Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
BCM
User Panel

Page AR-15 » AR Discussions
AR Sponsor: bravocompany
Site Notices
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Posted: 1/11/2016 5:26:25 PM EDT
Accuracy Evaluations of 14.5” AR-15 Barrels
With Permanently Attached Muzzle Devices



The unwashed masses in my state are not allowed to own SBRs, therefore the shortest commonly available AR-15 barrels that I can legally posses are 14.5” barrels; with permanently attached muzzle devices that bring the overall length up to the legal length.  For this article, we’ll be looking at four different chrome-lined, NATO chambered, 14.5” AR-15 barrels with permanently attached muzzle devices:

>  Noveske 14.5” “Skinny” barrel

>  Noveske 14.5” N4 “Light” barrel

>  Bravo Company 14.5”  “government profile” barrel

>  Colt 14.5” M4A1 SOCOM barrel


The Noveske barrels evaluated have permanently attached Smith Enterprise Vortex flash-hiders.  The Bravo Company barrel evaluated has a permanently attached BCM A2X flash-hider and the Colt M4A1 SOCOM barrel evaluated has a permanently attached Young Manufacturing flash-hider.

All of the barrels were evaluated utilizing free-float hand-guards and match-grade hand-loaded ammunition.  All testing was conducted from the bench at a distance of 100 yards.

I conducted the accuracy (technically, precision) evaluations of the four different barrels listed above following my usual protocol.  These accuracy evaluations used statistically significant shot-group sizes and every single shot in a fired group was included in the measurements. There was absolutely no use of any group reduction techniques (e.g. fliers, target movement, Butterfly Shots).

The shooting set-up will be described in detail below. As many of the significant variables as was practicable were controlled for.  For these accuracy  evaluations, I used one of my standard match-grade hand-loads topped with Sierra 55 grain BlitzKings.  When fired from my Krieger barreled AR-15s, this load has produced ½ MOA 10-shot groups at 100 yards.








All shooting was conducted from a concrete bench-rest from a distance of 100 yards (confirmed with a laser rangefinder.) The barrels used in the evaluations were free-floated. The free-float hand-guards of the rifles rested in a Sinclair Windage Benchrest, while the stock of the rifle rested in a Protektor bunny-ear rear bag. Sighting was accomplished via a Leupold VARI-X III set at 25X magnification and adjusted to be parallax-free at 100 yards. A mirage shade was attached to the objective-bell of the scope. Wind conditions on the shooting range were continuously monitored using a Wind Probe. The set-up was very similar to that pictured below.









The Wind Probe.









The Colt M4A1 SOCOM barrel







A genuine Colt M4 SOCOM barrel is 14.5” long and has a medium contour  underneath the handguards (not a heavy barrel profile).  The barrel has a NATO chamber and a 1:7” twist.  The SOCOM barrel has the typical M4 circumferential cut-out located approximately 1.4” forward of the gas block for the attachment of an M203, as well as rectangular shaped cut-outs underneath the handguards on the port and starboard sides of the barrel, located approximately 1.4” aft of the gas block, for the same reason.  The SOCOM barrel employs the carbine length gas system.













The barrel stamp located just aft of the flash suppressor reads:

            C   MP
5.56 NATO 1/7








The barrel has an “F” marked front sight base and a side sling swivel.  The “F” mark is located on the port side of the front sight base.














The SOCOM barrel will have a “date code” located immediately aft of the handguard retaining ring.  The handguard retaining ring itself will also have cut-outs located at 4:30 and 8:30; again for the attachment of an M203.

The barrel will also have a small “O” stamp, that is located at the chamber section of the barrel, indicating a chrome-lined chamber and bore.










Naturally, the SOCOM barrel will have M4 feedramps and there will be a numeral “4” stamped at the 3 o’clock position on the barrel extension.







Here are a couple pics comparing the SOCOM barrel to the standard M4 barrel.















