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GeorgeW2004

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Posted: 2/21/2007 2:08:59 PM EST

My father recently purchased a DPMS AP4. We're replacing the stock soon and I was wondering if the buffer and spring will fit in a standard mil-spec tube. Also, is a mil-spec tube going to fit the threads of the lower?

I noticed while trying to slip my Vlto Clubfoot on it that the stock buffer tube is slighty thicker than mil-spec and would not accept the Vltor.

Thanks

heat762 Joined Apr 2003 Posts 50 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 2/21/2007 2:26:54 PM EST I replaced my 6 position with an ACE. A standard ar-15 tube is what you need. However, you need an AR-10 specific buffer and spring. Call DPMS, both cost like 20$ altogether plus ship.

GeorgeW2004 Joined Dec 2004 Posts 587 EE Offline GA, USA	Posted: 2/21/2007 2:30:09 PM EST Thanks heat. So the buffer and spring that came with the weapon will not fit in a standard mil-spec tube?

infsqdldr never surrender Joined Dec 2004 Posts 2695 EE Offline AK, USA	Posted: 2/21/2007 3:27:22 PM EST the buffer and spring are fine, as long as you use the proper ones. meaning rifle in rifle and carbine in carbine. any extension should fit the receiver. as far as which stock will fit on which tube, milspec or commercial, check with manuf of the stock if unsure.
	real men shoot bull barrels. its all about the girth.

heat762

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TX, USA

Posted: 2/21/2007 3:58:38 PM EST

[Last Edit: 2/21/2007 3:59:09 PM EST by heat762]

Originally Posted By GeorgeW2004:
Thanks heat.

So the buffer and spring that came with the weapon will not fit in a standard mil-spec tube?

The .308 spring is much more robust than the .223 spring. The .223 spring will not work. I tried it.

The .308 buffer is longer and heavier than the carbine buffer. I think it is shorter than a standard .223 buffer.

The buffer tubes for .223 and .308 are the same.

Also, be prepared to cut the old 6 position castle nut off, it is staked on and there is not a cheater bar long enough and a wrnech strong enough to overcome its fury. I tried it.

Just call DPMS and say, I wanna make my .308 a standard length stock, I need the standard length buffer tube and buffer. And just get any old standard length tube.

Tite_Shot_VA

Joined Jan 2006
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VA, USA

Posted: 2/21/2007 8:23:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By heat762:

Originally Posted By GeorgeW2004:
Thanks heat.

So the buffer and spring that came with the weapon will not fit in a standard mil-spec tube?

The .308 spring is much more robust than the .223 spring. The .223 spring will not work. I tried it.

The .308 buffer is longer and heavier than the carbine buffer. I think it is shorter than a standard .223 buffer.

The buffer tubes for .223 and .308 are the same.

Also, be prepared to cut the old 6 position castle nut off, it is staked on and there is not a cheater bar long enough and a wrnech strong enough to overcome its fury. I tried it.

Just call DPMS and say, I wanna make my .308 a standard length stock, I need the standard length buffer tube and buffer. And just get any old standard length tube.

Are you referencing the lock nut that holds the stock on? That castle nut? I had no problem taking mine off. Or are you referencing another castle nut?

In the morning I will post pictures of the carbine and rifle buffers/springs.

-TS

heat762

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TX, USA

Posted: 2/22/2007 5:37:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tite_Shot_VA:

Originally Posted By heat762:

Originally Posted By GeorgeW2004:
Thanks heat.

So the buffer and spring that came with the weapon will not fit in a standard mil-spec tube?

The .308 spring is much more robust than the .223 spring. The .223 spring will not work. I tried it.

The .308 buffer is longer and heavier than the carbine buffer. I think it is shorter than a standard .223 buffer.

The buffer tubes for .223 and .308 are the same.

Also, be prepared to cut the old 6 position castle nut off, it is staked on and there is not a cheater bar long enough and a wrnech strong enough to overcome its fury. I tried it.

Just call DPMS and say, I wanna make my .308 a standard length stock, I need the standard length buffer tube and buffer. And just get any old standard length tube.

Are you referencing the lock nut that holds the stock on? That castle nut? I had no problem taking mine off. Or are you referencing another castle nut?

In the morning I will post pictures of the carbine and rifle buffers/springs.

-TS

Yes Tite, I/we replaced 2 of those stocks and both were staked on, I'm very jealous you had such an easy time!!!!!!

JimM44 Joined May 2006 Posts 244 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 2/22/2007 5:46:02 AM EST If it's staked then use a dremel cutoff wheel to cut that part and then unscrew it, don't try focring the bent metal to just twist off but some folks do just that.

GeorgeW2004 Joined Dec 2004 Posts 594 EE Offline GA, USA	Posted: 2/23/2007 3:39:46 AM EST Thanks for the replies. I really just need to know if I need to buy a different buffer and spring in order to put a MagPul CTR stock on it or can I use the ones that came with the weapon.

infsqdldr

never surrender

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Posted: 2/23/2007 4:29:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By GeorgeW2004:
Thanks for the replies. I really just need to know if I need to buy a different buffer and spring in order to put a MagPul CTR stock on it or can I use the ones that came with the weapon.

as long as you have the non mil spec ctr you should be good.

real men shoot bull barrels. its all about the girth.

Chuck Team Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts 6707 EE Offline OH, USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 4:37:35 AM EST The DPMS "carbine buffer" is still in this rifle. "Entry" stock + an extension. The telestock is way too long when open as are M16A1 and A2 length stocks due to the longer receiver. -- Chuck
	United States Offensive M4 Carbine Club.

Tite_Shot_VA

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VA, USA

Posted: 2/26/2007 10:42:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By heat762:

Originally Posted By Tite_Shot_VA:

Originally Posted By heat762:

Originally Posted By GeorgeW2004:
Thanks heat.

So the buffer and spring that came with the weapon will not fit in a standard mil-spec tube?

The .308 spring is much more robust than the .223 spring. The .223 spring will not work. I tried it.

The .308 buffer is longer and heavier than the carbine buffer. I think it is shorter than a standard .223 buffer.

The buffer tubes for .223 and .308 are the same.

Also, be prepared to cut the old 6 position castle nut off, it is staked on and there is not a cheater bar long enough and a wrnech strong enough to overcome its fury. I tried it.

Just call DPMS and say, I wanna make my .308 a standard length stock, I need the standard length buffer tube and buffer. And just get any old standard length tube.

Are you referencing the lock nut that holds the stock on? That castle nut? I had no problem taking mine off. Or are you referencing another castle nut?

In the morning I will post pictures of the carbine and rifle buffers/springs.

-TS

Yes Tite, I/we replaced 2 of those stocks and both were staked on, I'm very jealous you had such an easy time!!!!!!

Do you by chance have pictures of the staked nuts? I have worked on almost 2 dozen different AP4's and never a single one was staked, I even spoke to DPMS and they said they don't stake them. Picture would be so good to see.

-TS

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