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Posted: 9/13/2005 10:31:40 AM EDT
Im wanting a BATTLE RIFLE in .308. I was thinking I wanted a AR, as I am absolutly in love with the AR platform (I have an A2 20''), but I've been reading that the AR is not strong enough to take the abuse that a BATTLE RIFLE needs to be able to withstand. Im not wanting to believe this - - like I said, I am absolutly in love with the AR platform. So, is this the case ??

If this is the case, the next rifle on the list is a full size M1A. Does anyone have a prefrence between the two for use as a BATTLE RIFLE ?? Why?? As I cant seem to stop myself from buying more and more guns, most likly I will end up owning (at least) 1 of each. But seeing as how my funds are a bit strained right now and I can only attempt getting one or the other, Id prefur to get the one that best fits the discription of a BATTLE RIFLE !!

Did I mention that I LOVE THE AR PLATFORM ??h=85%

A handgun is merely a weapon used to fight your way back to your rifle - - which you shouldn't have left behind.
- Boston T. Party -

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:36:59 AM EDT
IMHO, I would go with the M1A if you already had an AR. If you plan on adding to your collection in the future, you can get another AR then. It's nice to "vary the flock" from time to time.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:40:08 AM EDT
M1A

Add a poll.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:45:18 AM EDT
what are the advantages/disadvantages of each?

mounting,weight,handling,accurac­y,realiablity,etc
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:54:42 AM EDT
If you stay with the STOCK rifle, and don't try to trick it out with scopes/lights/bedding/triggers/etc., go with the M1A. If you're a junky with accessories, go with the AR.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:57:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2005 10:58:16 AM EDT by HardShell]
I'm currently going through the same decision-making process myself: similar thread
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 11:03:08 AM EDT
I'd definately go M1A...although I don't have an M1A as of yet I will certaintly be getting one. You might want to think about the SOCOM 16...put a Eotech holo sight on there....ooo yeah!...now thats a sweet battle rifle.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 11:13:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2005 11:14:10 AM EDT by olds442tyguy]
My 7.62 NATO list goes like so.

-FAL
-M14
-AR10
-HK91
-Springfield M1A

If I were looking for a tackdriver that I could deck out with all of the latest goodies, AR10 no doubt. If I were looking for utter reliability, the FAL. If I were looking for a mix of both, the M14. If I were looking for good reliability and bragging rights, an HK91. If I couldn't find anything else, a Springfield M1A. YMMV.

Honestly, I'd probably go for a M14. A good forged receiver build comes at a significant price, but I wouldn't hesitate to drop the extra cash on one if I had it.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 3:42:09 PM EDT
No contest....AR-10 first and then later get an M1A.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 3:45:36 PM EDT
I'm pretty sure the AR-15 is a "BATTLE RIFLE!", but if you want a .308 "BATTLE RIFLE!" I'd go with the M1A.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 3:48:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By walrus:
I'm pretty sure the AR-15 is a "BATTLE RIFLE!", but if you want a .308 "BATTLE RIFLE!" I'd go with the M1A.



+1
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 3:51:03 PM EDT
I vote for a Remington 700. The semi-autos seem to be ammo burners for me, and accurate ammo for the .308 isn't so cheap. Heck, even with my Garand I was single loading.

The bolt gun cycles fast enough for me, and burns match ammo slow enough that it is tolerable in the pocketbook.


However, if it must be a semi, go with the M1A, and try to buy a Fulton Armory or an older real GI type gun.

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 3:55:22 PM EDT
With out a doubt, The Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM 16 Rifle...



7.62mm NATO (.308 win.) Semi-Auto Rifle, Black Fiberglass Stock, 16.25" Barrel, High-Efficiency Muzzle Break, Front XS Post With Tritium Insert, Rear Enlarged Military Aperture With MOA Adjustments, 10 Round Box Magazine...
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 4:09:49 PM EDT
I have shot a full size M1A and a SOCOM16. They are good rifles, but I still like my AR10 better. It is according to your own preference. I prefer the AR10. YMMV.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 4:17:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2005 4:20:13 PM EDT by Siglite]
Go to a gunstore that has both and handle both and buy the one you like better. OR, you could just get both.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 4:29:37 PM EDT
BOTH!!



M1A first
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 4:46:48 PM EDT
M1A all the way, bro.

