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Posted: 9/29/2004 4:14:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/29/2004 4:29:19 PM EST by Lumpy196]
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:22:07 PM EST
A1 upper, or stock? I'm working on going with a A1 stock with an A2 upper/M4 bbl.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:29:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:35:32 PM EST
I always thought the A1 upper kind of leant itself to the ultralight barrel myself.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:37:30 PM EST
I agree, lighter is better. I prefer the A1, and would have gone with that had I found one used. I used to have a CAR15 SP1, and I thought that was just about ideal in weight for an AR.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:39:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:05:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By norman74:
I always thought the A1 upper kind of leant itself to the ultralight barrel myself.



If I could find a 14.5" Id be all over that.



Have Kurt or Adco cut it down? I don't think it's all that terribly expensive.
Do you have an SBR or are you permanently attaching a FS?
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:08:57 PM EST
I remember seeing a AF pic of a well worn one a while back. The upper didn't have FA.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:19:58 PM EST
That IDF photo site has TONS of photos of the things. Colt 653s with M4 barrels.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:26:27 PM EST
How about an A1 upper with a free-floating rail system?

I've never seen such an animal.

I'm surprised the iron sight only crowd hasn’t popped up with one?
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:27:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By norman74:
I always thought the A1 upper kind of leant itself to the ultralight barrel myself.



If I could find a 14.5" Id be all over that.


Like white on rice??
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:36:51 PM EST
I've got an M4/A1 set up on order as we type.

I think it's the shiznit. Once you set the irons....they'll always be set. It'd be a chore to mess up the alignment
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:39:00 PM EST
I think that would be a neat setup. Would the A1 upper have to have cuts made in the upper to match up w/ the M4 barrel extension? Or would it function fine with the extension ramps terminating at the lip?

I am currently building a A2 M4 upper with KAC MRE and either a chrome lined gov't/ ltweight barrel or M4 barrel. I'm gonna put a PRI fatboy gas tube in too.

Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:41:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:52:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/29/2004 6:53:58 PM EST by kingcleophus]
I'm not sure if Kiesler's Police Supply in IN is still around. In 2000, 2001 they bought a lot of Bushmaster product, A1(C7) uppers, 16 inch barrels, with pinned on Mini-blasters. They were equipped with the A2 stock. Sometime later, they had the 14.5 inch M4 barrel , but with the perm. attached AK blaster. Bought two of the M-4 mini-Y's for $615 new. Must have been the leftovers from YK2? One of them has a Barney coloring.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 3:25:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:15:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tman:
www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/car15/car15.htm



Interesting
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:21:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Anyone have one?

I saw a pic of a basic carbine with this combo a LONG time ago...



I installed one of CMMG's 1/7 M4 barrels on an M16A1 upper from CDNN. One SWEET combo, total weight is under 7#'s with the old style M16 stock(no storage). Kind of like an updated Model 655. HTH.

Paladin
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:30:25 AM EST
Lumpy - Not exactly what you are looking for but I wanted the same thing but wanted the flexability of the flattop upper:



Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:30:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/30/2004 5:35:46 AM EST by TheRedGoat]
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:55:07 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 6:07:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 6:28:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/30/2004 6:30:20 AM EST by Forest]

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Anyone have one?

I saw a pic of a basic carbine with this combo a LONG time ago...


I do!!! I've had this carbine since 1999 (my first 5.56 uppered AR).

Here is an old picture



It's getting an M4 telestock. I've changed the foward grip (to an AAC), light mount is now a TDI, and the Reflex is gone (no optic on her right now).
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 9:56:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/30/2004 10:02:57 AM EST by Lumpy196]
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 10:28:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/30/2004 10:30:01 AM EST by Lon_Moer]
Yeah, I have one. A1/C7 upper with a 16" BM, 1/9, M4 barrel and a three inch FH, for a 19" barrel.. A2 stock, M4 handguards, Ergo grip.
Its my loaner/ KISS rig.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 10:32:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By M4arc:
Lumpy - Not exactly what you are looking for but I wanted the same thing but wanted the flexability of the flattop upper:

members.cox.net/mwinder3/images/carbine1.JPG

members.cox.net/mwinder3/images/carbine2.JPG



Damn Marc, that turned out great.

Thanks everyone. Tman, thx for reminding me about the Isayeret website. I forgot about this:

www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/car15/jenin-.jpg



Thank you sir! That picture you just posted along with one KevinB posted is what gave me the idea for a 14.5" M4 barrel with a A1 handle. Kevin's picture with the detachable carry handle sealed the deal!
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 10:37:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
I have an M4 HBAR with A1 sights on my 9mm upper from KKF.

It won't be an M4 for much longer though, I am going to have it cut down for my SBR.

TRG

Pic www.tvcc.edu/faculty/ballen/images/9mmabove.jpg


After my barrel is shortened...

www.tvcc.edu/faculty/ballen/9mmabove3.jpg



Where did you get an m4 9mm barrel? Manufacturer?
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 11:17:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By norman74:
I always thought the A1 upper kind of leant itself to the ultralight barrel myself.


