Quoted: To start, I'm no one special - not LEO, not MIL, not GOV - just your standard issue private citizen with a few fire sticks. Anyway, I have a Leupold CQ/T attached to an ARMS #12 dual throw lever mount, which in turn lives on my Dissy flattop upper. A couple of weeks back, I noticed I could slide the mount back and forth between the recoil lugs on the upper rail. It took a little effort, but I could slide the mount. And this was after maybe a dozen mounts/dismounts on a #12 that was less than 4 months old. So, I sent an email to ARMS, thinking what's the worst that could happen. I didn't expect much, but to my surprise got an email back from ARMS within a day. Two days later, I had shipped my #12 mount back to ARMS for testing. Today, a week later, I'm looking at a brand new #12 mount that ARMS sent to me with no questions asked. I know LT gets alot of credit for their customer service, but how cool is that! Just wanted to share a positive story about the folks at ARMS.

I would expect them to replace a defective product. Did you mount it and see if there is any shift in the new one? If not, mount and unmount the levers 10 times and then see if they move.


C4

Quoted: Quoted: I would expect them to replace a defective product. I'm surprised anyone even uses ARMS anymore. Hasn't he heard that people will get hurt and babies will die if he relies on ARMS? If not, I'm sure he'll be hearing that hogwash soon.

I agree with ya! I am not sure why anyone uses ARMS products either (to each their own I guess). Its really no big deal if the lever breaks on your #22M68/#19S and your sitting on the one way range. It is a whole different ballgame when your on the two way range.


C4

Quoted: Quoted: It is a whole different ballgame when your on the two way range. You ever been on the "two way range"?

Yes I have, but not in any war. I would prefer to never again hear the ballistic crack of a round as it passes by my melon.

I would also say that ANY Joe CIVY has the opportunity to get onto the two way range here in the US (just look at New Orleans). Natural disasters bring out the worst in people and you and your gear had better be ready to defend your family and property. This is why it is important to buy the most reliable gear you can afford and take as much training as you can.


C4

vmpglenn,
Good post. And very brave considering you knew what would happen.

I am just glad that we choose to sell ARMS products because we belive they are good quality and they can be counted to do the job day in and day out. I feel sorry for those poor dealers who are FORCED to list it on their website even they they will NEVER try to sell it nor are they an AUTHORIZED dealer.

I am also happy to see ARMS take care of you. Anything man made can have a problem. What we like to see is a manufacturer that stands behind their products. This is especaily important when that manufacturer builds hundreds of thousands of pieces for use by military and law enforcment all over the world. Nice to know that you count too!
I guess that is why companies like Aimpoint, Bushmaster, Crimson Trace, Laser Devices, Pentagon, Samson, Stag Arms, Surefire and others choose ARMS products to sell with their own.

I am sure "someone" will be here soon to set me straight. Here, I'll post it for you.

ARMS is the devil and their evil dealers are driving the bus on the highway to hell.


Feel free to bash in another thread now.


TalonArms.com       an AUTHORIZED ARMS dealer
For anyone who wants to buy that icky ARMS stuff.

Quoted: vmpglenn, Good post. And very brave considering you knew what would happen. I am just glad that we choose to sell ARMS products because we belive they are good quality and they can be counted to do the job day in and day out. I feel sorry for those poor dealers who are FORCED to list it on their website even they they will NEVER try to sell it nor are they an AUTHORIZED dealer. I am also happy to see ARMS take care of you. Anything man made can have a problem. What we like to see is a manufacturer that stands behind their products. This is especaily important when that manufacturer builds hundreds of thousands of pieces for use by military and law enforcment all over the world. Nice to know that you count too! I guess that is why companies like Aimpoint, Bushmaster, Crimson Trace, Laser Devices, Pentagon, Samson, Stag Arms, Surefire and others choose ARMS products to sell with their own. I am sure "someone" will be here soon to set me straight. Here, I'll post it for you. ARMS is the devil and their evil dealers are driving the bus on the highway to hell. Feel free to bash in another thread now. TalonArms.com       an AUTHORIZED ARMS dealer For anyone who wants to buy that icky ARMS stuff.

3rdtk is that you???   You should really stop reading those IM's that Dick is sending you.

What is really funny is dealers that "pretend" to love ARMS products and think they are the best, but yet ask LaRue Tactical for a dealer account.  I believe LaRue post-poned handing you the LT dealership that you requested...perhaps your wait just got longer.


C4

Quoted: Quoted: vmpglenn, Good post. And very brave considering you knew what would happen. I am just glad that we choose to sell ARMS products because we belive they are good quality and they can be counted to do the job day in and day out. I feel sorry for those poor dealers who are FORCED to list it on their website even they they will NEVER try to sell it nor are they an AUTHORIZED dealer. I am also happy to see ARMS take care of you. Anything man made can have a problem. What we like to see is a manufacturer that stands behind their products. This is especaily important when that manufacturer builds hundreds of thousands of pieces for use by military and law enforcment all over the world. Nice to know that you count too! I guess that is why companies like Aimpoint, Bushmaster, Crimson Trace, Laser Devices, Pentagon, Samson, Stag Arms, Surefire and others choose ARMS products to sell with their own. I am sure "someone" will be here soon to set me straight. Here, I'll post it for you. ARMS is the devil and their evil dealers are driving the bus on the highway to hell. Feel free to bash in another thread now. TalonArms.com       an AUTHORIZED ARMS dealer For anyone who wants to buy that icky ARMS stuff. Wow, a common sense approach from a REAL dealer... It's great to know poeple have recognized the pimps among us.