I've had both an Armalite AR10 & a Springfield M1A (both carbines) & would only trust my life to the latter of the two. Had mucho problems w/ the '10, had them somewhat fixed & sold it to a friend/collector. The M1A will eat anything I feed it & I just love the profile. The M4gery will accomplish 90% of what I'd need a rifle for, but if I could only grab one, it's the bush rifle. YMMV
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 5:33:08 PM EDT
Got both. The M1A has NEVER had a hiccup EVER, no matter what I put in the chamber.

The AR10, however, is a fag. VERY finicky. Should be on the firearm version of "Queer Eye". However, I bought it in a private sale, meaning it has no paper associated with it with MY name anywhere near it. It'll be a keeper, as much of a pink panty wearer it is...

Otherwise, I would've gotten rid of the thing and bought another M1A.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:33:14 AM EDT
BTT to help get the poll rolling...
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:37:08 AM EDT
M1A.

M14's are cool

WIZZO
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:41:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 11:42:49 AM EDT by donovan007007]
Get the M1A


turn this...............


Into this...................




Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:46:15 AM EDT
I would want this.






SR-25
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:51:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By donovan007007:
Get the M1A


turn this...............
www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/AA9626Large.jpg

Into this...................
img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/5906TswBaby/troyM1a2.jpg

i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/donovan007007/SOPMODlg.jpg

www.fulton-armory.com/Sage_PreBan_50.jpg



You just made my mouth water.

Whats the 411 in the tricked out stock? who makes it, how much etc, etc
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:53:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tarfu64:
Got both. The M1A has NEVER had a hiccup EVER, no matter what I put in the chamber.

The AR10, however, is a fag. VERY finicky. Should be on the firearm version of "Queer Eye". However, I bought it in a private sale, meaning it has no paper associated with it with MY name anywhere near it. It'll be a keeper, as much of a pink panty wearer it is...

Otherwise, I would've gotten rid of the thing and bought another M1A.



what kind of AR10 do you have? Bushy or Armalite?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:54:00 AM EDT
I've had a Springfield M1A NM model for a long time but I would like to get an AR-10 or SR-25.


AR3
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:03:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 12:04:53 PM EDT by AR15KittyKat]
I was in your shoes, did some hardcore research with these criterias being top on my list and these order:

reliability
robust design
accuracy
ergonomics
price.


I chose an M1A Scout and converted to an M1A Sage EBR, after 500rds of 100% flawless performance, I am so happy w/ my choice.

gun porn

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:34:08 PM EDT
so hows about a pole - - seems like the M1As are gunna have it
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:43:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 12:44:16 PM EDT by HardShell]

Originally Posted By donovan007007:
Get the M1A

turn this...............
www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/AA9626Large.jpg

Into this...................
img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/5906TswBaby/troyM1a2.jpg

i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/donovan007007/SOPMODlg.jpg

www.fulton-armory.com/Sage_PreBan_50.jpg




All due respect to the bells-and-whistles crowd, the top image you posted (plain SOCOM 16) appeals to me (YMMV) much more than the others you posted...

To each his own.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:48:34 PM EDT
One nice thing about haveing a AR-15 and then a AR-10 type. Is that a lot of the springs etc. that might brake and accsories will interchange.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 1:35:09 PM EDT
I have no experience with the M1A, but I bought a standard A2 style Armalite AR-10 4 or so years ago and have had zero problems with it. I have used it in service rifle match shooting and just sport shooting and it functions fine no matter what I have done with it.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 1:42:15 PM EDT
M1A is the battle rifle your looking for.

Max
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:46:00 PM EDT
I HAD an AR10A2 and sold it after mucho problemelos. I now still have the M1A and the FAL. Both are utterly reliable, something my AR10 NEVER was, YMMV, mine didn't. The M1A is a joy, I have had a LOT of fun shooting it at 600 yards in highpower competitions. Bottom line, my AR10A2 sucked bigtime.

Bill
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:13:05 PM EDT
M1A-you cannot go wrong
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:17:14 PM EDT
I'd love both but if I had to pick it would be the 16 inch Socom M1A
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:25:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 9:27:08 AM EDT by SP10]
Battle rifle? Get the M1A, preferably USGI parts and barrel.

Here is a thread started by a one time Mod in the AR10 forum:
turned out a bit different than expected!. Much angst here

Here is a thread I started around the same time over 90% trust their M1As

Polls no longer show, but results are mentioned in the threads.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:34:47 AM EDT
M1A Scout
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 11:09:38 AM EDT
I'm waiting until Leitner-Wise makes a gas piston AR-10! THEN I'll get mine! Until then, I'll stick with the M1A.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 11:13:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 11:14:12 AM EDT by Hokie]
If the key word is "Battle" I'd drop the AR10 all together and go with an M1A or FAL.

