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Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: This is the G$ SSA, left side. https://i.imgur.com/BwQKIKL.jpg Here's what it looks like sitting in the jig. https://i.imgur.com/gqzL0AF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RVNCFjZ.jpg Doesn't look like I need to touch the left side of it? Just cut the right side & function check? eta: I'll need to get the lever blocker too? Dude Take a look at my pictorial page 18 post number 14 |
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Yes, make sure you are using the AS Designs Geissele Jig https://guncadindex.com/detail/Geissele-SS-Jig-V4:7 |
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Originally Posted By dredeagle: Open it up and observe. Yes, right side appears like it may "get in your way". It may not have been cleared enough to avoid interference with the right side of the safety shaft. Be prepared to catch the hammer while observing. Hammer strike is bad without the upper there to catch. But, don't relieve the left side unless you are binding there. If you relieve, be stingy - too much gone means adding material, so ... Following up, I think I got this working. Pulled everything apart, re-cleaned and installed following directions from 3 different youtubes like I was 8 years old. Function checks seem to pass. I've been out of the AR game awhile so I probably goofed something up with installation. |
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Originally Posted By dredeagle: @hillmonkey - who's jig? Thats the jig from Redacted Arms Originally Posted By HKH: Dude Take a look at my pictorial page 18 post number 14 I did, which is what made me want to try this myself.  |
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Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: Thats the jig from Redacted Arms I did, which is what made me want to try this myself.  Don’t be an ogre but round that left tip gently and you’ll be golden |
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Originally Posted By HKH: Don't be an ogre but round that left tip gently and you'll be golden Originally Posted By HKH: Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: Thats the jig from Redacted Arms I did, which is what made me want to try this myself. Don't be an ogre but round that left tip gently and you'll be golden |
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Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: This is the G$ SSA, left side. https://i.imgur.com/BwQKIKL.jpg Here's what it looks like sitting in the jig. https://i.imgur.com/gqzL0AF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RVNCFjZ.jpg Doesn't look like I need to touch the left side of it? Just cut the right side & function check? eta: I'll need to get the lever blocker too? |
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Alright so been putting it off because having to cut a trigger is kinda lame**. However, decided to give’er a go and it’s trivially easy. I used the pics posted by @HKH as a reference. Freehanded this with a dremel. Stuck the trigger in a vise. I only had to take it back out once and hit that left side rounded corner again. I was extremely conservative on that part. Here are the bits I used, already had them around. ASD stainless lever blocker, G$ SSA. This was a first run Arc-Fire that I got lucky on and ran out of the box. Replaced the steel weights in the UCIW buffer with tungsten weights. 11.5” Noveske bbl. ROF is….fast. The non-gay milspec selector levers will be here tomorrow. **I also have a corn fire MARC that ran out of the box with an uncut SD-E. The Arc-Fire does seem like a more robust unit than the MARC imo. I’ll be setting up at least 2 more guns this way. Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By glock23c: I did go to the range and about froze my fingers off. Range report. Put the first mag in, ran a few rounds semi and all was fine. Flipped to frt and it fired one round and locked the trigger. Ejected that round and fired 10 or so rounds frt and locked trigger again. Did that a couple more times before the 40 round mag was empty. Stuck a second mag in and shot about half and had a light primer strike. Kicked it out and emptied the mag. These were with my hand loads. Swapped over to IMI 55 gr and it would fire 2 frt then the bolt would only be about half way over the third round in the mag. It did that about 3 or 4 times and I gave up. Temp was 20° and wind chill showed 9°. I’m wondering if an H2 buffer might help that. All in all I think it’s gonna work just fine, just gonna need a little break in and maybe tuning the buffer. Gonna lube it up good and also try some wolf gold 55’s. Worked fine in semi auto. Welp, time to fess up. While waiting on the weather to warm up I kept looking at my lower and the internals. Something just didn’t look right. I got another lower and immediately spotted the problem. When I put the trigger spring on the trigger I put the front part of the spring on top of the front of the trigger instead of on the bottom. Dumb ass mistake. I pulled the trigger, put the spring right and reassembled. Temp hit 64° this afternoon so it was time to smoke test it. Ran 100+ rounds frt and it ran like a champ. I’m extremely pleased. One of my friends was at the range and I let him run a mag. He’s going home tonight to order one. 
