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12/6/2019 7:27:02 PM
Posted: 6/3/2008 5:22:37 PM EST
i tried the dms-1 and didnt like it. the dot was not able to be seen in the day light, and it had a serious fish eye effect. any other 1-4 optics i should look at, preferebly less than $500? i want illumination too, so i can set it at 1x and shoot it like a red dot. thanks for the help.
adam
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:41:15 PM EST
The Trijicon Accupoint is REALLY nice.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:57:59 PM EST
leupold vxiii with illumination. prob gonna be a hair over youre price range though. and i think it is 1.5-5 if i remember correctly
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 6:09:21 PM EST
You can try these...

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=183610

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=826345
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 6:25:21 PM EST
My vote goes with the Trijicon Accupoint 1.25-4x as IMO this is the best bang for the buck in a low power variable with illumination. The best part is that they run on either available light which is adjustable to a degree or by tritium-NO batteries. There is a slight bubble effect around the edges of the FOV at 1.25x but not enough to bother me, everyone has an opinion about this so you may not like this scope for that reason as well. I have not seen one in person but there has been much posted about the Meopta K-dot 1-4x scope in regards to being ideal for tactical use. Apparently the illumination in the Meopta is daylight visible and the optics are supposed to be excellent. The Accupoint can be had for around $500 or so and the K-dot is usually about $750. I have learned that you do get what you pay for in optical gunsights, less expensive scopes do not perform as well as the ones that are more money. You can get by with a $100 scope but you will be wanting something more in the performance- optical quality/features etc.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 6:43:24 PM EST
Burris XTR 1X4!
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 11:21:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/3/2008 11:22:20 PM EST by DevL]
Any 1-4X optic will have that same fish eye effect at 1X to some extent. The Meopta is a little less pronounced in the middle and possibly a bit steeper on the edges. I find it better overall in the fisheye department. The Meopta has daytime illumination. No 1-4X with daytime illuminaiton is less expensive than the Meopta.
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 7:08:36 AM EST
Meopta bar none. I've gone through them all and the K Dot is the answer if you want a 1=4 with a visable red dot. See Mike at CS Gunworks for a smoking deal. Ypu'll never change this optic.

Link Posted: 6/4/2008 7:36:59 AM EST
How about the Leupold CQB thing. Seems like it is a 1-4, maybe just 1-3.
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 7:44:06 AM EST
I went through this questioning 2 months ago when i wanted to replace an Aimpoint on my M-4. I've reached a point where I need an optic for a shot over 100 meters but want a constantly visable red dot. Only the K Dot gives that at this point. The others require a J Point or Doctor optic added to the outsode of the 1-4.
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 8:39:17 AM EST
If you are looking for something that costs about the same as the Millet, then I would try the Nikko Stirling:
www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=350378&t=11082005
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:56:11 AM EST
The KDot has excellent glass but it's the battery life that concerns me. Only 80 hours?
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 10:36:07 AM EST
I keep an emergency batt in the grip. But, the K Dot has a feature that allows you to turn off the red dot with one click. You can then use standard reticle for plinking or anything in outside. One click and the red dot is back on if you need it indoors.
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 4:19:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/4/2008 4:21:05 PM EST by SuperSet72]
That's a good idea and I'm glad to hear that it's working out for you. I just wish that they'd up the battery life a bit.. at least to EOTech levels - 1000s of hours. Having fondled a Trijicon Accupoint a bit, the fiber optic and tritium is an ideal solution but I thought the glass quality was surprisingly lacking. Especially at 1.25x, it looks weird.

Any news of the Meopta making it out to field units yet?
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 4:21:31 PM EST

The Meopta has daytime illumination. No 1-4X with daytime illuminaiton is less expensive than the Meopta.


The Burris 1x4 XTR is visable in most daylight scenero's and is not too bright at night like I have heard some reply the Meopta is. It also has marks in Mils on top and sides with bullet drop marks at the bottom with the 100Yd dot being 1" at 100 and the two hundred yard dot is 1/2" and the Meopta has no BDC and cost more than the Burris!
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 10:45:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/4/2008 10:47:30 PM EST by DevL]

Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
The KDot has excellent glass but it's the battery life that concerns me. Only 80 hours?


The 80 hours is conservative IMO... its longer than that but not Aimpoint bright anymore. This is a traditionally illuminated magnified optic... 80 hours is GREAT! The S&B Short Dot is 100 hours. Someone mentioned 1000 hours like an EOtech? Not with current technology.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 5:40:39 AM EST
SuperSet, you thought the Accupoint glass quality was lacking I think its extremely good quality glass. The clarity is that of a $1500 scope. What didnt you like about it?
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:11:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2008 9:27:25 AM EST by SuperSet72]

Originally Posted By enkry:
SuperSet, you thought the Accupoint glass quality was lacking I think its extremely good quality glass. The clarity is that of a $1500 scope. What didnt you like about it?


Yeah, at the lowest magnification, it looks strange. The only way I can describe it is if I'm looking through my fish tank at a target. There's some wobbliness there. When I look through the Meopta, it's clear.
If Meopta met the Accupoint, that would really be the ultimate 1-4x optic. True 1X with fiber optic illumination.
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