Real dealer huh? Good one! You sure got me with that comment. I always like the pimp comment as well.


C4

Quoted: Grant,   You have become the one you despise the most.

LOL, truth be told I despise no one. If anything I find them entertaining. I am not one of those types that get's upset over what people say about me on the internet.

Now what DOES bother me are liars and or people that hide behind fake screen names to bad mouth other companies.

So let's back up several years and set the record straight so you understand where I am coming from. I have been an ARMS dealer for many years (buying directly from ARMS and from their AUTHORIZED Distributors). I have used (mounted on my own personal weapon) just about EVERY ARMS products known to man. I have also sold a large amount of ARMS products and made Dick S. a good chunk of money.

I have had my personal ARMS mounts become loose on my rail, chew through the anodizing and not hold zero. I had no problem with this and just kept on going becuase I THOUGHT this was normal and there really wasn't any other options out there (as far as I was concerned).

So one day I am reading the technical forums and see this pic posted by SMGLee of a mount with a lever on it. I thought it looked interesting and called up Mr. LaRue and discussed his product. He sent me one for review and I was VERY impressed with it. About a month or so later I become a LT dealer.

About this same time a board member (MCGrubbs) got some of LT's products and began testing them out. He found out that they held zero and that you could adjust the lever to match your rail (as all rails deviate some in size). As he discovered the virtues of LT products he began to share his new find with the board (thinking he was doing them a service). He was ridiculed and called all sorts of not so nice names for simply showing a new product. It is funny to me that the folks on here that think they are being persecuted for liking ARMS products were some of the loudest hecklers towards Monty. As they say "what goes around comes around!"

So to make a long story short, ARMS had and held the market for the longest time. There were the ONLY option for many. LaRue Tactical has appeared on the scene (mostly because of the Military's request) and is offering people a choice in throw levers. It is a GREAT thing to have choices and this is why I don't understand all the hatred from the ARMS faithful. They should be thrilled that someone else is trying to build a better mouse trap. Imagine if we just had Aimpoints and no other optics to choose from. Wouldn't that suck???

I sell a good many ARMS products and think they are a good choice, but I PERSONALLY put them behind LT in quality and capablility. This is of course just my opinion (based on years of experience) and have ZERO problem if people either disagree or don't like what I have to say. I am always interested in debating the technical merits of each companies products (as I sell and use both).



C4

Quoted: Quoted: vmpglenn, Good post. And very brave considering you knew what would happen. I am just glad that we choose to sell ARMS products because we belive they are good quality and they can be counted to do the job day in and day out. I feel sorry for those poor dealers who are FORCED to list it on their website even they they will NEVER try to sell it nor are they an AUTHORIZED dealer. I am also happy to see ARMS take care of you. Anything man made can have a problem. What we like to see is a manufacturer that stands behind their products. This is especaily important when that manufacturer builds hundreds of thousands of pieces for use by military and law enforcment all over the world. Nice to know that you count too! I guess that is why companies like Aimpoint, Bushmaster, Crimson Trace, Laser Devices, Pentagon, Samson, Stag Arms, Surefire and others choose ARMS products to sell with their own. I am sure "someone" will be here soon to set me straight. Here, I'll post it for you. ARMS is the devil and their evil dealers are driving the bus on the highway to hell. Feel free to bash in another thread now. TalonArms.com       an AUTHORIZED ARMS dealer For anyone who wants to buy that icky ARMS stuff. I LOVE ARMS PRODUCTS!   I'm serious.

Be proud! Stand up and shout it out!!!


C4

Quoted: Quoted: Real dealer huh? Good one! You sure got me with that comment. C4 I can see poo flinging but that is a pretty low blow.  One thing I have learned as a professional is that nomatter what you think, you NEVER directly point a finger at your competition, nomatter what you think. I'm glad that ARMS took care of you, vmpglenn!  It's good to see that some businesses out there stand behind what they build and still honor customer service. Poo flinging in jest is one thing, but comments like the one above will kill customers for you C4, nomatter if your product is better, equal, or lesser.

Uhhh, go back and re-read my friend. I never made the comment that you think I did. ipschoser1 was TRYING to imply that I am not a "real" dealer.



C4

Yeah, there's a thread about ARMS. It's a real surprise how this turns out...

Quoted: What is really funny is dealers that "pretend" to love ARMS products and think they are the best, but yet ask LaRue Tactical for a dealer account.  I believe LaRue post-poned handing you the LT dealership that you requested...perhaps your wait just got longer. C4

I cant believe this statement. At the store where I work I'd love to be a dealer for both. To offer my customers among the best choices for their needs. But if I sell and like some ARMS stuff and also see the quality of LaRue, I may have problems becoming a LaRue dealer? I cant believe Mark LaRue would do business like this.