The Colt 14.5" M4A1 SOCOM barrel used in this evaluation was free-floated during testing using a Daniel Defense Omega free-float railed handguard.  Using the match-grade hand-loads, I fired three 10-shot groups from the Colt SOCOM barrel at a distance of 100 yards.  Those groups had extreme spreads of:

0.90”
1.02”
0.93”

for a 10-shot group average extreme spread of 0.95”.  All three of the 10-shot groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group.  The mean radius for the composite group was 0.35”.

The smallest 10-shot group.






The 30-shot composite group.













Noveske 14.5” N4 Light Barrel






For starters, Noveske’s nomenclature of “Light” for this barrel is somewhat misleading/confusing. When most shooters hear the term “light- weight” in regard to AR-15 barrels, they think of the “pencil” barrel profile of the original Colt M16/M16A1 and also the same light-weight profile of the Colt 16” carbine barrel found on the Colt 6520 and 6720.  However, this is not the profile of the Noveske N4 Light barrel.


Colt M16/M16A1 barrel . . .





Colt 6520 16” light-weight barrel . . .



Noveske’s N4 Light profile was designed to produce better accuracy than a government profile barrel without adding any weight.  The 14.5” and 16” N4 Light barrels have the same weight as Colt 14.5” and 16” government profile barrels.

As you can see in the pics below (16” version pictured), for the N4 Light barrel, Noveske has done away with the next-to-useless M203 (grenade launcher) cut-out found on the Colt government profile barrel.  The N4 profile also has a more evenly distributed barrel diameter (and thus weight) fore and aft of the gas block journal, which moves the center of gravity of the barrel farther aft compared to a government profile barrel.  This all makes for a superbly handling barrel.





Colt 6920 government profile barrel . . .





Noveske 16” N4 Light barrel . . .






The reason that Noveske uses the “Light” nomenclature for their N4 barrels is simply because the N4 barrels are lighter than Noveske’s original  medium contour stainless steel barrels.  


The Noveske 14.5” N4 Light barrel is a cold hammer forged barrel.  It has “M4” feed-ramps and a chrome-lined chamber and bore.  The barrel has a 5.56mm NATO chamber and a 1:7” twist and has been high-pressure/magnetic particle tested; as the barrel stamp indicates.  Contrary to erroneous Internet reports, the N4 barrel does not have polygonal rifling.


The barrel stamp . . .





The Noveske 14.5” N4 Light barrel used in this evaluation was free-floated during testing using a Larue Tactical free-float railed handguard.   Three 10-shot groups fired from 100 yards using match grade hand-loads had extreme spreads of:

1.029”
1.360”
1.275”

for a 10-shot group average of 1.22”.  As above, I over-layed the three 10-shot groups on each other using RSI Shooting lab to form a 30-shot composite group. The mean radius for that composite group was 0.37”.



…..



Bravo Company 14.5” Barrel






This is the cold hammer forged (BFH) version of Bravo Company’s 14.5” barrel with a mid-length gas system.  As can be seen in the pic above, this barrel has a government profile.  This is a chrome-lined, NATO chambered barrel with a 1:7” twist.  Bravo Company states that these barrels have been high-pressure/magnetic particle tested according to the current mil-spec.

The Bravo Company 14.5” barrel used in this evaluation was free-floated during testing using a Daniel Defense Omega free-float railed handguard.

Three, 10-shot groups of the match-grade hand-loads were fired in a row from the Bravo Company 14.5” barrel from a distance of 100 yards with the resulting extreme spreads:

1.58”
1.96”
1.50”

for an average 10-shot group extreme spread of 1.68”.  The three, 10-shot groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group.  The mean radius of the 30-shot composite group was 0.49”



The smallest 10-shot group . . .






The 30-shot composite group . . .





….









Noveske 14.5” “Skinny” Barrel




Noveske’s “Skinny” barrel is their version of the light-weight “pencil” profile barrel.  This barrel is a cold hammer forged barrel.  It has “M4” feed-ramps and a chrome-lined chamber and bore.  The barrel has a 5.56mm NATO chamber and a 1:7” twist and has been high-pressure/magnetic particle tested.  The barrel has traditional rifling.