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Just got and tested my AF with upgraded throw levers Rifle- 14.5 socom barrel, carbine length gas, pinned front sight gas block, v7 inconel gas tube, used a cut Mil-spec trigger I already had in the gun from War Hammer Armament. H3 buffer and super 42 spring. Lubed with CLP (all I had in the moment) 60 rounds unsuppressed 90 rounds suppressed No issues, hiccups or bumps. Fire rate was a perfect match with the Super Safety I had in prior. Will probably get a V2 when they become available |
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Originally Posted By SitrepSnafu: Just got and tested my AF with upgraded throw levers Rifle- 14.5 socom barrel, carbine length gas, pinned front sight gas block, v7 inconel gas tube, used a cut Mil-spec trigger I already had in the gun from War Hammer Armament. H3 buffer and super 42 spring. Lubed with CLP (all I had in the moment) 60 rounds unsuppressed 90 rounds suppressed No issues, hiccups or bumps. Fire rate was a perfect match with the Super Safety I had in prior. Will probably get a V2 when they become available upgraded throw levers ?????? |
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Originally Posted By maggiethecat: upgraded throw levers ?????? Originally Posted By maggiethecat: Originally Posted By SitrepSnafu: Just got and tested my AF with upgraded throw levers Rifle- 14.5 socom barrel, carbine length gas, pinned front sight gas block, v7 inconel gas tube, used a cut Mil-spec trigger I already had in the gun from War Hammer Armament. H3 buffer and super 42 spring. Lubed with CLP (all I had in the moment) 60 rounds unsuppressed 90 rounds suppressed No issues, hiccups or bumps. Fire rate was a perfect match with the Super Safety I had in prior. Will probably get a V2 when they become available upgraded throw levers ?????? Mil spec sized and textured. The included ones are skinny and smooth. They should be just the stock option, but it's a 30 dollar upgrade. You can choose between both sides being long (mil spec length) or long on the left, and short on the right for right handers. https://activesafetydesigns.com/arc-fire-parts/arc-fire-mil-spec-selectors/ |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Mil spec sized and textured. The included ones are skinny and smooth. They should be just the stock option, but it's a 30 dollar upgrade. You can choose between both sides being long (mil spec length) or long on the left, and short on the right for right handers. https://activesafetydesigns.com/arc-fire-parts/arc-fire-mil-spec-selectors/ Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By maggiethecat: Originally Posted By SitrepSnafu: Just got and tested my AF with upgraded throw levers Rifle- 14.5 socom barrel, carbine length gas, pinned front sight gas block, v7 inconel gas tube, used a cut Mil-spec trigger I already had in the gun from War Hammer Armament. H3 buffer and super 42 spring. Lubed with CLP (all I had in the moment) 60 rounds unsuppressed 90 rounds suppressed No issues, hiccups or bumps. Fire rate was a perfect match with the Super Safety I had in prior. Will probably get a V2 when they become available upgraded throw levers ?????? Mil spec sized and textured. The included ones are skinny and smooth. They should be just the stock option, but it's a 30 dollar upgrade. You can choose between both sides being long (mil spec length) or long on the left, and short on the right for right handers. https://activesafetydesigns.com/arc-fire-parts/arc-fire-mil-spec-selectors/ Correct the upgraded $30 ones on their site. |
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Just installed the new mil spec looking levers. Went long/long. Feels much better. Would recommend. If I understand correctly these will be an option for the arc-fire v2 when purchased instead of an additional price/upgrade. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By bkpkr: Just installed the new mil spec looking levers. Went long/long. Feels much better. Would recommend. If I understand correctly these will be an option for the arc-fire v2 when purchased instead of an additional price/upgrade. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/125849/IMG_8497_jpeg-3709181.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/125849/IMG_8498_jpeg-3709183.JPG Great to hear that! |
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I wish they would make it a option to the current orders. It kinda irks me to spend $250 and then have to pay another $30 to get the levers. I want two more arc fires, but if it the levers will be a selectable option on the V2, then I will wait for the V2 to come out. |
