
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 10:10:04 PM EDT
RRA or build one yourself from good parts.
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 12:15:12 AM EDT
LMT, DPMS, Mega,
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 1:03:03 AM EDT
Stag Arms. It IS THE BEST for the money. CMT is Stag...CMT makes RRA...
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 1:13:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Stag Arms. It IS THE BEST for the money. CMT is Stag...CMT makes RRA...



CMT makes some parts for RRA, but they arent one and the same
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 1:38:35 AM EDT
Yeah your right, some parts as in recievers, bolts, bolt carriers...
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 1:57:54 AM EDT
Bushmaster Dissipator.

That's my suggestion and I'm sticking to it.
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 2:01:18 AM EDT
get the RRA before your mind gets polluted by everyone here.....
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 2:11:59 AM EDT
Romeo,
Which RRA?
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 5:08:00 AM EDT
I have both RRA and Bushy ARs. I cannot tell a difference in reliability. My RRA is more accurate. The barrel stays heavy under the handguards right up to the gas block. The upper and lower are more snug on the RRA. I just have the CAR A4 version RRA.

Link Posted: 8/14/2005 6:58:45 AM EDT
I would say Stag and RRA are a tie for the best value.
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 7:08:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AK_Mike:
The best value for your money? An AR you build yourself, usually for $500-$600, far less if you get the parts in deals such as on the EE boards. Doing that and using left over parts, I built mine for under $300, works like a champ.



not much in experience with ARs so forgive me if this questions seems out of wack. Wouldnt that be taking a chance with compatibility??
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