The Novekse 14.5” “Skinny” barrel was tested while wearing a Centurion free-float rail.  For this barrel, I fired eight 10-shot groups in a row from the bench at a distance of 100 yards using the match-grade hand-loads.  The extreme spreads for those eight groups were as follows:

1.78”
1.89”
1.68”
1.71”
1.81”
2.12”
1.60”
1.84”

for an average extreme spread of 1.8” and a composite mean radius of 0.55”.




…..


Some additional data for comparison.  (All barrels were free-floated during testing.)






.....
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 5:28:57 PM EDT
[#1]
Thank you for sharing this data Molon!





Link Posted: 1/11/2016 5:35:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Those Colt's are better performers than I realized!
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 5:42:08 PM EDT
[#3]
Very interesting!  Thanks, Molon!
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 5:43:25 PM EDT
[#4]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:


Those Colt's are better performers than I realized!
View Quote




 
Molon's original post of the Colt 14.5" SOCOM barrel is what led me to buy mine back in the day. Mind you, I bought mine when they were expensive ($400 with FSB, barrel nut, and handguard end cap was the norm back then). It's installed in my favorite AR, and with irons it has proven to be a shooter out to 500 yards and beyond.




I need to snag a few more of those barrels while they are cheap. I've seen people post links here recently to GB where they can be had for less than $200....






Link Posted: 1/11/2016 8:14:34 PM EDT
[#5]
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 9:37:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Where are these sub $200 6921 barrels?
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 9:39:07 PM EDT
[#7]
/science
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 9:53:09 PM EDT
[#8]


Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:



Where are these sub $200 6921 barrels?
View Quote
I don't see them now, but there were links posted not long ago in a thread here in tech.





Here is a normal 14.5" for $215z







http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=536522012


 



ETA: here is the link I was referring to. $185




http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=523107593
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 10:04:10 PM EDT
[#9]
Great thread.



I'm glad someone can afford all these toys to run these experiments for us.
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 10:20:28 PM EDT
[#10]
So many people have no clue how good Colt barrels, especially in the SOCOM profile flavor, are.  Glad you posted this over here.  May open some eyes.
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 10:54:12 PM EDT
[#11]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
So many people have no clue how good Colt barrels, especially in the SOCOM profile flavor, are.  Glad you posted this over here.  May open some eyes.
View Quote

It would be interesting to see how they compare to a FN barrel of the same profile.
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 10:57:48 PM EDT
[#12]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
I don't see them now, but there were links posted not long ago in a thread here in tech.

Here is a normal 14.5" for $215z


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=536522012
 

ETA: here is the link I was referring to. $185


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=523107593
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Quoted:
Where are these sub $200 6921 barrels?
I don't see them now, but there were links posted not long ago in a thread here in tech.

Here is a normal 14.5" for $215z


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=536522012
 

ETA: here is the link I was referring to. $185


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=523107593




That $215.00 6921 barrel didn't sell because the reserve price wasn't met. I bid on that barrel previously up to 275 and DID NOT pass the reserve price the seller has it set to, so who knows just how high he has it, in order to sell the barrel. I looked at the seller's other items and saw a ton of stuff over-priced so I am guessing he is trying to get well over $300 for the thing...
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 11:24:07 PM EDT
[#13]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:





It would be interesting to see how they compare to a FN barrel of the same profile.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:



Quoted:

So many people have no clue how good Colt barrels, especially in the SOCOM profile flavor, are.  Glad you posted this over here.  May open some eyes.


It would be interesting to see how they compare to a FN barrel of the same profile.
My money, while I'm questioning saying this, would be on the Colt, but it would be a square off I would love to see.