If I could find a 14.5" Id be all over that.



The only factory 14.5" pencil barrel I've ever run across was a used Colt 1:12.
I picked it up anyways and put it on a semi-dedicated .22 upper for plinking.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 12:06:33 PM EST
Not really an A1 upper, but pretty close. Love the gun and like the balance with the M4 barrel.

Link Posted: 9/30/2004 12:11:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Beowulf:
Not really an A1 upper, but pretty close. Love the gun and like the balance with the M4 barrel.

pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL176/1171244/2214857/59766141.jpg



Now THAT is sweet!
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 12:24:09 PM EST
Don't have one yet, but it's my current project.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 12:39:46 PM EST

Lumpy196

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Originally Posted By norman74:
I always thought the A1 upper kind of leant itself to the ultralight barrel myself.
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If I could find a 14.5" Id be all over that.



I found an original Colt 14.5 inch 1/7 LW barrel at a local gun show a few years back. I have seen them every now and then at the larger shows. I wanted a second one and did not want to hunt around so I bought a 16" Colt 1/7 and had KKF cut it down to 14.5 and install a Vortex on the end. Here are some pics




Her are some pics of just the barrel.

Link Posted: 9/30/2004 12:51:09 PM EST
I have an A1M4 that I put together a few years ago. It has a KKF brake and an original M16 stock. Now that the AWB is gone I am going to make a few changes. I am going to put on a YHM lightweight FFT and replace the brake with a phantom. I thought about switching to a flattop upper, but I decided I really like the rugged simplicity of the A1. If I decide to mount an aimpoint or an eotech I will just mount it to the free float tube. I am still trying to decide if I want a collapsible stock or not. Decisions, Decisions.

Link Posted: 9/30/2004 1:44:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 3:36:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/30/2004 3:43:16 PM EST by Beowulf]
Lumpy

I like the gun a lot, it just "feels" right. Just FYI, it's an M16 upper(small hole), not an SP1. The lower is a Sendra, which was made to the older A1 spec. The other thing I did on this was to go with the older carbine handguards (Colt, all the rest suck). They fit better than the M4's for the "slim and trim" profile I was going for. The ACOG is only there because my eyes aren't what they used to be.

Good luck with the build.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 4:57:03 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:15:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
A1upper w/M4 barrel?



Originally Posted By AKM:
How about an A1 upper with a free-floating rail system?


Finally a use for all these random AR pics on my hard drive...


I probably got the original photo on here somewhere, it's an Air Force FAC's GAU-5 of some sort IIRC. Not free-floated though, but the A1/M16 upper would make a heck of a BUIS
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:21:01 PM EST
i think a1 carbines... 15.5 w/ phatom normal lightweight stock makes an awesome truck weapon
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 6:12:09 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 6:21:44 PM EST
Nice rifle Beowulf. Follows the KISS rule.

Sammy


Originally Posted By Beowulf:
Not really an A1 upper, but pretty close. Love the gun and like the balance with the M4 barrel.

pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL176/1171244/2214857/59766141.jpg

Link Posted: 10/1/2004 3:02:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By SlimHazy:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
A1upper w/M4 barrel?



Originally Posted By AKM:
How about an A1 upper with a free-floating rail system?


Finally a use for all these random AR pics on my hard drive...

img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/slimhazy/GAU.jpg
I probably got the original photo on here somewhere, it's an Air Force FAC's GAU-5 of some sort IIRC. Not free-floated though, but the A1/M16 upper would make a heck of a BUIS



Now that is sweet! In fact, it's given me some ideas for a future build
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:59:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:36:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 7:40:19 PM EST by AKM]

Originally Posted By SlimHazy:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
A1upper w/M4 barrel?



Originally Posted By AKM:
How about an A1 upper with a free-floating rail system?


Finally a use for all these random AR pics on my hard drive...

img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/slimhazy/GAU.jpg
I probably got the original photo on here somewhere, it's an Air Force FAC's GAU-5 of some sort IIRC. Not free-floated though, but the A1/M16 upper would make a heck of a BUIS



I have that same pic on my drive too, and I even cropped it actually the same (strange)! But like you said, it's not a FF Tube.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:18:59 PM EST
I made one also.

Used a Colt lower(sbr), original tele-stock, Plastic.
Colt slab-side upper and a Bushie 14.5 inch bbl.
Neither the barrel or reciever have the M4 feed ramps so they go together perfect.
The rifle weighs @ 6.5 pounds....Perfect.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:20:37 PM EST
I made one also.

Used a Colt lower(sbr), original tele-stock, Plastic.
Colt slab-side upper and a Bushie 14.5 inch bbl.
Neither the barrel or reciever have the M4 feed ramps so they go together perfect.
The rifle weighs @ 6.5 pounds....Perfect.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:26:53 PM EST
Lumpy,

Saw a post ban Bushmaster on the EE last week (I think) that had an A1 upper and M4 barrel with mini-y-comp - you may be able to do a search and find it - not much for ADCO or some other quality smith to remove the Y comp and install a phantom for you.
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