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Thanks for the great work man!
I'd love to see a Silver Bear 62gr HP thread like this.... |
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Thanks again for another outstanding review.
Just goes to show (again)............you get what you pay for. |
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I appreciate your contributions very much.
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excellent read id like to see the same with silver and brown bear if you can.
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so what you are saying is "sighting in on a 25 yard target with wolf is pointless" . (no actually i couldnt get ANYthing like a decent group out of it and using internet commando photos i just reasoned that i was a bad shot(still a bad shot but not THAT bad)
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I can shoot sub MOA with Wolf all day long.
So the result of your testing is that the 55gr Wolf is the "match" ammo, and the 62gr stuff is the plinking ammo? |
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Originally Posted By ohio11b20:
excellent read id like to see the same with silver and brown bear if you can. |
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You should do some of the offerings from Brown bear next molon. Good post too
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You didn't shoot the extreme performance 62gr load from the 1/7 barrel?!!!?
Now that's where you f-cked up, it would have been sub MOA for sure!!!! I don't get it Molon, all this testing and you skipped the obvious superior combination! LOL |
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The definitive post on Wolf accuracy. I marked it as "do not archive" and will add a link to this post to the ComBloc Ammo FAQ.
Thanks for your work once again, Molon. |
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Hell, I'd be happy if I got 4 MOA from Wolf with my shooting
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Excellent report, Molon.
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great work sir.. so what i am getting is you will most likely hit what you are aiming at with wolf and it will hurt
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Nicely done. You have demonstrated that Wolf generally goes somewhere close to where you point it and doesn't care whether it gets there through a 1:7 or 1:9 twist barrel. I assume that your dog is still in good health as well.
It would be interesting to see what sort of numbers that ammo chrono'd at. Some of the target impacts being far enough away from the rest of the bunch make it look like velocities weren't particularly consistent. Again, great work. |
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You get out of here with your testing. We have too many people on the internet with guns that shoot Wolf into an inch ALL DAY LONG!!! They said so. J/K and thanks for the test. Confirms my results. We need a sticky on combloc .223 that says "Expect 4-5 MOA. Period." And that's been my experience with Silver Bear, too.
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I'll second the "where is the 62 in the 1/7?"
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I'll second the "where is the 62 in the 1/7?" Why? Because you think there'd be a significant difference or because you're just being picky? |
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Originally Posted By Morbidbattlecry:
You should do some of the offerings from Brown bear next molon. Good post too I find wolf to be slighty more precise but brown bear 62 gr hp\sp is around 4 moa ammo too. |
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Molon,
if you want to do Silver Bear send me a IM and i will get you some over Bryan |
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Black box wolf is one thing, but the cammo box Military Classic is another. I've "heard" the cammo box is better ammo, produced at a different plant.
I'd like to see a cammo box test. And I've already come to the conclusion that black box wolf is junk, but it works well for a 50 yard carbine course/action match |
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Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
Molon, if you want to do Silver Bear send me a IM and i will get you some over Bryan And if Molon stands you up Bryan, I'm available |
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This Wolf stuff must be what they use in the movies You just keep shooting until you hit your intended target.
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I thought you were shooting a wolf to test penetration. Glad I was wrong.
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After this report, I'm certain not even Little Red Riding Hood would want to use Wolf.......
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It won't matter for CQB.
BTW, I've used Wolf boxer cases for reloads and they are pretty accurate. It must be the projectile that is junky. |
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Originally Posted By smith368:
This Wolf stuff must be what they use in the movies You just keep shooting until you hit your intended target. It's what the A-team used out of their Mini-14's in the t.v. series. |
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I still am not going to buy any of that wolf ammo.....
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I'd like to see this test with the Silver Bear 62 gr. hollow points, please.
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Originally Posted By Brahmzy:
Thanks for the great work man! I'd love to see a Silver Bear 62gr HP thread like this.... I wouldn't mind seeing how any of the Bear ammo compares to wolf. The bear has always been a better ammo for me, but its still blasting fodder. My M16 doesn't really care about MOA. |
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Great info.
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
The definitive post on Wolf accuracy. I marked it as "do not archive" and will add a link to this post to the ComBloc Ammo FAQ. Thanks for your work once again, Molon. Although it is interesting, I think the term 'Definitive' would be withheld until there is a double blind test completed. Expectations of accuracy and operator knowledge of the ammo fired would still be a factor. I could repeat the same test with any ammo and get the 'expected' results. TRG |
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want some free 75gr wolf hp to test?
email me. GREAT write ups molon. |
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Very cool. Thanks for doing this.
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Great write-up Molon.
I'll echo some of the other comments here and say that a Bear vs Wolf comparison would be truly epic. While I haven't performed any formal evaluations, the 62gr HP Silver Bear I've been using has been just as accurate as the Prvi M193 I have(although that isn't saying much....). |
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Excellent work Molon. Thank you for all the work you do. You have confirmed what I figured, Wolf is good for plinking and is minute of bad guy out to 200.
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Excellent, informative post. This is extremely valuable information. Thank you for your efforts.
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Just for grins......would there happen to be similar test data, using the same rifle, equipment, etc for OTHER commercial ammunition?