 
Link Posted: 1/12/2016 12:55:42 AM EDT
[#14]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
The data seem to show that a heavier profile produces a smaller mean radius
View Quote


Probably why shorter barrels are often time more accurate. Less barrel movement.
Link Posted: 1/12/2016 1:26:35 AM EDT
[#15]
Link Posted: 1/12/2016 2:20:23 PM EDT
[#16]
bump
Link Posted: 1/12/2016 10:42:24 PM EDT
[#17]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
I'd like to see these three added to the list too..

Green Mountain 14.5" mid CL

Ballistic Advantage 14.7" mid QPQ


View Quote


It might be interesting to test a "budget barrel" for comparison.
Link Posted: 1/13/2016 10:16:03 PM EDT
[#18]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:


Probably why shorter barrels are often time more accurate. Less barrel movement.

View Quote



10-shot group from a 24" barrled AR-15 . . .













...
Link Posted: 1/13/2016 10:29:04 PM EDT
[#19]
What are the full details of your 55gr blitzking load?
Link Posted: 1/14/2016 10:05:12 PM EDT
[#20]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:

So many people have no clue how good Colt barrels, especially in the SOCOM profile flavor, are.  

View Quote



Indeed.


...
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 12:28:22 AM EDT
[#21]
Colt makes a great barrel.  Alot better than most shooters realize.
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 3:01:21 PM EDT
[#22]
It seems like profile may be the most critical factor in barrel accuracy based on these results.  They seem to go almost perfectly in line from worst to best based on how heavy they are.  Out of curiosity, what is the weight difference between the standard M4 and the SOCOM profile barrel?  Great work as always, thanks for sharing.
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 3:21:14 PM EDT
[#23]
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 4:13:25 PM EDT
[#24]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:

Out of curiosity, what is the weight difference between the standard M4 and the SOCOM profile barrel?  

View Quote



I didn't strip my SOCOM barrel to get an accurate measurement, but IIRC the difference is approximately 3-4 ounces.  

Some additional data on the subject . . .



Colt 6520: 1 pound, 6 ounces.








Centurion Arms 16” “light weight”:  1 pound, 10 ounces.







Colt 6920:  1 pound, 12 ounces.










Noveske 16” N4:  1 pound, 12 ounces.












Colt 6721, 16" HBAR: 2 pounds, 3.4 ounces.







….

Link Posted: 1/15/2016 4:39:52 PM EDT
[#25]
http://www.phase5supply.com/






Colt socom barrels for $185 shipped

and they ship fast.
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 5:19:18 PM EDT
[#26]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:


It might be interesting to test a "budget barrel" for comparison.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd like to see these three added to the list too..

Green Mountain 14.5" mid CL

Ballistic Advantage 14.7" mid QPQ




It might be interesting to test a "budget barrel" for comparison.


FAXON GUNNER

A Faxon 14.5 GUNNER profile might be a good choice for the mix.

It has a Government profile behind the gas block and pencil up front.
Faxon claims it's better than a pure pencil profile barrel at keeping the groups from opening up when it gets hot, while still being light.


How well do the M4, Government and pencil profiles in front of the gas block actually help accuracy vs hurt ( weight)?
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 5:43:24 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:



Accuracy Evaluations of 14.5” AR-15 Barrels

With Permanently Attached Muzzle Devices
View Quote






The unwashed masses in my state are not allowed to own SBRs, therefore the shortest commonly available AR-15 barrels that I can legally posses are 14.5” barrels; with permanently attached muzzle devices that bring the overall length up to the legal length.  For this article, we’ll be looking at four different chrome-lined, NATO chambered, 14.5” AR-15 barrels with permanently attached muzzle devices:



>  Noveske 14.5” "Skinny” barrel



>  Noveske 14.5” N4 "Light” barrel



>  Bravo Company 14.5”  "government profile” barrel



>  Colt 14.5” M4A1 SOCOM barrel





The Noveske barrels evaluated have permanently attached Smith Enterprise Vortex flash-hiders.  The Bravo Company barrel evaluated has a permanently attached BCM A2X flash-hider and the Colt M4A1 SOCOM barrel evaluated has a permanently attached Young Manufacturing flash-hider.



