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Link Posted: 8/24/2010 3:04:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By flatdarkmars:
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8274/rothchandlervd1.jpg
I love the tape camo and can on this one.


http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5773/danroberts5gx5.jpg
'nother canned rifle.


http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6828/sogrtidahoccn1971iekw4.jpg
Now that is a muzzle device.


http://www.gun-world.net/usa/m16/xm148/xm79.jpg
Not sure what this is but it looks fun to shoot, not so fun to carry.


http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2445/1bde18azh4.jpg
Presented without comment.


Im pretty sure its not the same guy but when I was a kid I was going through some of my dads Americam Rifleman magazines that were a few years old. There was a story and photo about a GI that was asleep in the bush. Something grabbed him by his knee and started dragging him off. He started firing his 16 and he killed the tiger that was trying to kill him.

Link Posted: 9/4/2010 10:02:21 PM EST
Whenever I see a true warrior as that man (Mong The H is silent) I  get so pi___-off I sometimes go running to take off a littlle stress and to just get away.  The Hmong were some of the best fighters in SEA.  They have allways respected the US and always thought we would never leave them behind when it all goes down.  Some SF that worked with them gave them the locker key rant all of the munitions, rifles, and what ever they had locked up in their make shift locked equipment than asked to do it again with resupply.  They were told to stay in the mountains and to burry all of that.  When they (SF) were ready to depart they wrote off  all of thier weapons and equipment until the day arisses that the Communists would find them.  I will bet that he was one of the individuals that worked with SF,SOG and the very early "White Star Thy.  And there he sits still for someone to take a picture of him.  

I saw a film from FOX News I believe, it was a number of years ago about thier plight.  It was taken undercover and at great risk because the Pathet Lao tCommunist's) and the two people of the network would be killed and thrown in the jungle to so that the  rs they would hidden in the tropical rainforest he Female talking to the people with a translater the video and some one holding the camera.  The old guys all had their M-16A1's in that bad of shape and they told the reporter while crying.  They all said while crying, that they wanted/needed the US to come to their to thn needs because every time they run into an ambush from the Vietname /or Pathet Lao they lose some more older and young men. They were crying because even though things from "White Star" and fighting the NVA beside their American advisors were to them back in the old days and they want it back along with SF again!  When asked by the translator as to why the men were all crying was because they were two Americans right in front of them and thought that thew American army and SF were coming to gather themselves togther to go to America and when they found out these people were not there to help them other than talking to theme.

Also, look at his rifle, would any of you use his rifle to fight against the Vietnamese from the west and Pathet Lao in the middle of the country and still hell bent on killing anybody that is a Hmong.  They want them to become extinct.

The hate of allot of people towards a people that only know the mountains and that is where they stayed to harvest and slash and burn their crops.  General Vang Po was the leader of the Hmong Warriors.  He now resides in Texas or california, somewhere I am not for sure.  During this time in their history is when Ross Perot starded to help with the fight on the Plain of Jars.  Perot even sent the General two gold plated Colt Peacemakers and some ammo to go with it.  Unfortunality, I don't have scanner or even a printer, otherwise I'd show you some pictures of the both of them together.e also say that Mr. Ross Perot was THE Most Anti-Communist person during the Vietnam War.  

My many apogies for dragging this thread to such a great a long team.  I am also really, really apologizing for the hijacking of this thread.

mantracker

















Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:33:10 AM EST
retro GL

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 6:08:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By Frens:
retro GL
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7497/o1uns.jpg


Look at the guy's face; he's giving the Palis his "War Face".
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 8:45:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By Frens:
retro GL
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7497/o1uns.jpg


Kind of looks like a shot of Willem Dafoe from "Platoon."
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 3:23:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By FITTER:
Here is that CAR-15 family photo that I had posted previously:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/Weapons/M-16group.jpg

What magazine is that on the right?
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 9:25:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By Boltaction86:
Originally Posted By FITTER:
Here is that CAR-15 family photo that I had posted previously:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/Weapons/M-16group.jpg

What magazine is that on the right?

The weapon is a HBAR CAR-15 configured with a belt-feed system.  Its not a magazine.  Its a box that would have carried the belt and collected spent links on the other side.
Link Posted: 9/16/2010 11:03:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2010 11:48:15 AM EST by flatdarkmars]
No one has built one of these yet!  (as far as I know)


EDIT: first image may have been disabled w/ respect to remote linking, but can be seen on this page second from bottom.

