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Posted: 6/25/2012 1:02:58 PM EDT
| I am getting my first AR-15, and along with some others, I am looking at the ddm4, KAC SR15, and lmt mrp. Which of these rifles are the best for the price? I was also considering getting an m1a with the troy mcs kit or ACR. How would these stack up to the rifles I just mentioned in reliability and performance. Being a .308, I would hope that the m1a can reach out to longer ranges like 800 yds, correct? Also, would a chassis like the archangel or troy ones actually improve accuracy or are they more for looks and tactical-ness. |
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For the AR choices you cant go wrong with either of those 3..if your new to the platform take a class and see what others use or works well before taking the plunge and buying add ons you may later discard.
I dont like SA M1As for a few reasons..I just dont like cast steel receivers for that platform or casting period steel or aluminum. forgings are much stronger although some who cast like Ruger do a good job its just me.For the price of an SAI rifle you could go $500 more and get an LRB made M14 type those are the best I have one of those with a GI barrel and a late model polytech thats had a GI bolt conversion. .308 packs more punch at longer ranges I would get both if you can.Keep the ARs simple and good quality and get a bck up 2 is one you know and get an M14 type also. |
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I am getting my first AR-15, and along with some others, I am looking at the ddm4, KAC SR15, and lmt mrp. Which of these rifles are the best for the price? I was also considering getting an m1a with the troy mcs kit or ACR. How would these stack up to the rifles I just mentioned in reliability and performance. Being a .308, I would hope that the m1a can reach out to longer ranges like 800 yds, correct? Also, would a chassis like the archangel or troy ones actually improve accuracy or are they more for looks and tactical-ness. Any of those three ARs you mentioned would be a great choice. Something to keep in mind with the SR15 and MRP is that they do have proprietary parts (the bolt, barrel extension (?) and lower receiver parts in the case of the KAC, the barrel in the case of the MRP) but shouldn't be considered a shortcoming given the overall quality of the rifles. Just my opinion here, but I would choose the MRP. As for the M1A... I think you're barking up the wrong tree if you want precision at 800 yards. Accurizing an M1A is a PITA and costly. I notice you're in CA, which would also limit your choices for some of the aftermarket stocks you mentioned you were interested in. |
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Best for the price? That's a tough question. The DD is substantially cheaper than the KAC, but has fewer features as well. The MRP is somewhere in the middle.
I have an M1A in an EBR chassis. I can't speak to the Troy or Archangel. Yes, the chassis improved its consistency. You gotta know, though, that there is almost $4000 dollars in that rifle and its not one of the super-mega-match-feathers. Everything about it is expensive and I don't think it will ever be as accurate as some of my ARs. My M1A is cool and I love it, but there are so many other guns to get before I would recommend one. |
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So I looked up that Archangel stock. Wow. As if I needed more reasons not to give Promag my money.
If you didn't know, OP, for years now, there has been a stock for the M14 available called the JAE-100. Does it look familiar? http://www.jallenenterprises.com/jae100g3_overview.htm |
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As for the M1A... I think you're barking up the wrong tree if you want precision at 800 yards. Accurizing an M1A is a PITA and costly. I notice you're in CA, which would also limit your choices for some of the aftermarket stocks you mentioned you were interested in. What stocks would it limit, why? The troy mcs is the one I am looking at mainly as I love the look. Also, I have been shooting for over a year now, and know the lower reciever of an AR well and the barrel assembly I know less about. Because the Knights lower parts are proprietary, that would mean that buying a second upper would be impossible (unless it was knights obviously). I think I will not go with the m1a yet, maybe at xmas, but I would still like to know what chassises are illegal. Any input on the ACR vs AR? |
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Because the Knights lower parts are proprietary, that would mean that buying a second upper would be impossible (unless it was knights obviously). No, no, the proprietary parts in an SR15E3 are the barrel extension and in the BCG. There is nothing limiting what upper or lower you could use. |
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As for the M1A... I think you're barking up the wrong tree if you want precision at 800 yards. Accurizing an M1A is a PITA and costly. I notice you're in CA, which would also limit your choices for some of the aftermarket stocks you mentioned you were interested in. What stocks would it limit, why? The troy mcs is the one I am looking at mainly as I love the look. Also, I have been shooting for over a year now, and know the lower reciever of an AR well and the barrel assembly I know less about. Because the Knights lower parts are proprietary, that would mean that buying a second upper would be impossible (unless it was knights obviously). I think I will not go with the m1a yet, maybe at xmas, but I would still like to know what chassises are illegal. Any input on the ACR vs AR? By putting a semi-auto M1A with a detachable magazine in a stock that has "a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously below the action" you are making an "Assault Weapon" in the eyes of the CA DOJ. It would behoove you to ask around the California Hometown Forum to get acquainted with some of your local shooters and the particulars of CA law as it pertains to what is/is not an AW. <–––– former Californian 
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Personally, even though its the most expensive of the AR's, I would go with the SR-15. As stated the only proprietary thing about it are the bolt (designated as the E3 Bolt) and the barrel extension which it is mated to. They are expensive to replace, I believe on the order of a couple hundred bucks for a new bolt, however, I have yet to hear of anyone breaking one.
The SR15 has to be one of the most balanced and refined rifles I have ever got to handle. I can't really place my finger on it, but shooting one, everything just feels like it is the utmost in quality. |
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Can you shoot well enough to use the rifle at 800 yards? Can you even find a place to shoot with that range? ( I'd have to drive for 3 hours), if yes then get a 308 bolt gun and skip the m1a for previous given reasons. If no start with an ar and get good.
The rifles mentioned are far and away better then the acr, the non-Adaptive no-Combat Rifle is a bucket of problems. |
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Can you shoot well enough to use the rifle at 800 yards? Can you even find a place to shoot with that range? ( I'd have to drive for 3 hours), if yes then get a 308 bolt gun and skip the m1a for previous given reasons. If no start with an ar and get good. The rifles mentioned are far and away better then the acr, the non-Adaptive no-Combat Rifle is a bucket of problems. I have done 600 yds at the range with a friends AW-308 without too much trouble. When I go to Palm Springs we go out to the desert to shoot, and I was hoping to get targets out to 800 yds there (we have yet to bring a .308 there yet so I honestly dont know if we will even be able to find our target at 800 yds amongst the brush). The reason I was looking at the m1a was as a semi automatic .308 rather than a bolt action, as semi just seems more fun. I now see that to really get a good semi automatic rifle, I'll have to put in some more cash. Maybe at a later date I'll go for a OBR or REPR. |
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