All of the barrels were evaluated utilizing free-float hand-guards and match-grade hand-loaded ammunition.  All testing was conducted from the bench at a distance of 100 yards.



I conducted the accuracy (technically, precision) evaluations of the four different barrels listed above following my usual protocol.  These accuracy evaluations used statistically significant shot-group sizes and every single shot in a fired group was included in the measurements. There was absolutely no use of any group reduction techniques (e.g. fliers, target movement, Butterfly Shots).



The shooting set-up will be described in detail below. As many of the significant variables as was practicable were controlled for.  For these accuracy  evaluations, I used one of my standard match-grade hand-loads topped with Sierra 55 grain BlitzKings.  When fired from my Krieger barreled AR-15s, this load has produced ½ MOA 10-shot groups at 100 yards.
https://app.box.com/shared/static/n5uicctmu8ve7kxmht3zboy2inihdvzq.jpg
All shooting was conducted from a concrete bench-rest from a distance of 100 yards (confirmed with a laser rangefinder.) The barrels used in the evaluations were free-floated. The free-float hand-guards of the rifles rested in a Sinclair Windage Benchrest, while the stock of the rifle rested in a Protektor bunny-ear rear bag. Sighting was accomplished via a Leupold VARI-X III set at 25X magnification and adjusted to be parallax-free at 100 yards. A mirage shade was attached to the objective-bell of the scope. Wind conditions on the shooting range were continuously monitored using a Wind Probe. The set-up was very similar to that pictured below.
https://app.box.com/shared/static/xo4duzdgtp.jpg
The Wind Probe.



https://app.box.com/shared/static/lkg47ptc04.jpg
The Colt M4A1 SOCOM barrel





http://www.box.net/shared/static/dq2orr4r7z.jpg
A genuine Colt M4 SOCOM barrel is 14.5” long and has a medium contour  underneath the handguards (not a heavy barrel profile).  The barrel has a NATO chamber and a 1:7” twist.  The SOCOM barrel has the typical M4 circumferential cut-out located approximately 1.4” forward of the gas block for the attachment of an M203, as well as rectangular shaped cut-outs underneath the handguards on the port and starboard sides of the barrel, located approximately 1.4” aft of the gas block, for the same reason.  The SOCOM barrel employs the carbine length gas system.
http://www.box.net/shared/static/sh1g1d1ph2.jpg
http://www.box.net/shared/static/8m6luc1e9j.jpg
The barrel stamp located just aft of the flash suppressor reads:



            C   MP

5.56 NATO 1/7





http://www.box.net/shared/static/3vibt7g94a.jpg
The barrel has an "F” marked front sight base and a side sling swivel.  The "F” mark is located on the port side of the front sight base.
http://www.box.net/shared/static/vthg89r4uq.jpg
http://www.box.net/shared/static/55o3qsd633.jpg
The SOCOM barrel will have a "date code” located immediately aft of the handguard retaining ring.  The handguard retaining ring itself will also have cut-outs located at 4:30 and 8:30; again for the attachment of an M203.



The barrel will also have a small "O” stamp, that is located at the chamber section of the barrel, indicating a chrome-lined chamber and bore.
http://www.box.net/shared/static/3eoi24l667.jpg
Naturally, the SOCOM barrel will have M4 feedramps and there will be a numeral "4” stamped at the 3 o’clock position on the barrel extension.



http://www.box.net/shared/static/uu0b9h482l.jpg
Here are a couple pics comparing the SOCOM barrel to the standard M4 barrel.
http://www.box.net/shared/static/7c6rn7lhez.jpg
http://www.box.net/shared/static/65p2ey76g9.jpg
The Colt 14.5" M4A1 SOCOM barrel used in this evaluation was free-floated during testing using a Daniel Defense Omega free-float railed handguard.  Using the match-grade hand-loads, I fired three 10-shot groups from the Colt SOCOM barrel at a distance of 100 yards.  Those groups had extreme spreads of:



0.90”

1.02”

0.93”



for a 10-shot group average extreme spread of 0.95”.  All three of the 10-shot groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group.  The mean radius for the composite group was 0.35”.