Second pic:


ETA: It's an XM106, a prototype AR-based LMG design.  From Wikipedia:
"In 1978 the US Army's Ballistic Research Laboratory decided to build upon the WAK idea to create a contender for the SAW trials, given the designation XM106. The BRL gun differed primarily in having permanently fixed handguards and a special quick-change barrel system. The handguards also had an M2 bipod originally for the M14 rifle and a vertical foregrip fashioned from spare A1 pistol grips fitted. Early XM106s also had the front sight moved forward along the barrel to create a longer sight radius for more accurate long range fire, but this was dropped from later versions. In the end the Army used the XM106 as more of a control variable during the competition and selected the XM249, better known as the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon."
Link Posted: 9/17/2010 11:37:26 AM EST
I dont see the top of your 2 pictures.WHats the story on this? A quick change barrel?
Link Posted: 9/17/2010 11:40:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By lafmedic1:
I dont see the top of your 2 pictures.WHats the story on this? A quick change barrel?

Top picture:

Link Posted: 9/17/2010 12:29:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2010 12:36:02 PM EST by Thatguy96]
Originally Posted By lafmedic1:
Whats the story on this? A quick change barrel?

The XM106 featured a quick change barrel.  This was a requirement for the SAW competition.  The XM106, developed by the US Army's Ballistic Research Laboratory was effectively used as a control during the trials.  It also featured a forward grip made from a standard A1 pistol grip and used the M2 bipod, mounted above the handguard.  There were apparently two versions, one with the longer sight radius as a pictured, and one with the FSB in the original position.

EDIT- See the wiki entry has been posted.  I should have just copied and pasted that seeing as I wrote that heh.  Its what I know of the XM106.  I've been trying to get the official nomenclature, but a part of me thinks that it might have actually been designated as a rifle rather than a machine gun.
Link Posted: 10/16/2010 5:10:38 PM EST


Looks like some 604 uppers from the Air Force A2 conversion program a few years back. You can see the green turn in tags attached to the barrels. Sure be nice to have just one of those boxes of uppers!

Link Posted: 10/17/2010 8:36:11 PM EST


Found this pic on a website. Not sure if its real or not, first thing i noticed was the B.F.A's though. Just wanted to share and see what ya'll thought.
Link Posted: 10/17/2010 11:09:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By ViciousWhiteKid:
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn253/Sansabath/nZphs.jpg

Found this pic on a website. Not sure if its real or not, first thing i noticed was the B.F.A's though. Just wanted to share and see what ya'll thought.


Love it.
Link Posted: 10/19/2010 4:15:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/6/2010 11:15:01 PM EST by flatdarkmars]
July 1965:


605 + XM148.


607 (note rear handguard cap) with atypical muzzle device.  Also, note that this is the earliest constant-curve 30 round magazine that we've yet observed.
Link Posted: 10/19/2010 5:03:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By ViciousWhiteKid:
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn253/Sansabath/nZphs.jpg

Found this pic on a website. Not sure if its real or not, first thing i noticed was the B.F.A's though. Just wanted to share and see what ya'll thought.


San Diego maybe?
Link Posted: 10/19/2010 6:09:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By SnaitN:

San Diego maybe?


Definitely not China Beach, Da Nang, RVN,  circa '67!  

Link Posted: 10/20/2010 1:01:33 AM EST
Popular Mechanics, June 1967.

Link Posted: 10/20/2010 7:57:15 AM EST

That XM16E1 has a 601 port door. The soldier also has the trigger guard open.
Link Posted: 10/29/2010 10:27:39 AM EST
Must be winter where he's wading...
Link Posted: 11/6/2010 9:54:31 PM EST

San Diego maybe?


You are correct sir! Actually, its Silver Strand state beach, a couple of miles down the road from The Hotel Del Coronado and Coronado Naval Amphibious Base. Great beach to hang out at!
Link Posted: 11/24/2010 4:37:52 AM EST




This is probably the first pic I've seen of a regular grunt with a 30 rounder. Shown leaning against the kit of a sergeant from the 196th Infantry Brigade in 1972.



