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Posted: 8/27/2004 9:39:42 PM EST
Im ordering a krink kit as we speak but i need to decide on caliber cuz i cant only thing i can think of is which is lighter on the shoulder?????
Thanks alot,
Jeremy
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 9:45:17 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 9:49:09 PM EST
true thats what i was thinking. anytime i run out of ammo i could run to walmart or the sportin goods store and pick some up. i dont think anywhere around here has 545 except at gunshows =-/ which one does everyone else think has the least amount of recoil?
Thanks again,
Jeremy
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:24:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 4:59:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 6:59:00 AM EST by Pantera]
I found the 5.45 to has just a tiny bit less recoil than the 223. It reflects in the speed of the bullet travel.
I had the ak in 223 and always wondered about the 5.45. Then my friend Campy said try it. So I bought one and loved it. The huge bonus is what the bullet does. It is designed better and does more damage than the 223 ( edited to say " in my opinion") . I still feel indebted to Campy.
The availability issue? Just buy plenty of ammo and have a stock pile of it.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 5:10:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 5:20:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
I think the difference is truly negligible, very mild wither way, now by building it in .22LR, you may notice a difference.



Can't argue with the scientific end, I'll ride with "truly negligible". Compared to 7.62x39 both are a breeze. Compared to .308, all three of the aforementioned calibers are a breeze. I prefer the lighter calibers while at the same time being a recoil junkie. Don't know exactly what that says about me...
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 5:52:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By Pantera:
The huge bonus is what the bullet does. It is designed better and does more damage than the 223.



I don't necessarily think that is true. Take a look at these illustrations.





Link Posted: 8/28/2004 6:14:01 AM EST
The .22 shots look evil
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 6:55:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:

Originally Posted By Pantera:
The huge bonus is what the bullet does. It is designed better and does more damage than the 223.


A bunch of shit that occurs under perfect conditions.



Shoot them both out of a 16 inch barrel at 50-100-150-200 yards and see which one performs the same. Id especially like to see the report from M855.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 6:56:19 AM EST
That is true Bradd_d, but only if fired from a 20 inch barrel. It takes the full length of the barrel to get to the speed in order for the bullet to fragment. Try it in a 16 inch, mine did not fragment. Then try it in a krink. The 5.45 doesn't matter. Unless you use a sling shot.
Also I await the geneva convention people to step in, because no army is supposed to use a dirty bullet. They are supposed to stay intact, thats why the FMJ. No hollow points, or soft points allowed
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 6:59:31 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 7:02:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 7:07:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By Pantera:
That is true Bradd_d, but only if fired from a 20 inch barrel. It takes the full length of the barrel to get to the speed in order for the bullet to fragment. Try it in a 16 inch, mine did not fragment. Then try it in a krink. The 5.45 doesn't matter. Unless you use a sling shot.
Also I await the geneva convention people to step in, because no army is supposed to use a dirty bullet. They are supposed to stay intact, thats why the FMJ. No hollow points, or soft points allowed



What range did you shoot the 16" at and what ammo were you using? The 16" should fragment out to about 100 yds. That's when it drops below 2700 fps which is the magic number for reliable fragmentation in 5.56. There is also possible fragmentation down to 2500, but it's not near as reliable. After that, the bullet will just perform like any other fmj. Since, we don't have access to military 5.45, wouldn't commercial 5.45 just act like standard fmj? Does it fragment at all?
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 7:09:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 7:15:02 AM EST
That is one huge site! Wow. They show and say this

"Unfired Wolf and a Wolf FMBTJ round after a close encounter with ballistic gelatin at 2885 fps. The round was fired from a 16" barrel at a mere 16 feet and still did not exhibit substantial fragmentation."


That might be the problem. Sorry 223 guys hope I did not stir anything up. Its just my opinion.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 7:25:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 7:58:54 AM EST
If you cut open the bullet on the commercial 5.45 it has no lead in the front, kind of like the military, only they have steel.

I was using all wolf ammo. My final decision was when i had 2- 5 gallon buckets filled with about 3 1/2 gallons of water. I shot the 5.45 first and it blew the crud out of it. Not only did the back and bottom blow open but it launched about a foot in the air. Then I shot the 223 and it too did damage but not as much as the 5.45.

Again I am sorry if I got anyone mad at me. I realize that the military stuff probably is way better.
I was just going on my own personal experience.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 7:59:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 8:05:41 AM EST by CAMPYBOB]
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:02:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Pantera:
If you cut open the bullet on the commercial 5.45 it has no lead in the front, kind of like the military, only they have steel.

I was using all wolf ammo. My final decision was when i had 2- 5 gallon buckets filled with about 3 1/2 gallons of water. I shot the 5.45 first and it blew the crud out of it. Not only did the back and bottom blow open but it launched about a foot in the air. Then I shot the 223 and it too did damage but not as much as the 5.45.

Again I am sorry if I got anyone mad at me. I realize that the military stuff probably is way better.
I was just going on my own personal experience.



I do appreciate you sharing your experience. Right now my grab and go gun is an AR, but I'm putting together a nice little AK-74 and I'd like to know the capabilities of the 5.45.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:08:51 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:30:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:59:31 PM EST

5,56mm = Easier to find...
5,56mm = Cheaper to buy
5,56mm More choices FMJ, HP, SP, and various bullet weights along with ballistic tips.
Tracers, Incendiary


I just like the explosive property of the round.
At or above 2800 fps the rounds tend to fragment dramatically at the cannelure..

I have seen Woodchucks literally explode at 200 yrds with the 5,56mm SP


Link Posted: 8/29/2004 1:54:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By CopM4:


5,56mm = Cheaper to buy

I have seen Woodchucks literally explode at 200 yrds with the 5,56mm SP





Since when is 5.56 cheaper? Silver Bear off Aimsurplus is .13cents around compared to .11 cents around for 5.45. As for blowing up woodchucks .308 and 8mm do that just fine and at a far less cost (.05 a round for turk..wow).
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