The smallest 10-shot group.



http://www.box.net/shared/static/r9jgrq14zn.jpg
The 30-shot composite group.



http://www.box.net/shared/static/rbirjox05r.jpg
http://www.box.net/shared/static/pc5x4tu58z.jpg
Noveske 14.5” N4 Light Barrel





http://www.box.net/shared/static/if9xfp9b6u.jpg
For starters, Noveske’s nomenclature of "Light” for this barrel is somewhat misleading/confusing. When most shooters hear the term "light- weight” in regard to AR-15 barrels, they think of the "pencil” barrel profile of the original Colt M16/M16A1 and also the same light-weight profile of the Colt 16” carbine barrel found on the Colt 6520 and 6720.  However, this is not the profile of the Noveske N4 Light barrel.





Colt M16/M16A1 barrel . . .

https://app.box.com/shared/static/x0cts9jy8awkdorf3h1hrbaxbnm55yxs.jpg
Colt 6520 16” light-weight barrel . . .

https://app.box.com/shared/static/9hz8ums473ej2niw3cikna798f0u5uvd.jpg





Noveske’s N4 Light profile was designed to produce better accuracy than a government profile barrel without adding any weight.  The 14.5” and 16” N4 Light barrels have the same weight as Colt 14.5” and 16” government profile barrels.



As you can see in the pics below (16” version pictured), for the N4 Light barrel, Noveske has done away with the next-to-useless M203 (grenade launcher) cut-out found on the Colt government profile barrel.  The N4 profile also has a more evenly distributed barrel diameter (and thus weight) fore and aft of the gas block journal, which moves the center of gravity of the barrel farther aft compared to a government profile barrel.  This all makes for a superbly handling barrel.
Colt 6920 government profile barrel . . .

https://app.box.com/shared/static/j14x5puqrvltgj5qwwj718hhpasopkgd.jpg
Noveske 16” N4 Light barrel . . .

https://app.box.com/shared/static/mmtv78t6idf06vt21qpokip2o0rwpbnz.jpg
The reason that Noveske uses the "Light” nomenclature for their N4 barrels is simply because the N4 barrels are lighter than Noveske’s original  medium contour stainless steel barrels.  





The Noveske 14.5” N4 Light barrel is a cold hammer forged barrel.  It has "M4” feed-ramps and a chrome-lined chamber and bore.  The barrel has a 5.56mm NATO chamber and a 1:7” twist and has been high-pressure/magnetic particle tested; as the barrel stamp indicates.  Contrary to erroneous Internet reports, the N4 barrel does not have polygonal rifling.





The barrel stamp . . .

https://app.box.com/shared/static/nnef26zvhhneds44z1tgcut3kec4ybx0.jpg
The Noveske 14.5” N4 Light barrel used in this evaluation was free-floated during testing using a Larue Tactical free-float railed handguard.   Three 10-shot groups fired from 100 yards using match grade hand-loads had extreme spreads of:



1.029”

1.360”

1.275”



for a 10-shot group average of 1.22”.  As above, I over-layed the three 10-shot groups on each other using RSI Shooting lab to form a 30-shot composite group. The mean radius for that composite group was 0.37”.
…..
Bravo Company 14.5” Barrel



https://app.box.com/shared/static/vb0ji49326ote5fkp77zanujjjeqx04v.jpg
This is the cold hammer forged (BFH) version of Bravo Company’s 14.5” barrel with a mid-length gas system.  As can be seen in the pic above, this barrel has a government profile.  This is a chrome-lined, NATO chambered barrel with a 1:7” twist.  Bravo Company states that these barrels have been high-pressure/magnetic particle tested according to the current mil-spec.



The Bravo Company 14.5” barrel used in this evaluation was free-floated during testing using a Daniel Defense Omega free-float railed handguard.