A scientific test would have fired control groups using other ammunition....and actually would have used several identically configured rifles. Definitive test of Wolf?.....no.....but, this makes a good read and is better than average as far as test procedure....it indicates what one particular rilfe is capable of. BTW, the rilfe and ammuntion performance from this test would meet basic Army performance requirements regarding accuracy. Hotgun |
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Originally Posted By Hotgun: Just for grins......would there happen to be similar test data, using the same rifle, equipment, etc for OTHER commercial ammunition? A scientific test would have fired control groups using other ammunition....and actually would have used several identically configured rifles. Definitive test of Wolf?.....no.....but, this makes a good read and is better than average as far as test procedure....it indicates what one particular rilfe is capable of. BTW, the rilfe and ammuntion performance from this test would meet basic Army performance requirements regarding accuracy. Hotgun Molon has done such tests for a multitude of commercial ammo with the same rifle. I know, its easier to just assume hes wrong and that Wolf is the greatness, and that there is no reason for 'good' ammo to be so expensive, but come on. |
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WTF is wrong with this site? Why so slow?
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Three shot groups do not give a true picture of the accuracy of a rifle and ammunition combination. That is why the US Military requires 10-shot groups for the accuracy testing of the ammunition used by our Armed Forces.
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I've owned many AR15s since 1996 and the only time I've ever had a jam or stoppage was using wolf ammo. I would ask if you had any jams during the test but you're very busy.
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Three shot groups do not give a true picture of the accuracy of a rifle and ammunition combination. That is why the US Military requires 10-shot groups for the accuracy testing of the ammunition used by our Armed Forces.
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Originally Posted By Eric802: Originally Posted By smith368: This Wolf stuff must be what they use in the movies You just keep shooting until you hit your intended target. It's what the A-team used out of their Mini-14's in the t.v. series. Now there's a scary thought, Wolf out of a mini14. That just sounds more dangerous than Russian roulette. Why is wolf so stupidly varied? Wolf gold 223 is a nice fun round. Wolf MT in 22LF is constantly at or near 1moa from my 10/22 (its pretty really far from stock), but most other wolf is so shitty that you may as well just throw it down range, you stand a greater chance of hitting something, anything. I know wolf is repackaged from other manufactures, privi for the wolf gold, Lapua for wolf mt.... But you would think that they would actually try to show their entire line in a better light. Make some kind of a respectful name for themselves. OK rant over. As you were. |
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Originally Posted By iNeXile556:
Originally Posted By Eric802:
Originally Posted By smith368:
This Wolf stuff must be what they use in the movies You just keep shooting until you hit your intended target. It's what the A-team used out of their Mini-14's in the t.v. series. Now there's a scary thought, Wolf out of a mini14. That just sounds more dangerous than Russian roulette. Why is wolf so stupidly varied? Wolf gold 223 is a nice fun round. Wolf MT in 22LF is constantly at or near 1moa from my 10/22 (its pretty really far from stock), but most other wolf is so shitty that you may as well just throw it down range, you stand a greater chance of hitting something, anything. I know wolf is repackaged from other manufactures, privi for the wolf gold, Lapua for wolf mt.... But you would think that they would actually try to show their entire line in a better light. Make some kind of a respectful name for themselves. OK rant over. As you were. Because Wolf Gold is actually repacked Privi Partisan, Wolf match rimfire ammo is made in Germany, and Wolf steel cased centerfire ammo is made in Russia. It's not all made at the same place by the same people. |
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All of those shots were done using a scope? What should I expect using iron / red dot / Prismatic?
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Originally Posted By Lindy_Hoppin_Gun_Nut:
All of those shots were done using a scope? What should I expect using iron / red dot / Prismatic? Thanks! That depends entirely on the shooter. Using a rest, a quality rifle, and a high-magnification scope is (short of a bolted-down test barrel) probably the best way to get an "objective" test of how accurate the ammo is. Once you start talking about using irons or red dots, you're introducing a lot more shooter-induced variables. |
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Originally Posted By Hotgun:
BTW, the rilfe and ammuntion performance from this test would meet basic Army performance requirements regarding accuracy. Hotgun The rifle - yes it would meet performance specifications. The ammo however would fail - miserably. |
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it's my 'spray and pray' load ... for when the 35,000 zombies come ambling down the street. and i don't really care which ones i hit. they do always go bang in my rifles - but where they end up is sometimes a mystery. that's why i handload. that and i'm not rich. and i like to hit what i aim at.
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Originally Posted By MRW: Black box wolf is one thing, but the cammo box Military Classic is another. I've "heard" the cammo box is better ammo, produced at a different plant. I'd like to see a cammo box test. And I've already come to the conclusion that black box wolf is junk, but it works well for a 50 yard carbine course/action match I've had zero problems with black box - never worried about the accuracy (shooting it out of my M4 at less then 200yds) but cammo box is the only ammo I've ever had stop up my rifle. Military Classic wolf is garbage.
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... And all this time I just thought I couldn't shoot a rifle worth a shit, chasing a zero all over the frigging target at 100 yards.
Thanks Molon. |
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Originally Posted By peasant:
You get out of here with your testing. We have too many people on the internet with guns that shoot Wolf into an inch ALL DAY LONG!!! Exactly, and now when any member here starts spouting such nonsense, you can link them directly to this thread. |
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Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
Molon, if you want to do Silver Bear send me a IM and i will get you some over Bryan Bryan, Thank you kindly for your very gracious offer. Unfortunately, I must decline. It has been a long-standing policy of mine not to accept ammunition/products for testing from manufacturers/wholesalers/retailers, so that there can be absolutely no accusations of bias in my test results. Thanks again, Molon |
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