 
Link Posted: 11/28/2010 4:34:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/28/2010 4:59:16 AM EST
Cadillac Gage V100?
Link Posted: 11/28/2010 5:05:26 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/28/2010 2:08:55 PM EST
Awesome.
Link Posted: 11/28/2010 3:43:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/1/2010 11:23:36 PM EST
Dated 1963


Link Posted: 12/2/2010 9:30:01 PM EST
Damn, he has some major chicken wing going on in pic #3
Link Posted: 12/3/2010 6:15:25 PM EST
The cigarette is a nice touch!
Link Posted: 12/3/2010 7:07:54 PM EST
It is obviously a non p.c. era pic and therefore taken when mankind was just barbarians.....
But man he got some wings on that shot.....
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 10:23:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By FMJ2379:
Damn, he has some major chicken wing going on in pic #3



Pics from before the mid-60s that I've seen show a lot, if not most, off-hand rifle shooters using this style with a high elbow.  It may not be "tacticool" but it does work on a formal competition range.
Link Posted: 12/31/2010 6:46:51 PM EST



Originally Posted By FITTER:
OK, let's try this again. I have taken the initiative to re-post many of the retro images that I had placed on the original Real Deal thread. Those who contributed to the first thread should feel free to re-post any pics they found that they felt were of interest to those of us who inhabit this dark little corner of the jungle. It may take a while to get it back to eight pages like it was (!), but this is a start.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/RVN%20images/rangertm.jpg

Notice that the handguards are mounted sideways in this photo so the handgrip will be on the side. Also, the taped handgrip again. (I'm sure this shot will make someone's day)

All photos are from http://www.lcompanyranger.com/
I placed them on my own photo server so as not to drain the bandwidth of the parent site.  


Is it just me, or is that a 7.62x39 magazine in the CAR-15 the second trooper from the left is holding?  I can't believe no one else caught it.
Link Posted: 1/1/2011 7:30:25 PM EST



Originally Posted By imarangemaster:






Is it just me, or is that a 7.62x39 magazine in the CAR-15 the second trooper from the left is holding?  I can't believe no one else caught it.


Field made 30 round mag. In the past, that picture has caused a lot of argument.

 
Link Posted: 1/3/2011 8:21:17 PM EST
I'm not convinced.  Checked a 30 round 7.62x39 mag at the gunshow yesterday, and it was identical.  A couple of other things bother me:  First, in the 25 years that I carried guns for a living (and to keep me living), I would never have trusted my life to a "cumschawed" jury rigged magazine like that.- PERIOD!  Second, there is something about the picture that doesn't look right.  I can't put my finger on it, though.  Matbe they don't look hard enough in the eye.  Can't say, but I think it is a faux-staged photo made to look retro.  Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 1/3/2011 9:24:13 PM EST



Originally Posted By imarangemaster:


I'm not convinced.  Checked a 30 round 7.62x39 mag at the gunshow yesterday, and it was identical.  A couple of other things bother me:  First, in the 25 years that I carried guns for a living (and to keep me living), I would never have trusted my life to a "cumschawed" jury rigged magazine like that.- PERIOD!  Second, there is something about the picture that doesn't look right.  I can't put my finger on it, though.  Matbe they don't look hard enough in the eye.  Can't say, but I think it is a faux-staged photo made to look retro.  Just my opinion.


If you are that convinced, why did you even ask the question? I will let others argue with your ignorance on the subject.

 
Link Posted: 1/3/2011 10:44:31 PM EST
If you recall, in my first post I merely stated an observation of what I saw.  My second post merely responded to your supposition it was a field made 30. I simply  put forward that in my experience, myself and no one who ever depended on a weapon would use such a homemade magazine. I have seen two 20s fixed together to make an ersatz 40, but it was unreliable.  Colt even made some baseplates that snapped two 20 rounders together.

Ignorant?  Now that is hysterical. I have been shooting for 50 years.  I am not one of the "Tacticool" mall commandos. I fired my first M16 in 1974.  I have 5 years military and 20 years full time law enforcement.  Much of that time I was a field training officer, a firearms and tactics instructor, and small arms armorer. I did small arms and equipment evaluations, and grant proposal for weapons acquisition for the department.  It was nothing for me to put 5,000 to 10,000 rounds through a weapon just to wring it out. On the side, I was building ARs back in the 80s when it was PWA, SGW, Palmetto, and Nesard.  Just because I have not posted much here means nothing.  On the boards I frequent, I have far more posts (in the 4 digits)

I have no idea what level of experience you have and I really don't care. I was not trying to get into a "my johnson is bigger than yours" argument. Your lack of manners is shown by how you behave with anyone who has the audacity to disagree with you.  What made you resort to name calling?  It is not very dignified.
Link Posted: 1/4/2011 12:07:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/4/2011 12:09:54 AM EST by somebob]
I came across this site with some very nice photographs, most images in the photo gallery have descriptions.  http://www.tf116.org







Link Posted: 1/7/2011 11:26:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/7/2011 11:27:53 PM EST by OZ]
Aussie Special Air Service, Vietnam around 1970 +/-  (M203 on left came along later, hence the XM148s).