Three, 10-shot groups of the match-grade hand-loads were fired in a row from the Bravo Company 14.5” barrel from a distance of 100 yards with the resulting extreme spreads:



1.58”

1.96”

1.50”



for an average 10-shot group extreme spread of 1.68”.  The three, 10-shot groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group.  The mean radius of the 30-shot composite group was 0.49”
The smallest 10-shot group . . .



https://app.box.com/shared/static/v12ees2v20rebztan19154kxxo1why9o.jpg
The 30-shot composite group . . .



https://app.box.com/shared/static/ffljsglzv8wb6ron1oipq8kdlc7ncuwm.jpg
….
Noveske 14.5” "Skinny” Barrel



https://app.box.com/shared/static/swzl6b35tj22b77g98516hsg6s2wfc9d.jpg





Noveske’s "Skinny” barrel is their version of the light-weight "pencil” profile barrel.  This barrel is a cold hammer forged barrel.  It has "M4” feed-ramps and a chrome-lined chamber and bore.  The barrel has a 5.56mm NATO chamber and a 1:7” twist and has been high-pressure/magnetic particle tested.  The barrel has traditional rifling.





The Novekse 14.5” "Skinny” barrel was tested while wearing a Centurion free-float rail.  For this barrel, I fired eight 10-shot groups in a row from the bench at a distance of 100 yards using the match-grade hand-loads.  The extreme spreads for those eight groups were as follows:



1.78”

1.89”

1.68”

1.71”

1.81”

2.12”

1.60”

1.84”



for an average extreme spread of 1.8” and a composite mean radius of 0.55”.
…..





Some additional data for comparison.  (All barrels were free-floated during testing.)





https://app.box.com/shared/static/zy0a61s0qrl0aui5rtk1bfctrg4fqg05.jpg
.....

I use that last chart all the time when people say Colt barrels suck

 
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 9:03:42 PM EDT
[#28]
Excellent thread Andrew Molon. Thanks for taking the time to put it together. Interesting results.

Link Posted: 1/15/2016 9:05:49 PM EDT
[#29]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:

Excellent thread Andrew.

View Quote


Who the hell is Andrew?
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 9:34:11 PM EDT
[#30]
Maybe he thinks you are 87GN's troll account.
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 11:35:29 PM EDT
[#31]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:


Who the hell is Andrew?
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Quoted:

Excellent thread Andrew.



Who the hell is Andrew?



Sorry for the worthless post but, this made me LOL...
Link Posted: 1/15/2016 11:56:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:


Who the hell is Andrew?
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Quoted:

Excellent thread Andrew.



Who the hell is Andrew?



Good stuff, Molon. I will keep on buying colt.
Link Posted: 1/16/2016 12:11:53 AM EDT
[#33]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:



Good stuff, Molon Uncle Bob. I will keep on buying colt.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

Excellent thread Andrew.



Who the hell is Andrew?



Good stuff, Molon Uncle Bob. I will keep on buying colt.


FIFY
Link Posted: 1/16/2016 1:48:40 AM EDT
[#34]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:


Who the hell is Andrew?
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Quoted:

Excellent thread Andrew.



Who the hell is Andrew?


Lol! My bad. Been a long time since I've seen you post. I did mix you up with 87GN. Sorry about that. Again excellent thread though.
Link Posted: 1/16/2016 3:47:46 AM EDT
[#35]
Link Posted: 1/16/2016 9:47:26 AM EDT
[#36]
Great tests Molon!

I'd like to see if the BCM counterpart of the Colt SOCOM produces similar results.
Link Posted: 1/17/2016 3:07:53 PM EDT
[#37]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:


Lol! My bad. Been a long time since I've seen you post. I did mix you up with 87GN. Sorry about that. Again excellent thread though.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

Excellent thread Andrew.



Who the hell is Andrew?


Lol! My bad. Been a long time since I've seen you post. I did mix you up with 87GN. Sorry about that. Again excellent thread though.



No problemo.  