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I am very thankful for the recommendations of those who are knowledgeable about these things. One further thing to take into consideration: the size of your hands. On my first ARC-Fire, I ordered the recommended mil-spec looking levers. My mistake was getting long/long. It was my choice; it was a bad choice. My hands are larger than average. With the grip that I employ on my Magpul MIAD hand grips with the largest backstrap, the long lever on the right side pokes my hand a bit in the semi-auto position. I find it a bother. So, on all of my remaining ARC-Fires, I ordered long/short levers. That works better for me. |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Mil spec sized and textured. The included ones are skinny and smooth. They should be just the stock option, but it's a 30 dollar upgrade. You can choose between both sides being long (mil spec length) or long on the left, and short on the right for right handers. https://activesafetydesigns.com/arc-fire-parts/arc-fire-mil-spec-selectors/ aahhhh. I was thinking these levers 
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Originally Posted By GunsAndGoats: Anybody know what the ROF is on these? My shot timer registered splits at .14-.16, some as low as .10. That still seems low. I'm thinking maybe my shot timer was only registering every other shot. |
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Originally Posted By GunsAndGoats: Anybody know what the ROF is on these? My shot timer registered splits at .14-.16, some as low as .10. That still seems low. I'm thinking maybe my shot timer was only registering every other shot. |
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Originally Posted By bkpkr: Just installed the new mil spec looking levers. Went long/long. Feels much better. Would recommend. If I understand correctly these will be an option for the arc-fire v2 when purchased instead of an additional price/upgrade. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/125849/IMG_8497_jpeg-3709181.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/125849/IMG_8498_jpeg-3709183.JPG I found better screws for the levers, just don't know how to post a Pic. These are the ones look much better! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWM94K7Y?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 I would like short levers for the left side for us southpaws too! |
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Originally Posted By JBJR: I found better screws for the levers, just don't know how to post a Pic. These are the ones look much better! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWM94K7Y?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 I would like short levers for the left side for us southpaws too! I don't think those screws will work. The width of the heads will interfere with the back edge of the milspec style levers, and won't be able to screw in. |
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Originally Posted By georgeib: I don't think those screws will work. The width of the heads will interfere with the back edge of the milspec style levers, and won't be able to screw in. Originally Posted By georgeib: Originally Posted By JBJR: I found better screws for the levers, just don't know how to post a Pic. These are the ones look much better! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWM94K7Y?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 I would like short levers for the left side for us southpaws too! I don't think those screws will work. The width of the heads will interfere with the back edge of the milspec style levers, and won't be able to screw in. I installed those screws on mine, it cleared the lever. I didn't like the tall head. |
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Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: Can I install the safety and do a function check without the lever blocker? The lever blocker is only necessary when using a Geissele trigger, or other triggers with a non tailed hammer. If you're using a Geissele, yes, you need a lever blocker. Without it, your lever will fall forward under the hammer, and won't be engaged by the BCG. |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: The lever blocker is only necessary when using a Geissele trigger, or other triggers with a non tailed hammer. If you're using a Geissele, yes, you need a lever blocker. Without it, your lever will fall forward under the hammer, and won't be engaged by the BCG. Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: Can I install the safety and do a function check without the lever blocker? The lever blocker is only necessary when using a Geissele trigger, or other triggers with a non tailed hammer. If you're using a Geissele, yes, you need a lever blocker. Without it, your lever will fall forward under the hammer, and won't be engaged by the BCG. I cut a SSA yesterday & put it back in the lower. Was wondering if I could install the arc fire safety to see if it works. |
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Originally Posted By GunsAndGoats: It was on a 16" AR. Im thinking the timer wasn't picking up shot for shot. Originally Posted By GunsAndGoats: Originally Posted By Jeremy2171: Which gun are you asking about? It was on a 16" AR. Im thinking the timer wasn't picking up shot for shot. |