Andy

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af98/Andy_the_Aussie/SASPatrol1.jpg
Link Posted: 1/7/2011 11:39:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/7/2011 11:40:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/8/2011 10:02:15 AM EST


Wonderful pictures!
Link Posted: 1/8/2011 12:49:21 PM EST
One of my SOG buddies just created a MACV-SOG photo album on Facebook and there are some incredible images of his recon team up at CCN and at the various launch sites.  Lots of CAR-15s, AKs, Hueys, Kingbees...  Wish I could post his whole album for the greater good of this thread.
Link Posted: 1/8/2011 2:58:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
One of my SOG buddies just created a MACV-SOG photo album on Facebook and there are some incredible images of his recon team up at CCN and at the various launch sites.  Lots of CAR-15s, AKs, Hueys, Kingbees...  Wish I could post his whole album for the greater good of this thread.


Got a link? Facebook should be good for something, after all.
Link Posted: 1/8/2011 8:16:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
One of my SOG buddies just created a MACV-SOG photo album on Facebook and there are some incredible images of his recon team up at CCN and at the various launch sites.  Lots of CAR-15s, AKs, Hueys, Kingbees...  Wish I could post his whole album for the greater good of this thread.


Got a link? Facebook should be good for something, after all.


Link please...this should be great.
Link Posted: 1/8/2011 8:45:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By M-Forgery:
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
One of my SOG buddies just created a MACV-SOG photo album on Facebook and there are some incredible images of his recon team up at CCN and at the various launch sites.  Lots of CAR-15s, AKs, Hueys, Kingbees...  Wish I could post his whole album for the greater good of this thread.


Got a link? Facebook should be good for something, after all.


Link please...this should be great.


Unfortunately, his privacy settings include friends only but there are a few good ones that I'll grab and post.  Hang on...
Link Posted: 1/9/2011 2:02:48 PM EST
Okay, here are some photos I pulled from Facebook; all photos belong to Lynne M. Black Jr.




Soviet-made .51-cal (12.7mm) AA gun among other captured munitions and small-arms.






This was one of the hooch maids at FOB 1. We took her to the firing range one day and she out shot everyone on the team. In this photo she is holding my CAR-15, which has a braided sling made from a couple of medical cravats. The two sections of rod taped to the barrel is a cleaning rod in case of jammed cartridges. If a cartridge got jammed in the breach we would put the rod down the barrel and jam it against a rock or tree to free the cartridge.


Also notice the trigger guard partially removed and taped up and out of the way.  Recon guys were some crafty SOBs.





RT Idaho loading up at FOB 1 for a Prairie Fire mission, 1968.








RT Idaho socked-in somewhere in the DMZ; lots and LOTS of NVA moved around in the valley below.






October 5, 1968 - RT Alabama lead by SSG James Stride (One Zero), Steve Englke (One One), and Lynne Black (One Two), with six VN Indig team members fought a North Vietnamese Division of 10,000 NVA for eight hours. Stride, Cuong, and Hoa were killed along with twenty-one other Army, Air Force, Marine, and Vietnamese air support personnel. The NVA suffered over 8,000 killed.

Colonel Jack Warren the Commander of Command & Control North awarded me the Silver Star, Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry with Bronze Star, and a Purple Heart.

The History Channel did a one hour show as part of a series called Heroes Under Fire. The name of the show is Jungle Ambush.









General Stillwell inspects RT Idaho at FOB 1, 1968.









Riding strings out of Laos.






Coming out of Laos on rope-ladders.  That is an almost impossible climb up into the chopper when it's moving at full speed to escape the small arms fire that is being thrown at you.  Cold is right! You're hands were frozen and like clubs.






Heading back across the fence.
Link Posted: 1/10/2011 10:48:55 PM EST
Thanks for borrowing the pics, RT. Tell Mr. Black , Thanks.
Link Posted: 1/21/2011 12:26:24 PM EST
War remnants museum in Saigon



Link Posted: 1/21/2011 8:42:32 PM EST
For my 601st post, here is a 601...

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