I just recently posted a thread on this, I was wondering the same thing. Every AR I have ever shot over the years which has been many, was a loose rackety rifle, but always shot fine. After years and years of jams, I became quite disenchanted with the AR. Recently however, I rebuilt my pre-ban OLY with an A2 upper and complete lower parts kit. First, let me say those who have issues with Oly should check out their more than excellent newer stuff, I see no difference between the new Oly stuff and the Bushmaster stuff. I recently saw an M&A upper at a show ans like my Mama always said if you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all, so I won't. I have seen more than one bushy at the shows with very loose awful and I mean awful fit. Not to take away from Bushmaster, I think they make the finest AR on the market. Anyway, I posted a thread about my upper being just a little tight because I too was used to the slop and the good fellas here at AR15.com set me straight. After firing thise new rifle I fired it until it ran out of CLP which is the only thing that caused a jam. To say the least I have a re-newed love for the Stoner rifle. Being a Falaholic, it is hard to admit, but now at the range I just cannot put the AR down, the accuracy is absolutely amazing and this is an Oly!!! Standard 20". You know what's weird and this has nothing to do with anything but the first AR I ever shot was in the early 1980's when people would literally pay you to take them, nobody wanted them. It was a semi-auto A-1 that my late Father and I built. My Dad used to work for the Navy and back then and I do remember this, there were literally spare parts everywhere on base that you could trade for ciarettes, playboys or just buy for peanuts. Parts were EVERYWHERE. Yep, the old tri-angle handguards and all. Anyway, all these rifles we shot until the Communist party micturated on the 2nd ammendment in '94, I don't remember one of them being tight, they were all loose. Now, being the years between maybe 78-85 when we built them, these were obvioulsy left over Vietnam parts. Loose as a two dollar Naval base whore. But never ever, ever a jam. I bring this up because on gunbroker I have been seeing some SP1's for sale. 20 years ago, they were so cool. Now I think the A1 sights and the tri-guards look antique, which is cool. Hey guys, a few more years and some may be C&R??? A man can dream. This sure brings back memories of being a little kid sitting in a Cobra helicopter and seeing the fighters that made Khadafi think about what he did. I was telling my Mother the other day the endless opportunities I had as a kid to go up in fighters for a ride and I was a chicken sh*t little kid and wouldn't go. Could you imagine as an adult having carte blance to go up with navy fliers? Hell, you wouldn't be able to hold me back!! I miss America. To sum it up this rifle went together super tight but if you understand friction, tolerance and wear, you know the rifle will break in and it will be beautiful. Now, the minute it starts to jam, I will get pissed again. I don't think it will, it is nice and I love it and now I want another. Question is, do I get it now or wait until America is liberated in September '04. I really, really want a Bushy. Anyone know a good place online to pick up good deals on pre-bans?