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Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: I cut a SSA yesterday & put it back in the lower. Was wondering if I could install the arc fire safety to see if it works. Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: Can I install the safety and do a function check without the lever blocker? The lever blocker is only necessary when using a Geissele trigger, or other triggers with a non tailed hammer. If you're using a Geissele, yes, you need a lever blocker. Without it, your lever will fall forward under the hammer, and won't be engaged by the BCG. I cut a SSA yesterday & put it back in the lower. Was wondering if I could install the arc fire safety to see if it works. Yep, not without the lever blocker. |
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I put my Arc-fire on a PSA 10.5 JAKL with the AS Designs JAKL kit. It ran great for half a mag but then started getting light primer strikes each second round when firing super safe. No failures to feed and worked fine in semi. I didn’t have time to diagnose the issue but next time I’ll change the gas block setting and if that doesn’t help I’ll try an increased power hammer spring. Anyone have any insight into this? |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: https://combatarmory.com/arc-fire-trigger-ambi-kit/ ARC50 code gets it to 200 with free shipping. Thank you! I was planning to wait for ASD ARC-Fire v2 to be released before buying this style FRT, but getting it for $199 with shipping included pushed me over the edge. |
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Originally Posted By Falcon09: I put my Arc-fire on a PSA 10.5 JAKL with the AS Designs JAKL kit. It ran great for half a mag but then started getting light primer strikes each second round when firing super safe. No failures to feed and worked fine in semi. I didn't have time to diagnose the issue but next time I'll change the gas block setting and if that doesn't help I'll try an increased power hammer spring. Anyone have any insight into this? |
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Originally Posted By carholio: If this has been asked and answered already, I apologize. Do many folks need to grind their upper so the trip doesn't hit or get stuck like on the push button SS? Thanks . None of my ARC-Fire installs have required upper trimming, on 3 lowers and... 6 uppers? 7? Compared to Hoffmans, which required it more than half the time. |
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Originally Posted By carholio: If this has been asked and answered already, I apologize. Do many folks need to grind their upper so the trip doesn't hit or get stuck like on the push button SS? Thanks . |
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Originally Posted By tripntx: Thank you! I was planning to wait for ASD ARC-Fire v2 to be released before buying this style FRT, but getting it for $199 with shipping included pushed me over the edge. Originally Posted By tripntx: Originally Posted By Wangstang: https://combatarmory.com/arc-fire-trigger-ambi-kit/ ARC50 code gets it to 200 with free shipping. Thank you! I was planning to wait for ASD ARC-Fire v2 to be released before buying this style FRT, but getting it for $199 with shipping included pushed me over the edge. Thanks! 
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If I recall correctly, didn't some of the earliest ARC's benefit from having a shim added to the assembly to take out some side to side movement? If so, are the current production examples in need of that shim or was there a minor production revision? If there was a revision, how do you identify if you have the revised product vs the original? Thanks |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: If I recall correctly, didn't some of the earliest ARC's benefit from having a shim added to the assembly to take out some side to side movement? If so, are the current production examples in need of that shim or was there a minor production revision? If there was a revision, how do you identify if you have the revised product vs the original? Thanks There are videos and pictures earlier in the thread. I can't recall the pages. Maybe 10ish. New units don't need the shim. Its a kickass unit btw |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: If I recall correctly, didn't some of the earliest ARC's benefit from having a shim added to the assembly to take out some side to side movement? If so, are the current production examples in need of that shim or was there a minor production revision? If there was a revision, how do you identify if you have the revised product vs the original? Thanks @s3igu2 @ASDesigns I should have at'd you all on that quoted post. |
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Apparently Brownells is doing a collaboration with Geissele for a Brownell's exclusive trigger. Minor change to manufacturing to allow a more friendly price point. One single stage trigger model and one 2-stage trigger model. I'm thinking this is good for easing the pain a bit in trying to cut up a G trigger. More details in this video.  Geissele Brownells Exclusive Triggers |
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