...
Link Posted: 1/20/2016 2:00:40 AM EDT
[#38]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:

Excellent thread Andrew Molon. Thanks for taking the time to put it together. Interesting results.

View Quote


Nice edit.


...
Link Posted: 1/20/2016 5:11:55 AM EDT
[#39]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
So many people have no clue how good Colt barrels, especially in the SOCOM profile flavor, are.  Glad you posted this over here.  May open some eyes.
View Quote


I was surprised at what I could get out of a 6920 with decent ammo and optics.
Link Posted: 1/20/2016 3:30:53 PM EDT
[#40]
Excellent info. Thanks.
Link Posted: 1/22/2016 10:38:00 PM EDT
[#41]
I think a budget barrel thread would be VERY popular. Sub $200 barrels maybe?

16" and 18" barrels from AR Performance and Green Mountain get a lot of accuracy claims. I'd love to see if they actually perform in a more controlled environment.

Green Mountain's GM-M8 (Chrome lined) and GM-M37 (Stainless)

AR Perf's 16" 5.56 5R Stainless Scout barrel, Wylde chamber 1/2-28
16" 5.56 5R Scout barrel, Wylde chamber 1/2-28


On Topic: I am continually impressed with the Colt HBAR accuracy, and I kick myself for not buying one of their 6700s from CDNN last year.




Link Posted: 1/23/2016 8:28:57 PM EDT
[#42]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:

I think a budget barrel thread would be VERY popular. Sub $200 barrels maybe?

View Quote


If time allows this summer, I'll try to put a "budget barrel" on The List.
Link Posted: 1/24/2016 11:54:26 AM EDT
[#43]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:

Excellent info. Thanks.

View Quote



Da nada.



....
Link Posted: 1/24/2016 12:30:59 PM EDT
[#44]
those tests are why I prefer normal or heavier contour barrels, I prefer sub MOA accuracy and a little more weight to a 1.5MOA+ light weight barrel. Probably an OCD thing for me that I have to have it as accurate as possible. Im looking into a lightweight build but I cant bring myself to get a pencil profile etc barrel for one. Maybe a lightweight build minus lightweight barrel. I know 1-2 MOA is still very good as AK's can be 3+ but like I said, Probably an ocd thing for me.
Link Posted: 1/25/2016 9:45:01 PM EDT
[#45]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:


If time allows this summer, I'll try to put a "budget barrel" on The List.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Quoted:

I think a budget barrel thread would be VERY popular. Sub $200 barrels maybe?



If time allows this summer, I'll try to put a "budget barrel" on The List.


Thank you. I have a few friends that build low buck ARs that ask me what the most accurate / least expensive barrel they can buy is and I usually offer up Green Mountain if nothing else is on sale, with the caveat that I have no idea how good it is, just going on word-of-internet.
Link Posted: 1/26/2016 11:12:41 PM EDT
[#46]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Just for giggles, here is data from my Daniel Defense 14.5 pencil barrel, pinned by ADCO, not free-floated

http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/onehalfmvsquared/hobby/LW%20barrel%20test/2715LWtestDD14552grand69gr_zpse83caebc.jpg





View Quote



Have you shot the 52 grain Black Hills ammunition from any of your other barrels?

...
Link Posted: 1/26/2016 11:34:12 PM EDT
[#47]
Another "Thanks" Molon.
Link Posted: 1/27/2016 6:58:40 AM EDT
[#48]
Link Posted: 1/29/2016 11:54:11 PM EDT
[#49]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:

Another "Thanks" Molon.

View Quote



De rien.


...
Link Posted: 2/1/2016 4:07:52 PM EDT
[#50]
Was just searching through some of the groups I shot with my Green Mountain 14.5" M4 profile 1/6 twist barrel and found this group below, using LC M193:







Not too shabby with M193. This is the only group I shot though.






Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Page AR-15 » AR Discussions
AR Sponsor: bravocompany
Close Join Our Mail List to Stay Up To Date! Win a FREE Membership!

Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!

You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.


By signing up you agree to our User Agreement. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win.
Top Top