The Socom or Scout is a great idea. Although I've never been a fan of the 308 in anything less than a 20" barrel.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 3:16:10 PM EDT
I went the SR-25 route
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 4:00:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 4:01:24 PM EDT by SP10]

Originally Posted By 02Overlander:
I went the SR-25 route



How many rounds through it, how often do you use it, and what frequency between cleanings? What type of ammo used? How many spare parts on hand? Most guys who own them don't seem to use them very hard, me included. I don't think twice about flopping down in the dirt with my M1As, but the SR......

I have an SR-25 heavy match which I use as my precision rifle. Very accurate gun, but chambered for 168 gr match ammo only. The hardest I have used it is ~260 rds in 2 days during a precision rifle class this past July. I usually don't run much more than 20 satisfying rounds through it per range trip, and clean it after each use. I'll run my M1As a 1,000 rounds or so before cleaning the rifle thoroughly (gas system, remove op rod, etc). I doubt the SR would like that very much.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=13&t=373739
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 4:17:22 PM EDT
M1A, FAL, AR10.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:17:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 5:17:32 PM EDT by 02Overlander]

Originally Posted By SP10:

Originally Posted By 02Overlander:
I went the SR-25 route



How many rounds through it, how often do you use it, and what frequency between cleanings? What type of ammo used? How many spare parts on hand? Most guys who own them don't seem to use them very hard, me included. I don't think twice about flopping down in the dirt with my M1As, but the SR......

I have an SR-25 heavy match which I use as my precision rifle. Very accurate gun, but chambered for 168 gr match ammo only. The hardest I have used it is ~260 rds in 2 days during a precision rifle class this past July. I usually don't run much more than 20 satisfying rounds through it per range trip, and clean it after each use. I'll run my M1As a 1,000 rounds or so before cleaning the rifle thoroughly (gas system, remove op rod, etc). I doubt the SR would like that very much.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=13&t=373739



It's do to arrive at my FFL tommorrow. Range report to come. I'm pulling the 3.5x10 MKIV off and mounting a 6.5x20 Illuminated MKIV in itps place.

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:17:27 PM EDT
Neither....Get a DSA inc. SA58...Go with the best...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:47:20 PM EDT
Go forged with GI parts or go home. If you have the extra cash, shell it out for a good M14 build that uses forged parts and GI parts. I love Springer 1911's, but I'd never consider one of their M1A's at that price.

If you are looking at specific rifles, I'd say a Fulton Armory forged receiver M14 build, a DSA FAL, or an SR25.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:07:03 PM EDT
Forged LRB M14 w/USGI parts

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/GLG20/fa4e4a2c.jpg

GLG20


and Fultons are not forged.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:19:10 PM EDT
I would get the AR-10. Here's why: I can get other uppers for it in different calibers, such as .270 WSM, 7mm WSM, and .300 WSM. They're made by several different companies. I've always wanted an M1-A in .300 WSM, since the caliber came out, but the AR crowd did it first.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:24:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:05:49 PM EDT
When Bushmaster starts chrome lining BAR10s Ill get one of those.I have a 14 clone that was an M14S chinese model...real cheap $500 than a local smith who speacializes in that rifle sent out the receiver to be heat treated harder and refinished after milling out the receiver to take a GI bolt and then rebuilt it with a GI parts kit for $1000,that was 10 years ago...been running like a champ ever since...winchester barrel and trigger group,TRW bolt and the rest original springfield armory.Chinese rifles are a good alternative because the receivers are forged.LRB and Fulton are great just pricey.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:43:14 PM EDT
I love my M1A. I have had no problems with at all. I now have on order a FAL from DSA. I can't wait to get it. I would say past on the AR-10 seems over priced compared to the FAL & M1A.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 5:41:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 02Overlander:

It's do to arrive at my FFL tommorrow. Range report to come. I'm pulling the 3.5x10 MKIV off and mounting a 6.5x20 Illuminated MKIV in itps place.



Very nice Please post a range report when you are able. I'd love to see how it shoots. The only thing I don't like about my SR is the $ of the rifle and spare parts cost and availability-which is probably why most guys who own them don't shoot them very much

Link Posted: 9/16/2005 6:50:58 PM EDT
Mark 11 Mod 0.......nuff said
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